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Posted: 12/18/2018 12:42:57 AM EDT
I can't tell for sure if the TCCC course/curriculum requires military service (from NAEMT), or the real differences in TCCC vs. TECC (curriculum is posted for TCCC, not for TECC, at least that I've found).
Suggestions? TCCC and NODS training are on the top of my list for 2019. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 12:18:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: King_Mud]
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TCCC is really for military personnel.
TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 9:49:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud:
TCCC is really for military personnel. TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. 
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Posted: 12/19/2018 11:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J:
Thanks for the feedback. My intent was to elevate my current training with a focus on GSW trauma care. I like to shoot, the family likes to shoot, and I try to take as much firearm training as I can squeeze in each year so the relevance seemed to be worthwhile. I also was hoping to add some SUT training at some point in the near future, and thought there would be useful over, but I will take your comments to heart. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
TCCC is really for military personnel. TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 1:18:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud:
LEFR-TCC, TECC, B-Con, and PHTLS would all be good if that is what you have available. I probably wouldn’t go TCCC because of the amount of information that’s likely not relevant to you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
TCCC is really for military personnel. TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. All NAEMT Instructors are eligible and encouraged to teach this course in their local communities. Instructors for BCon courses include current NAEMT instructors, PHTLS providers, Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC) or Tactical Emergency Casualty Care (TECC) instructors or providers, and BCon providers. 
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Posted: 12/19/2018 3:34:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: King_Mud]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J:
I looked at PHTLS, but couldn't tell from the description how much it overlaps with EMR. From the B-Con info, it seems like PHTLS would cover the entirety of the B-Con curriculum since it then qualifies you to teach B-Con, so PHTLS may be my best choice if I don't take a TECC/LEFR-TCC course. What I really need in the short term is something to qualify me to teach WFA per the BSA requirements, but fuck me if I can find the training or get the local BSA guy to talk to me about alternatives. Our troop has 165 boys and >50 volunteers that need regular training and they're having to pay to go outside the troop because I can't find a way to get certified to instruct. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
TCCC is really for military personnel. TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. All NAEMT Instructors are eligible and encouraged to teach this course in their local communities. Instructors for BCon courses include current NAEMT instructors, PHTLS providers, Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC) or Tactical Emergency Casualty Care (TECC) instructors or providers, and BCon providers. B-Con is basic bleeding control like TQs and wound packing. LEFR-TCC will be the same but have extra interventions like chest seals, basic airway adjuncts, and more. They’re much more narrowly focused and PHTLS won’t cover them adequately neither will they cover PHTLS. Get both. |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 7:03:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud:
PHTLS is a continuing education class that B-Con is basic bleeding control like TQs and wound packing. LEFR-TCC will be the same but have extra interventions like chest seals, basic airway adjuncts, and more. They’re much more narrowly focused and PHTLS won’t cover them adequately neither will they cover PHTLS. Get both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By King_Mud:
TCCC is really for military personnel. TECC is for medical personnel working with SWAT or SOT. LEFR-TCC is for non medical LE TCCC/TECC are really oriented towards working as part of a unit and there will be a lot of content that’s not relevant for you. LEFR-TCC is a good class that’s a lot more focused on immediate and simple interventions that can be used to stabilize a casualty until medical personnel can take over. The Bleeding Control course can be pretty great too depending on who teaches it. There will be open enrollment courses sometimes available for any of those but why take something when it’s not going to be relevant? While, for example, knowing the distinction between and interventions employed during Direct Threat Care, Indirect Threat Care, and the Evacuation phase might be helpful I think you could spend your time much more wisely. I did look for Bleeding Control classes, but couldn't find any in my area. I also checked Dark Angel and Lone Star Medic and neither had anything available in my AO in the forseeable future. Depending on the cost of some TCCC/TECC/LEFR-TCC training, I wouldn't mind if a decent portion wasn't immediately applicable if I get some CAPCE out of it. I'll keep reading and looking. All NAEMT Instructors are eligible and encouraged to teach this course in their local communities. Instructors for BCon courses include current NAEMT instructors, PHTLS providers, Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC) or Tactical Emergency Casualty Care (TECC) instructors or providers, and BCon providers. B-Con is basic bleeding control like TQs and wound packing. LEFR-TCC will be the same but have extra interventions like chest seals, basic airway adjuncts, and more. They’re much more narrowly focused and PHTLS won’t cover them adequately neither will they cover PHTLS. Get both. |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 10:29:51 AM EDT
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I just took a Med training class based on the principles of the Faster program. It was put on by Buckeye Firearms with instructors from TDI Ohio. It covered tourniquet use, wound packing, airway stability, treatment of sucking chest wounds, and improvised techniques for bleeding treatment. TDI is putting on a medical combative class this fall that is interesting. It’s a bit out of your AO but may be worth the trip.
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Posted: 3/10/2019 7:25:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: D_J]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drake:
I just took a Med training class based on the principles of the Faster program. It was put on by Buckeye Firearms with instructors from TDI Ohio. It covered tourniquet use, wound packing, airway stability, treatment of sucking chest wounds, and improvised techniques for bleeding treatment. TDI is putting on a medical combative class this fall that is interesting. It’s a bit out of your AO but may be worth the trip. @Drake |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 9:37:52 PM EDT
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@D_J
Yep, it is a similar curriculum to stop the bleed from what I understand. Except all of the stop the bleed courses I see around here are like 2hrs long. Here’s is a link to that class I referred to. TDI Ohio Medical Combatives Makes me wish I’d have stuck with my initial career choice. I really enjoyed it and it seems to have reignited my passion and makes me wish I’d stuck with my initial career choice. Too late to go back now.... |
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Posted: 3/10/2019 11:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drake:
@D_J Yep, it is a similar curriculum to stop the bleed from what I understand. Except all of the stop the bleed courses I see around here are like 2hrs long. Here’s is a link to that class I referred to. TDI Ohio Medical Combatives Makes me wish I’d have stuck with my initial career choice. I really enjoyed it and it seems to have reignited my passion and makes me wish I’d stuck with my initial career choice. Too late to go back now.... If it weren’t so far, I’d try to come up and train every few months. |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 10:25:22 AM EDT
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TCCC=Combat
TECC=Emergency I suppose there are some small, minute differences, but they are both based off the MARCH treatment plan. |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 1:37:09 PM EDT
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The fact that companies upcharge for "TCCC"/"TECC" is absurd. It's just MARCH-PAWS assessment with the caveat that if there is a threat you eliminate it before beginning treatment/ direct your patient to seek cover and apply TQ/shoot back if no MAR issues.
Find a company that teaches a solid MARCH assessment. Working under NODs seems like a waste of time for the average person. |
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