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Posted: 4/8/2023 8:17:00 PM EDT
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Something Ive noticed over the past few years is an increasing number of people that want to "drop the hammer" after shooting a drill. While I see it mainly on GunTube videos; I have seen a few guys also do it when completing drills in class. Once the course of fire is done, they drop their mag, unload, then press the trigger prior to reholstering. They arent to the point of doing this between every string of fire if we are shooting as a group; but on an individual basis it happens. To me, it is an un-needed step and a habit thats either carried over from them shooting matches or simply doing because they see other people doing it. Do you guys do this? And no; I'm talking about decocking a DA/SA gun. |
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IFFFFFfffYouAreFinishedShowMeClearSlideForwardHammerDownHolster!!!! it's from matches, as addressed above. I do it whenever the gun is leaving my control or I'm done doing hot work. Carry over from matches for years, plus it's a proven way to have a "safe" gun that's less annoying than walking around with it holstered with the slide locked back |
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| I understand it is done in IDPA/USPSA (having competed in both).......I'm talking about its use outside of a match. Since most guys are simply going through the steps and not paying attention to what they are dooing I view it as un-needed and increases the chance of an AD happening for 0 safety gain. When I ask guys why they do it I get "I do it in X match" or "I dont know" as a response. |
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In 2023, "hammer down" is pure retardation... Most pistols are striker fired and don't have a hammer... not that pulling the trigger was ever the best way to clear a firearm. Cold range is for beginner students. Once you are working with advanced students, hot range is the way to go. Anyone with familiarity with green troops working with loaded weapons for the first time in a combat zone knows that ND's happen all over the place... in part because of piss poor discipline learned on the cold range. |
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No. That's a cold range process. We've always run a hot range. There are instances where a complete unload is performed in preparation for teaching some subsequent, specific technique but it NEVER involved pressing the trigger. A tactile or visual chamber check will suffice. Constantly emphasizing a chamber check (when appropriate) is a confidence builder, especially for a novice shooter attending their first class who has likely never been around multiple people with loaded firearms. I personally know someone who shot IDPA regularly where that practice is S.O.P. and once on occasion after arriving home from running some errands, used that procedure prior to putting the handgun back into his gun vault and upon pressing the trigger, had an ND because he blindly "unloaded" and mindless, robotic manner, pressed the trigger after removing the magazine. The chamber check is your friend on both ends. By that I mean it ensures you never hear a click when you were expecting a bang, and you'll never press the trigger without ensuring the firearm is unloaded. |
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Originally Posted By TonyF: No. That's a cold range process. We've always run a hot range. There are instances where a complete unload is performed in preparation for teaching some subsequent, specific technique but it NEVER involved pressing the trigger. A tactile or visual chamber check will suffice. Constantly emphasizing a chamber check (when appropriate) is a confidence builder, especially for a novice shooter attending their first class who has likely never been around multiple people with loaded firearms. I personally know someone who shot IDPA regularly where that practice is S.O.P. and once on occasion after arriving home from running some errands, used that procedure prior to putting the handgun back into his gun vault and upon pressing the trigger, had an ND because he blindly "unloaded" and mindless, robotic manner, pressed the trigger after removing the magazine. The chamber check is your friend on both ends. By that I mean it ensures you never hear a click when you were expecting a bang, and you'll never press the trigger without ensuring the firearm is unloaded. 
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I need that what in the cinnamon toast crunch eff meme right here... OK I understand occasionally having and wanting to see students have a dry gun (end of drills, etc), but what's wrong with having them unload on line, lock the slide back w/ magazine out and show instructors and other students they are clear that way? Close the slide when done, no magazine in. It sounds like some crazy shittake that comes from matches or something? Akin to people drawing firing two (always two, never seems to be more) and immediately slamming the pistol back into the holster. Like they get a blue ribbon based on how fast they can RE-HOLSTER??? I guess those folks got some "Kennedy Killer" rounds that I don't and just KNOW that those two rounds 110% did the job and they can go back to their normal lives immediately without looking or having the gun in play for follow up shots or others? |
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