Posted: 7/18/2022 12:26:03 PM EDT
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I've recently been re-thinking what kind of training I should be taking. I've taken multiple rifle and pistol classes over the years. But realistically, they teach only a single solution to any kind of problem - i.e. how to survive and win a gunfight. There is no training on how to detect a problematic situation before it occurs, no training on how deescalate, no training how to escape, little to none training on mindset. So while they cover their topic well, they are necessarily limited. Then I started thinking about what kind of person has the skills I need to accumulate. A soldier? Some, but not all. Soldiers operate in groups, with a lot of support from a large organization. That's not me. A policemen? Not really - their primary task is to enforce the law, and again - support from large organization. The person most like me is a body guard, or in modern parlance 'executive protection specialist'. My primary goal is to protect my family, myself and my property - in that order. If I were to hire somebody to do that, that person would be called a body guard. So with that in mind, are there some good programs that teach executive protection? Security guard 'academies' are a dime a dozen, but probably not what we need. |
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Originally Posted By MarkHatfield: Southnarc (Craig Douglas/Shivworks) starts some of his classes with a four hour block called 'Managing Unknown Contacts. (Dealing with the person who is approaching you). That is a very good place to start. Shivworks is definitely on my list. To be honest, that’s the only training group that I am aware of that handlesthat kind of stuff in their curriculum. |
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We used to offer two levels of tactics classes that were primarily geared towards a (civilian) husband / wife, BF / GF, or anyone with a significant other. The level 2 class was FoF but the more important class was level 1. We encouraged students to enroll their spouse / S.O. (significant other) even if they did not normally carry a gun. The reaction of the unarmed S.O. and the dynamic they could potentially bring to the table is an important part of the equation. An unarmed S.O. knowing what to do and how to respond and support the armed S.O. is a critical part of success in such situations. The level 1 class involved very little shooting. There were allot of no-shoot scenarios w/blue guns and scenarios that could escalate into a shoot scenario based on the reaction of the student couple to the actions of the role players. There was allot of work involved because of the need for props and such as well as the need for numerous volunteer role players but it was also our most poorly attended class. The reason, IMNSHO, was that far too many students (men) were caught up in the "door kicker / trigger puller" frame of mind. Such a shame because of those who did enroll thought it was the best class they had ever attended. |
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PatMac espouses your idea. Check out his book and IG entries on being the Sentinel, the agent in charge of your own self protection. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079J4R8X1/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 |
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Originally Posted By feudist: PatMac espouses your idea. Check out his book and IG entries on being the Sentinel, the agent in charge of your own self protection. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079J4R8X1/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Hmm. Well, I guess it may be one of those cases where the medium matters less than the message. |
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To answer your question, no you don't need execution protection training unless you're going into that field. Being a prepared citizen(or whatever term you like) encompasses at lot more than simply firearms. The list is endless but I would focus on the most probable encounters first. 1. Physical fitness - goes without saying, if you're not fit you're gonna die. Taking classes is a waste if you're chubby 2. Medicine - everyone gets hurts. Seek out Stop the bleeds, wilderness first aid and some tactical/ifak courses 3. Combatives- basic striking and ground techniques. Learn to box and learn some BJJ. This ties into 1. Lots of competent instructors out there who are teaching MUC curriculum. It's humbling to say the least. |
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Originally Posted By TonyF: We used to offer two levels of tactics classes that were primarily geared towards a (civilian) husband / wife, BF / GF, or anyone with a significant other. The level 2 class was FoF but the more important class was level 1. We encouraged students to enroll their spouse / S.O. (significant other) even if they did not normally carry a gun. The reaction of the unarmed S.O. and the dynamic they could potentially bring to the table is an important part of the equation. An unarmed S.O. knowing what to do and how to respond and support the armed S.O. is a critical part of success in such situations. The level 1 class involved very little shooting. There were allot of no-shoot scenarios w/blue guns and scenarios that could escalate into a shoot scenario based on the reaction of the student couple to the actions of the role players. There was allot of work involved because of the need for props and such as well as the need for numerous volunteer role players but it was also our most poorly attended class. The reason, IMNSHO, was that far too many students (men) were caught up in the "door kicker / trigger puller" frame of mind. Such a shame because of those who did enroll thought it was the best class they had ever attended. Yep, for whatever reason too many people are afraid to pressure test themselves and their skills in Force-on-Force. They would rather compete at USPSA or some other competition than test actual fighting skills... But Force-on-Force is the best training. |
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Originally Posted By BlazerGuy: To answer your question, no you don't need execution protection training unless you're going into that field. Being a prepared citizen(or whatever term you like) encompasses at lot more than simply firearms. The list is endless but I would focus on the most probable encounters first. 1. Physical fitness - goes without saying, if you're not fit you're gonna die. Taking classes is a waste if you're chubby 2. Medicine - everyone gets hurts. Seek out Stop the bleeds, wilderness first aid and some tactical/ifak courses 3. Combatives- basic striking and ground techniques. Learn to box and learn some BJJ. This ties into 1. Lots of competent instructors out there who are teaching MUC curriculum. It's humbling to say the least. I have to disagree with you. Don't get me wrong, what you're describing are certainly very valuable skills. But they cover only part of what prepared citizen needs to know, ounce of prevention being worth pound of the cure and all that. |
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You want to know what EP is? It’s a lot of logistics and tedious advance work so that protectees always move from known to known, and it’s being aware of your surroundings. Yeah, there are concepts that can be transferred to daily life, but nobody is running day to day like an EP detail. Edit: Fitness, shooting, driving, medical, and combatives, are mostly helpful once SHTF. EP is about not getting into those situations to begin with. |
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Originally Posted By Krater: I have to disagree with you. Don't get me wrong, what you're describing are certainly very valuable skills. But they cover only part of what prepared citizen needs to know, ounce of prevention being worth pound of the cure and all that. Originally Posted By Krater: I have to disagree with you. Don't get me wrong, what you're describing are certainly very valuable skills. But they cover only part of what prepared citizen needs to know, ounce of prevention being worth pound of the cure and all that. As I said: The list is endless but I would focus on the most probable encounters first. |