Posted: 11/19/2022 3:16:11 PM EDT
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I don’t have enough training to carry a full IFAK on my belt. I’m thinking shears and a tourniquet in a High Speed Gear Bleeder/Blowout MOLLE Medical Pouch will be enough to go to the range and not be totally empty handed in an emergency. Or is this a waste of time and belt space? Should I wait for medical training and get a full IFAK kit (ie Blue Firce micro, etc)? Mission is just outdoor training, some competition, and some SHTF confidence. I’m in Nashville so I’ll be taking medical at The Armory. Just a matter of timing. |
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A doctor friend of me told me they drove upon a bad wreck one time with a number of victims in eastern Kentucky. The person in front of them was a nurse who had a supply of medical gear and they saved lives between the two. Even if you don't know how to use I would suggest a nice blue force alpha gear one, you won't regret it. |
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I'd wait. If you're buying, build a bleeder kit(TQ, packing gauze, compression wrap, chest seals, NPA). You can probably find an old mag pouch you have sitting somewhere and repurpose it for med gear until you get more training, then you'll have a better idea of what all you want on your kit, and how/where to put it. A full size IFAK is usually kinda big, most people find them best mounted to a vest/chest rig.  If you find yourself living in kit regularly, what a lot of guys find themselves doing is scaling their gear, so they have a bleeder kit on the belt, mount the rest on their armor; extra bandages, bulkier adjuncts, etc in a bag. Redundancy may be a privilege you don't need, but that way you'll always have something on you if you lose either of the 3. |
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Your IFAK isn't for you to use. It's for others (who are medically trained) to use ON YOU. Yes, you should have an IFAK. Yes, you should attend basic medical training. Yes, you should encourage others around you to also attend medical training. A ziplock bag of IFAK contents in a cargo pocket will work in a pinch, as longs as someone can find it in an emergency. |
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Originally Posted By Everythingisawesome: Your IFAK isn't for you to use. It's for others (who are medically trained) to use ON YOU. Yes, you should have an IFAK. Yes, you should attend basic medical training. Yes, you should encourage others around you to also attend medical training. A ziplock bag of IFAK contents in a cargo pocket will work in a pinch, as longs as someone can find it in an emergency. THIS |
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Primary medical equipment for severe trauma includes: Disposable Nitrile Gloves – 7 mil, non-black gloves preferred. Medical scissors/Trauma Shears Tourniquet – CAT (Combat Application Tourniquet) or SOF Tactical Tourniquet (SOFTT) Hemostatic agent – Combat Gauze or ChitoGauze CoFlex NL Bandage wrap – Kerlix gauze or similar Chest Seal -North American Rescue Hyfin Vent Chest Seal |
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Originally Posted By R_S: Primary medical equipment for severe trauma includes: Disposable Nitrile Gloves – 7 mil, non-black gloves preferred. Medical scissors/Trauma Shears Tourniquet – CAT (Combat Application Tourniquet) or SOF Tactical Tourniquet (SOFTT) Hemostatic agent – Combat Gauze or ChitoGauze CoFlex NL Bandage wrap – Kerlix gauze or similar Chest Seal -North American Rescue Hyfin Vent Chest Seal I know this is an old thread but I saw you’re still posting here. @R_S Why no black gloves? I just started learning more about medical and emergency first aid and never considered gloves color to be an issue. |
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So when you get further into training, there is an important phase of trauma care where you carefully examine the casualty for bleeding/blood. You don't want blood on your bare hands due to the possibility of bloodborne pathogens. So you want to wear gloves. You sweep the casualty with your hands, taking moments to check for blood on your hands. If you are wearing black gloves you can't readily tell blood from some other liquid. Medical world likes blue gloves. In uniform I would carry green disposable gloves. Here is a demo of a blood sweep. Demo isn't 100% correct as they are not wearing gloves.  TCCC: How to do a blood sweep |
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Originally Posted By R_S: So when you get further into training, there is an important phase of trauma care where you carefully examine the casualty for bleeding/blood. You don't want blood on your bare hands due to the possibility of bloodborne pathogens. So you want to wear gloves. You sweep the casualty with your hands, taking moments to check for blood on your hands. If you are wearing black gloves you can't readily tell blood from some other liquid. Medical world likes blue gloves. In uniform I would carry green disposable gloves. Here is a demo of a blood sweep. Demo isn't 100% correct as they are not wearing gloves.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xiwZ-XwOAsAh. Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. Looking forward to learning more. |
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This is what I keep on my belt at the moment - https://blueforcegear.com/micro-trauma-kit I've used this one before too - https://refugemedical.com/products/sob-small-of-the-back?variant=45292801982680  My belt with the refuge kit was stolen a few year ago though 
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| IFAK, individual first aid kit, that means it’s not for singing to use on you if you’re capable. I don’t know what branch you served with or unit, but the IFAK is for you to use and your silent be carrying one of you don’t know got to use it. Your IFAK is for your use, not to aid someone else. |
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Originally Posted By suasponte2: IFAK, individual first aid kit, that means it’s not for singing to use on you if you’re capable. I don’t know what branch you served with or unit, but the IFAK is for you to use and your silent be carrying one of you don’t know got to use it. Your IFAK is for your use, not to aid someone else. Unfortunately mine has been used numerous times over the years on other people. Depending on what event I am going to I’ll bring a larger bag with a lot more in it just because it’s been needed before. I’d rather have and not need than need and not have. Even if that means having to use it on someone else. |
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Originally Posted By suasponte2: Doing a sweep is the first thing you do to find entry and exit wounds or any other injury that needs to be addressed. It's not further on in training, it's one of the first things you do as a medic, individual, or EMT. Unless EMT and TCCC changed procedures. While I agree that the IFAK is supposed to be for yourself, the reality is that outside of the military it is more likely to be used on someone else. Rarely does anyone have an IFAK on themselves. |
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