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I would stay under mag length and find a load there so you don’t have to go through messing with it next year.
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I found my seating depth for my 110 Elite Precision.
Attached File Attached File Attached File 140g ELDm Hornady brass (3x fired) 41.5 H4350 F210 LRP 2.20 CBTO Avg. 2757 Hi 2778 Low 2738 Sd 8 ES 33 Group avg: .51MOA 38 shot sample. |
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Originally Posted By esa17: I found my seating depth for my 110 Elite Precision. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/83956193-540D-4A85-8642-E79FB730B2BF_jpe-1647760.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/D531532C-2E64-4209-8FE0-42A276069A11_jpe-1647761.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/40A05D5D-F770-46A1-AFB7-024DBACA9CAF_jpe-1647762.JPG 140g ELDm Hornady brass (3x fired) 41.5 H4350 F210 LRP 2.20 CBTO Avg. 2757 Hi 2778 Low 2738 Sd 8 ES 33 Group avg: .51MOA 38 shot sample. View Quote Nice. |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Originally Posted By esa17: I found my seating depth for my 110 Elite Precision. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/83956193-540D-4A85-8642-E79FB730B2BF_jpe-1647760.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/D531532C-2E64-4209-8FE0-42A276069A11_jpe-1647761.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/40A05D5D-F770-46A1-AFB7-024DBACA9CAF_jpe-1647762.JPG 140g ELDm Hornady brass (3x fired) 41.5 H4350 F210 LRP 2.20 CBTO Avg. 2757 Hi 2778 Low 2738 Sd 8 ES 33 Group avg: .51MOA 38 shot sample. Nice. Very! |
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10/22/14 I stand with Canada
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Any youtube or thorough guide for the forester ultra micrometer seating die? Found a view videos, but none in depth, just a quick overview.
Trying to get the hang of the stem and the dial. Not clicking well. |
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Nothing really to them. I use the whole body screwing into press to get near where I want to be then the dial to tune it in to the proper oal. Nothing more than that.
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Nothing really to them. I use the whole body screwing into press to get near where I want to be then the dial to tune it in to the proper oal. Nothing more than that. View Quote I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut. Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever. Is there a trick with the nut maybe? |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut. Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever. Is there a trick with the nut maybe? View Quote Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL. |
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Originally Posted By esa17: Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By esa17: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut. Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever. Is there a trick with the nut maybe? Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL. OK, how does proper length for a magazine and CBTO intertwine? |
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You should be using CBTO for your loading to know how far off the lands you are but you need to know OAL to tip for making sure they will fit in your mag.
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut. Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever. Is there a trick with the nut maybe? View Quote Is it screwed all the way in or out? There is a seater stem in it correct? |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Is it screwed all the way in or out? There is a seater stem in it correct? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut. Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever. Is there a trick with the nut maybe? Is it screwed all the way in or out? There is a seater stem in it correct? Yea, the seater stem with the nut around it to tighten. I get the length I want and tighten the nut down so the stem doesn't move, but when I adjust the microseater it doesn't do any adjustments. That's where I am a bit lost. |
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Nothing wrong with 5.5 SD.
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38790/Calculation-1651566.jpg I know to get a better accurate of ES / SD, you need more rounds. But as I just wanted to get a feeling on the pressure, I kept it to 3 rounds per group) Even though the ES/SD appears lower on the lower grain, I would prefer the faster FPS at 2700. View Quote And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too. |
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Originally Posted By Demphna2: I'm curious as to why you want something in the 2700 fps range compared to what looks like excellent results at 2650? And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Demphna2: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38790/Calculation-1651566.jpg I know to get a better accurate of ES / SD, you need more rounds. But as I just wanted to get a feeling on the pressure, I kept it to 3 rounds per group) Even though the ES/SD appears lower on the lower grain, I would prefer the faster FPS at 2700. And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too. Better velocity vs better ES? Not sure, what's the science behind it? |
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You need to test the accuracy also. Numbers don’t tell you everything. Low numbers are great but a mid teen ES and great accuracy beats single digit and moa sized groups.
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Originally Posted By Rob01: You need to test the accuracy also. Numbers don’t tell you everything. Low numbers are great but a mid teen ES and great accuracy beats single digit and moa sized groups. View Quote Sorry for the ignorance, but when you mean accuracy you mean group size, correct? |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Sorry for the ignorance, but when you mean accuracy you mean group size, correct? Yes. Maybe I misread or got the wrong info from SH. Some of the advice given was to find a happy FPS, and once you get a consistent powder weight to work on accuracy by seating depth. Was that incorrect? |
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Maybe I misread or got the wrong info from SH. Some of the advice given was to find a happy FPS, and once you get a consistent powder weight to work on accuracy by seating depth. Was that incorrect? View Quote Sometimes that works and sometimes depending on bullet seating depth won’t do anything. Some get hung up on chrono numbers and having to have it super low. It doesn’t have to be. Get the ES 20-25 or below and the SD in single digits and you will be fine. |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Sometimes that works and sometimes depending on bullet seating depth won’t do anything. Some get hung up on chrono numbers and having to have it super low. It doesn’t have to be. Get the ES 20-25 or below and the SD in single digits and you will be fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Maybe I misread or got the wrong info from SH. Some of the advice given was to find a happy FPS, and once you get a consistent powder weight to work on accuracy by seating depth. Was that incorrect? Sometimes that works and sometimes depending on bullet seating depth won’t do anything. Some get hung up on chrono numbers and having to have it super low. It doesn’t have to be. Get the ES 20-25 or below and the SD in single digits and you will be fine. OK, thanks. |
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Does anyone have a good starting point for the Hornady 147g ELDm projectile and H4350? I just found a pile of them and haven’t used them much.
ETA: 6.5 cm. |
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Originally Posted By esa17: Does anyone have a good starting point for the Hornady 147g ELDm projectile and H4350? I just found a pile of them and haven’t used them much. ETA: 6.5 cm. View Quote I would start around 40 and work up. Maybe 39 if using Lapua or brass other than Hornady. Max listed by Hodgdon is 41.8grns. |
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For those that use Lapua brass, what size brushing do you use?
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How's IMR 4451? I was able to locate a deal on this powder and wondering if it would be good for 130 smks?
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4451 will work great. It’s almost the same burn rate as H4350. Can use it from 120-147grns without issue.
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Does anyone have any good load data for the 6.5cm 130g ELDM? I’ve got RL16, StaBall 6.5 & H4350 available.
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Looking for some decent Superformance loads with 123 and 140 grain bullets.
I'm down to my last pound of H4350 but did come across some Superformance yesterday so I grabbed a few pounds. These days you take what you can get. |
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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Just starting to reload for my Ruger Precision in 6.5. I was hoping to use Federal 210's as they are bench rest rated but all I have are standard CCI's.
Is anyone using the standard CCI LRP's? 4350 powder and hornady 140 eld's. |
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She looks like she could do more tricks on a six inch dick than a monkey on a 50 foot rope
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Originally Posted By garbageman: Just starting to reload for my Ruger Precision in 6.5. I was hoping to use Federal 210's as they are bench rest rated but all I have are standard CCI's. Is anyone using the standard CCI LRP's? 4350 powder and hornady 140 eld's. View Quote Yes, I have used CCI LR primers with all three. They will work fine. |
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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As difficult as it's been finding components lately, maybe somebody will find this useful.
I know it's not considered an optimal 6.5 CM powder, but I've been using 35.8gr IMR 4064 in Hornady brass with 140gr ELD-M projectiles. 2650 FPS and it's sub-MOA at 600 yards. Tagging the 6" plate is easy. The 3" target is much more challenging, but still gets smacked around. I had 8 lbs of 4064 leftover from my .308 days and gave it a try...glad I did. I've shot about 400 rounds in various conditions (100 degrees down to about 38). So far, the load has been more accurate and more consistent than anything I've been able to get with H4350. Rifle is a home build: Lefty Rem SPS 700 receiver, AICS chassis, Timney Calvin Elite trigger and a 26" X-Caliber Benchmark 5R barrel. |
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How did this bullet shoot in your Bergara? Group size?
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Anyone have a load for Warner Tool 123gr projectiles in a T3X TAC A1?
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Nuke 'em 'til they glow and shoot 'em in the dark... -Unoffical USAF motto
- Screw artificial intelligence being the end of the human race, auto-correct will start a war long before that. |
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Av-vel 2665 ES 20 SD 8 I’ll bet if I dropped the rifle into a chassis and not a basic wood stock the groups would shrink. |
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Has anyone ever tried tried h335? There isn’t any load data for it, but it’s one powder I do have.
I have Nosler 6.5 Creedmoor brass and 143gr ELD-x bullets. |
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Originally Posted By Kleinman: Has anyone ever tried tried h335? There isn’t any load data for it, but it’s one powder I do have. I have Nosler 6.5 Creedmoor brass and 143gr ELD-x bullets. View Quote H335 is going to be too fast for the 6.5cm. The fastest powders I've seen used were about H4895 for light bullets. I wouldn't waste your 143s trying to make H335 work. |
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"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." George S. Patton
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Pretty mundane but here are my loads. The only interesting thing is the variance in charge weight needed for different case manufacturers to achieve similar velocities. Also I had to add 0.3gr powder to all my loads with my latest 24lbs powder.
Lapua brass 147gr ELD-M 41.6gr H4350 CCI BR4 2.81" ~2780fps from 26" Bartlein ~2685fps from 24" Tikka CTR Hornady brass 147gr ELD-M 41.8gr H4350 Federal 210M 2.81" ~2780fps from 26" Bartlein ~2685fps from 24" Tikka CTR Hornady brass 140gr Hdy BTHP 41.8gr H4350 Federal 210M ~2810fps from 26" Bartlein ~2710fps from 24" Tikka CTR Federal brass 143gr ELD-X 41.5gr H4350 Federal 210M 2.81" ~2700fps from 24" Tikka CTR |
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Honestly, that’s pretty nice. However I tend to see the same SD and ES with large rifle primers and Lapua brass.
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Nuke 'em 'til they glow and shoot 'em in the dark... -Unoffical USAF motto
- Screw artificial intelligence being the end of the human race, auto-correct will start a war long before that. |
Originally Posted By gbmaryland: Honestly, that’s pretty nice. However I tend to see the same SD and ES with large rifle primers and Lapua brass. View Quote Yeah. I'm not totally stoked with the ES. Gonna drop down to 41.3gr and work it up a little higher until I perfect that node. Another variable was I was using my backup equipment. Old gem pro 20 scale and a lee hand press and dies. |
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This may be a repeat of someone else’s but this one is shooting well.
Bartlien 22” #8 contour Hornady 140 eldm 40.9 H4350 CCI BR4 Lapua srp 1x neck turned 2.196 ogive length 2.80” oal SD 6 Avg speed 2,766 I have shot some .2’s with this but I am averaging right at .5” 5 shot groups over the last 100 rounds. |
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