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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:06:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MadcapMagician]
Post them here.

136gr Scenar-L
41.1gr H4350
CCI BR2
Hornady Brass
2.75" COAL

2610fps out of a 21" Bartlein.

They're short and a little slow, but give Benchrest rifle accuracy. They'll shoot sub quarter MOA at 100, hold sub half to 1000 and at least sub MOA at 1300yds.
Link Posted: 10/17/2014 10:15:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shotdown] [#1]
140 gr Hornady AMAX
41.5 gr Hodgdon H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady brass
2.187 OGIVE

2830 from a Rock Creek 26" barrel
*best group was about 1/2 MOA*

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140 gr Barnes Match Burners
41.6 Hodgdon H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady brass
2.187 OGIVE

2803 from a Benchmark 24" barrel.
*best group has been .249 MOA
Link Posted: 10/20/2014 9:00:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kurt04] [#2]
139gr Lapua Scenar
42gr Hodgdon H4350 
CCI BR2 
Hornady Brass 

2770 FPS out of a 24" 1:8 Brux with a Thunder Beast 30BA measured with a Magnetospeed V3
Link Posted: 2/16/2015 3:25:50 PM EDT
[#3]
another to sticky
Link Posted: 3/4/2015 12:29:39 AM EDT
[#4]
140 Berger VLD
Hornady brass
37.2 Varget
FGMM primer
2.80 COAL
No chrono, shoots a ragged hole at 100 yards.



Link Posted: 4/7/2015 3:43:51 PM EDT
[#5]
140 grain AMAX
Hornady brass
CCI BR2 primer
42.5 grains H4350
2.805 OAL
AVG 2811 fps in my 26" DTA
Link Posted: 4/8/2015 11:40:22 PM EDT
[#6]
This load consistently gives me sub-1/2 MOA groups out of my Bartlein 25" 1:8" barrel.

140gr Berger VLD Target
42.5gr RL-17
GM210M
.015” off lands
2871fps (avg.)
Link Posted: 4/18/2015 11:01:15 PM EDT
[#7]
142 SMK
42.2 H4350
Fed 210M
2870 out of a 28" Criterion  
1.1" vertical @ 500 yards
Link Posted: 5/22/2015 7:47:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Off the hornady box, sorta, but works very well.

120 Lapua scenar L
39.0 Varget
Wolf LR primer
2.755 coal

2860 fps avg. Armalite AR10, 23in bartlien 5R 1-8 twist.
Legitimate 1/2 moa for 5 shots.

Nearly identical results with 38.0 H4895. 2850 fps avg.
I have several more I will put up later. Some real good MR2000 loads as well.
Link Posted: 5/23/2015 8:57:18 PM EDT
[#9]
140 gr Amax
41.5 gr H4350
Cci 200
Hornady brass
2.811 O.A.L.
Link Posted: 5/27/2015 2:01:51 PM EDT
[#10]
140 Berger Hybrids
36.0 Varget
WinLR Primer
Hornady Brass
2.825 COAL

Good for 2660 through my 26 inch Mcgowan BBL over a Magnetospeed
Link Posted: 6/18/2015 7:52:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunut] [#11]
I found a wonderful load by accident last weekend.  Good for 1/3 MOA out of MY rifle

139 Scenars
Brass trimmed 1.910
WinLR Primer
43.5gn of H4831
ETA 2.825 COAL which is kissing the lands with this particular bullet
In my rifle with its fast bbl it chronos at 2792, but YMMV.  Factory 140 A-Max shoot 2850 through it although its advertised at 2700 on the box.
Link Posted: 8/13/2015 9:12:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Brosome] [#12]
Berger 140gr Hybrid loaded .2 off Jam.
H414 - 42gr
Hornady Brass
Federal GM210M primer
Barrel 26" Hawk Hill marksman contour
Average velocity: 2760fps

Some notes on the load I've noticed: its somewhat dirty, not awful or unbearable, but a bit more soot on the case necks and in the barrel. Accuracy was good, .5 from a 10 shot group at 100y off a bipod and concrete bench. SD was 20, obviously not the greatest but Im going to chalk some of that up to being newer to reloading and having some looser neck tensions from bullets I had to tap out a bit and seat to the right length, a little better loading on my part im sure would drop that down a lot.
Link Posted: 9/28/2015 2:06:57 PM EDT
[#13]
120/123 Amax?
Link Posted: 9/30/2015 1:12:04 PM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By mattf26:
120/123 Amax?
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39.0 Varget,
38.0 H4895
44.5 H4350

any of those will do nicely.
Link Posted: 1/18/2016 9:02:29 PM EDT
[#15]
142 SMK
41.0 H4350
CCI 200
.015 off lands
2725 fps out of a 27" benchmark
Shoots in the .3s
Link Posted: 3/17/2016 10:01:41 PM EDT
[#16]
IMR 4451 testing, I should have another node around 42.5. Ill shoot for that and double check the 40.5 with a 10 rd group next time.

Link Posted: 4/7/2016 8:47:27 AM EDT
[#17]
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Originally Posted By AK-Bandit:
This load consistently gives me sub-1/2 MOA groups out of my Bartlein 25" 1:8" barrel.

140gr Berger VLD Target
42.5gr RL-17
GM210M
.015” off lands
2871fps (avg.)
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That velocity looks great, better than H4350.  

I'm going to try RL-17 and 140's in my JP barreled AR10, since I can find it, but can't find H4350.  What was your starting load?
Link Posted: 4/8/2016 7:12:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bearcat24] [#18]
Just picked up some RL-17 since H4350 is not obtainable. Will be my 1st at reloading the 6.5cm. Been reloading mostly 308 with varget but have done 50BMG and 40 S&W. Don't see anyone posting superformance data. Not that good? Will be reloading the 140 ELD'd once I build up enough brass.I see varget is do able. Are you folks pushing max limits with varget? Varget is my preferred powder for 308.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 1:34:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alderleet] [#19]
I gave up on the Unobtanium H4350 powder, and tried the new IMR 4451 "enduron" powder

Absolutely solid performer. Less vertical dispersion, much cleaner burning, less copper fouling, and has a much more pleasant smell when burned than H4350

Ruger RPR 6.5 Creed
1x Fired Hornady brass, FL sized with Forster FL die, trimmed 1.917"
40.6gr IMR 4451
Hornady 140gr ELD-M
Seated 2.819"
Velocity: ~ 2660FPS

Grouped .3" with repeatability. Almost all horizontal dispersion from yours truely.

No pressure signs, no swiping, clean brass, not hard on primer pockets.


The sweet spot accuracy node for this load in this rifle was between 40.6gr and 41.5gr of 4451.
best groupings were at both ends of this charge 40.6 and 41.5 respectively.

Above 41.8gr, I began to see primer cratering and ejector swiping. Maxed at 42.7, and really didnt feel comfortable pulling the trigger on that loading.

MAX LISTED LOAD DATA FOR IMR4451, PUSHING A 140GR PILL, IS 41.1 GRAINS.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 3:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bearcat24] [#20]
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Originally Posted By Alderleet:
MAX LISTED LOAD DATA FOR IMR4451, PUSHING A 140GR PILL, IS 41.4 GRAINS.
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According to Hodgdon reload site, 4451 max charge is 41.1 gr.
I just looked at Alliant web site for RL-17 data on 6.5 creadmoor. 6.5 creedmoor is not listed. In the hornady book though.
I might have to get 1 lb of 4451. According to Hodgdon web site, 4451 is a touch better than h4350 just looking at the data.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 4:41:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alderleet] [#21]
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Originally Posted By Bearcat24:

According to Hodgdon reload site, 4451 max charge is 41.1 gr.
I just looked at Alliant web site for RL-17 data on 6.5 creadmoor. 6.5 creedmoor is not listed. In the hornady book though.
I might have to get 1 lb of 4451. According to Hodgdon web site, 4451 is a touch better than h4350 just looking at the data.
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Originally Posted By Bearcat24:
Originally Posted By Alderleet:
MAX LISTED LOAD DATA FOR IMR4451, PUSHING A 140GR PILL, IS 41.1 GRAINS.

According to Hodgdon reload site, 4451 max charge is 41.1 gr.
I just looked at Alliant web site for RL-17 data on 6.5 creadmoor. 6.5 creedmoor is not listed. In the hornady book though.
I might have to get 1 lb of 4451. According to Hodgdon web site, 4451 is a touch better than h4350 just looking at the data.



Oops, fumbled the numbers. Fixed my original post.
Link Posted: 5/20/2016 11:01:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Poop3rscoop3r] [#22]
I just about pulled the trigger on a bunch of IMR 4451 until I found Re-17 in stock again. It looks like IMR 4451, Re-17, and H4350 are all very similar, so it makes sense that IMR 4451 would be working well for you guys.





The load I have been using is:







Nosler Brass


Remington 9 1/2 primer


42.5gr Re-17


123 A-Max OAL 2.750" (.050" off on my gun)


123 Nosler CC OAL 2.695" (just to get enough of the bullet in the neck)







Both are shooting .5" - .75" groups for me. I haven't had the time to see if I can work up a better load yet, but it's on the to-do list.


 



Chronographed the 123 A-Max at 2940 out of a 24" 1-9" twist Lilja.
Link Posted: 7/23/2016 12:33:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Got out to the range monday with my 1st batch of reloads. 140 gr ELD-M with RL-17 and Superformance. Started at top left, top right, middle, bottom left, bottom right.
RL-17 (I like this powder)
41.2 gr, avg 2730.56 fps
41.4 gr, avg 2728.85 fps
41.4 gr, avg 2746.37 fps
41.8 gr, avg 2764.28 fps
42.0 gr, avg 2795.65 fps


Superformance (not impressed)
44.0 gr, avg 2672.28 fps
44.2 gr, avg 2707.10 fps
44.4 gr, avg 2726.34 fps
44.6 gr, avg 2743.85 fps
44.8 gr, avg 2752.69 fps
Link Posted: 7/27/2016 6:23:12 PM EDT
[#24]
Link Posted: 7/27/2016 8:34:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bearcat24] [#25]
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Looks like the 42grns is starting to come into a node. Any pressure there? If not I would go up some to 42.2 and 42.4grns. You loading them .020" off lands?
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No pressure signs. Might try a little more. Have it set at .010 off the lands. Have a new scope coming in to replace the SWFA SS 20X. Vortex HS-T 6-24X50. Will try with 42.0 gr with new scope to see if I can tighten it up.
Link Posted: 8/8/2016 10:40:42 AM EDT
[#26]
Got lucky and scored a 8 lb jug of H4350. Should have it in a week. Going out today to try a little more of RL-17 to see how far I can push it safely.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 10:05:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AZ_Sky] [#27]
I can't find any H4350 so I've been using RL17.

Working up loads for my new gen1 Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor with a Little Bastard gen2 brake, so far the best RL17 load I have is:

Hornady brass, uniformed primer pockets, outside neck turned to 0.013", case trimmed to 1.915"

Fed 210M primer

41.9 grains of RL17

Hornady 140 grain ELD-M bullet

Cartridge OAL 2.82"

200 yard target.



I'll keep working on it, but this is the best I have so far.
Link Posted: 11/3/2016 8:45:30 PM EDT
[#28]
I tried going up with RL-17 but started seeing case swipes at 42.4. Decided 42.0 is working good for me so will stay there. Got ahold of a few pounds of H4350 since my 8 lb deal fell through. Am already 1 grain above max according to Hornady manual and hodgdon web site. Groupings not great. Going to go higher but am a little hesitant due to pressure. But I see folks posting much higher that what I'm using with success. This last batch should tell the tale but so far RL-17 is working best for me out of my Savage 10T.
Link Posted: 11/7/2016 3:25:59 PM EDT
[#29]
OK, I've manage to tweak my Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor load from a couple of posts up.



I annealed my case necks to get a more consistent neck tension and I went to the Magpul AI magazine so I could seat my bullets out further.

The stock magazine would only let me load to a COAL of 2.820" (approximately .046" off the lands) with the AI magazine I loaded 50 rounds at a COAL of 2.846" (approximately .020" off the lands).

Between those two changes I don't think I'm going to get a load that shoots any better with the stock barrel.




Here's my 200 yard target from this morning (I went to shooting long range steel after I shot this one).









Link Posted: 11/7/2016 7:41:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Nice shooting. I always have 1 flyer out of 5 shots when doing load development. I put mine .010 off the lands for best results. Just loaded up another batch to try but don't think I will get through them all. Started at 42.0, then 42.2, 42.4, 42.6, and 42.8 gr of H4350. I didn't have any issues with 42.0 last time out. Just not tight enough for me. Hope to hit the range before the temp drops early next week.
Link Posted: 11/28/2016 2:10:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Since H4350 is so hard to find, I decided to try some other powders.

4831sc was on the list.

I'm shooting 140gr Nosler cc.

Started at 42gr and worked up to 45grs.

Found a great node in there, but was way too slow. 45gr was getting close. No pressure signs at all.

Will be trying out 45.5, 45.8 and 46.1 next weekend.

My shooting partner has been using it in his 260 with great results.
Link Posted: 1/7/2017 9:35:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Has anybody tried RE16 yet?

i got a pound of it and loaded some test loads but scheduling has kept me from the range..
just wondering if anyone has a range report yet being it's so new. 
Link Posted: 2/7/2017 7:08:14 AM EDT
[#33]
My loadings that are a small cluster (.389" groupings) at 107 yards.

Hornandy match brass FL sized
Trimmed to 1.910
CCI LRP
42.9gr of IMR 4451
Hornandy 143gr ELD-X projectile.
2770 fps out of a 24" 1/8 twist savage barrel.

Load is nice and warm. Please load up to this loading.
Link Posted: 2/9/2017 8:20:55 PM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Has anybody tried RE16 yet?

i got a pound of it and loaded some test loads but scheduling has kept me from the range..
just wondering if anyone has a range report yet being it's so new. 
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Was going to try it but decided to sell the creedmoor for a 338 LM for my load distance needs. RL-17 did a great job for me on my creedmoor though. Allot of questions whether its temp sensitive though. Alliance says not while others say yes. Actually RL-17 did better than H4350 with less powder used for the same POI @100 yards. Didn't get to finish my load development before selling the creedmoor though.
Link Posted: 2/9/2017 8:35:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: divermedic68] [#35]
Here's today's loadings.

Shot out of 24" savage sitting in a JP AMCS chassis and vortex viper 6.5-20

Nobler 140 RDF
IMR 4451 powder
Seated to 2.20 to ogive
CCI LRP
Hornandy 1X fired brass
Trim to 1.910

Will chronograph tomorrow and report back.

Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 2/25/2017 8:55:43 AM EDT
[#36]
Link Posted: 3/5/2017 10:40:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Finally finished all my OCW work and found my precious.

Hornady 140 gn A-MAX
Hornady (1x Fired)
Federal 210M
42.1 gn H4350

COAL: 2.855"
CBOG: 2.225"

0.025" off lands

Avg fps: 2743
SD: 9.7

Stock Ruger Precision Rifle 24" barrel (0.025" off lands).

0.412 MOA at 100 yards (5 shots).

Link Posted: 3/6/2017 12:56:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TyMann] [#38]
I've just begun reloading and was wondering if anyone has reloaded the 6.5 Creedmoor with Hornady 140 GR SST using IMR4350. If you've had any luck with it and how hot of a charge would you suggest?
Shooting a Howa 1500

Thank you in advance.
Link Posted: 3/9/2017 3:34:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DenverDave] [#39]
Berger Hybrid Target 140gr
IMR 4350 - 41.5gr
CCI 200 Primer / Hornady Brass
OAL: 2.8610 (AICS P-Mag max)
OGIVE: 2.1870
.053" off lands. (measured w/ Hornady OAL tool.)

Best Group= .3 moa, shot from prone, 26" heavy palma barrel on Sav 10 Action, bipod and rear bag.   Have not shot from bench or with full artificial support.
Link Posted: 3/9/2017 3:40:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DenverDave] [#40]
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Originally Posted By TyMann:
I've just begun reloading and was wondering if anyone has reloaded the 6.5 Creedmoor with Hornady 140 GR SST using IMR4350. If you've had any luck with it and how hot of a charge would you suggest?
Shooting a Howa 1500

Thank you in advance.
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Hornady manual max load for IMR 4350 w/ 140gr bullet is 41.5gr.  I have had good results with that charge weight.  I loaded up to 41.7gr w/o pressure signs but found the groups opening up.  My buddy however, using same powder and bullets has found his RPR likes a lighter charge, around 40gr.  Its going to differ from gun to gun.

FYI according to Hornady Manual 9th edition for 140gr and IMR 4350:
Minimum Charge= 38.2gr
Max Charge = 41.5gr
Link Posted: 3/11/2017 1:36:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Sierra 142gr match king
43.2 gr H4350
CCI #200
.015" of the lands
2829 fps

Shoots about .6 moa out of my savage model 10T. 
Link Posted: 3/12/2017 3:52:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: md7989] [#42]
143 ELD-X
41.8 gr H4350
CCI 200
Hornady Brass
2.214" to ogive (0.020" off)

2755 fps out of 26" 6.5 Creedmoor Criterion on a 42 degree day

0.3" 5 shot groups, and even shot a 3 shot group with all 3 in one hole
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 1:20:23 AM EDT
[#43]
140 Nosler RDF
42.4 H4350
2746 fps avg
SD 7.2
24" kreiger 1:8
Rem 700 trued action
2.183" to ogive
Link Posted: 4/29/2017 10:30:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Hornady 143 grain ELD-X
Hornady once fired brass, full length resized, primer pocket trued up.
35.9 grains of Varget
CCI BR2 primers
2.800" OACL

Groups under 1" at 100 yards, 2 of three shots in one hole out of a Bergara B 14 BMP
Link Posted: 4/30/2017 9:36:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: md7989] [#45]
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Originally Posted By Crazyhorse26:
Hornady 143 grain ELD-X
Hornady once fired brass, full length resized, primer pocket trued up.
35.9 grains of Varget
CCI BR2 primers
2.800" OACL

Groups under 1" at 100 yards, 2 of three shots in one hole out of a Bergara B 14 BMP
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I'd be interested in seeing just how slow you're pushing the 143 ELD-X with that powered charge. Hodgdon only predicts 2598 fps at a 36.3 gr charge of Varget (which they call "max load") using a 142 SMK.

My point being unless you're shooting inside 500 yards, you're not fast enough to be putting that 143 ELD-X's high BC to good use. Let us know what it chronographs at...

For reference, most of us are pushing the 143s at 2720-2770 fps in 24"-26" barrels using H4350
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 2:08:40 PM EDT
[#46]
I'll chronograph the load this week.  I just having fun with a new rifle and have a lot of varget... you know the rest!

Was looking for 4350, and it's no bueno around Western Washington.
Link Posted: 5/1/2017 4:47:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Link Posted: 5/2/2017 7:53:14 AM EDT
[#48]
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Originally Posted By Crazyhorse26:
I'll chronograph the load this week.  I just having fun with a new rifle and have a lot of varget... you know the rest!

Was looking for 4350, and it's no bueno around Western Washington.
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Roger that...as Rob said, try out some IMR 4451 as it's readily available it seems. Watch Midsouth Shooters Suppler, Powder Valley, and Reloading Unlimited online for H4350. They usually have it about once a week
Link Posted: 5/2/2017 11:54:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Crazyhorse26] [#49]
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Originally Posted By md7989:


I'd be interested in seeing just how slow you're pushing the 143 ELD-X with that powered charge. Hodgdon only predicts 2598 fps at a 36.3 gr charge of Varget (which they call "max load") using a 142 SMK.

My point being unless you're shooting inside 500 yards, you're not fast enough to be putting that 143 ELD-X's high BC to good use. Let us know what it chronographs at...

For reference, most of us are pushing the 143s at 2720-2770 fps in 24"-26" barrels using H4350
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I chronographed the load at 2585 FPS out of my rifle.  I also played around with the OACL and have a recipe that is delivering excellent results at 100 yards.

I shot 18 rounds with Reloader 17 (what I could find locally) starting from 39.6 grains up to 41.1 grains.  I found a node at 41.1 and 40.5 grains that I will make more rounds for and confirm accuracy and velocity this weekend.

Cronographed Prime 130 grain BTHPs out of my rifle at 2870 FPS, and had good accuracy results... I'm shooting steel on Saturday and plan on having a great time confirming the dope on my bullets and making nice ringing sounds!
Link Posted: 5/3/2017 7:59:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: md7989] [#50]
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Originally Posted By Crazyhorse26:


I chronographed the load at 2585 FPS out of my rifle.  I also played around with the OACL and have a recipe that is delivering excellent results at 100 yards.

I shot 18 rounds with Reloader 17 (what I could find locally) starting from 39.6 grains up to 41.1 grains.  I found a node at 41.1 and 40.5 grains that I will make more rounds for and confirm accuracy and velocity this weekend.

Cronographed Prime 130 grain BTHPs out of my rifle at 2870 FPS, and had good accuracy results... I'm shooting steel on Saturday and plan on having a great time confirming the dope on my bullets and making nice ringing sounds!
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Awesome, sounds like you're geared up for a nice weekend. That RL17 node at 41.1 will more than likely give you much better velocity than the 2585 fps. Not that you can't shoot distance with the 143 going 2585 fps, you're just not taking advantage of it's high BC as much at slower "308 like" velocities...more elevation and windage will be required

If you go with the RL17, try to continue taking velocity data across a wide spectrum of temperatures...it's known to be a good powder for 6.5 CM, but not nearly as temp stable as say H4350 or even Varget
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