I got my hat handed to me today (Page 2 of 2)
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Cool. Id love to get comfortable shooting that far on game. Theres just not ranges like that out here. 200 yards is a long shot. Yeah, that's for sure. Most NH deer hunting is under 50 yards because that's the max you can see in most woods. Most public and private ranges max out out at 2 or 3 hundred yards, if that. Depending on where you are in the state, there's a range in Littleton that goes out to some 1100 yards. Or if you're in SW NH, there's Granby , MA @03RN |
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trobertson5-0 I wasn't put in jail for what I did. I was put in it for what I think.
There were FBI agents posting in my threads. I've seen the discovery showing this.
trobertson5-0 I wasn't put in jail for what I did. I was put in it for what I think.
There were FBI agents posting in my threads. I've seen the discovery showing this.
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Originally Posted By armoredman: That's what I was curious about, have never been to a range where I had to shoot a qualifier before being allowed to use it, very different. Originally Posted By armoredman: Originally Posted By Daggertt: So wait, the only way to have access to shoot and practice wind calls on the 300+ range is to qualify as being already able to shoot and call wind at 300-700?  That's what I was curious about, have never been to a range where I had to shoot a qualifier before being allowed to use it, very different. Not at all unusual around here. I've done rifle quals at NETT and TDSA (total of 4 tests to shoot on the 400 yard range). In the old days of Appleseed in Temple area they used to make sure you were GTG before moving you up to the 400y KD range. Honestly I like shooting around a crowd that has their stuff figured out. |
per aspera ad astra
  I have been back twice now. I'm so glad it's open 7 days a week i'm going tomorrow. No one has been able to take off and go with me so i've been burning the barrel out of my brothers 308 while he's not around. Work is about to start back up I was having crazy thoughts about trying to go every day next week but that 4~5 hr travel time through Dallas ain't my idea of fun. The wind has not been kind either trip so I've been working the program trying to learn this evil wind. I'm still terrible at this wind reading thing...... but the most important thing is i have a place to work on it. The 4" gong at 560 has become one of my favorite targets. Something oddly satisfying about hitting that thing. |
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Originally Posted By acman145acp: I'm not sure who was more surprised when he called impact at 1275 him or me. He said he'd never seen anyone hit at 1275 with a 223. (it's not like it's a tiny target) I wish i had a chrono down there to see what it was i think my app says it would be 999 fps at that distance. Congrats! I've only shot to 600 (CMP matches) and didn't find it nearly as challenging as I thought it would be. A partial explanation comes in the form of the target used, the MR-1, ie: Medium Range lol .... . Though all my ammo was 77SMKs. I'm still searching for that great wind primer ...... Though here is something pretty great from a former AMU Coach (Army Marksmanship Unit): =================== "Although "chasing the spotter" may yield some decent scores (especially in relatively benign conditions), a new shooter should approach it differently. First of all, reading the wind is secondary to your ability to actually point the rifle in the 10-ring shot after shot. From your reduced-course scores and 500 yd performance, it sounds like you are on your way. The key to shooting well at the 600/1000 is having a no-wind zero that is accurate to within 1/2 minute. Our team (ARMY) will spend a great deal of time in training ironing out these no-wind zeroes. If you do not have access to the 600, shoot the 200 or 300 in the prone, slow-fire to get as close as you can. When I get to the line, I do a few things. -I look to see which way the wind is blowing. It sounds simplistic, but this will make you identify the "upwind" and "downwind" side of the range. The upwind flags are the most important. Check their location and visibility, for they will alert you to the changes that are impending. The downwind flags obviously indicate wind that is already past your location. They can be used for general direction, but be wary of the distance and location. A "downwind" flag could be as much as 2 minutes (real-time elapsed) behind a condition depending on the strength of the wind. The direction should then be quantified as a value: full, 1/2, 1/4. -I then check the wind's velocity. It is a good idea as an above poster said to use a wind meter in training your eye. Wind meters are good, but you should not be reliant on them. If you stay focused and practice diligently, it is scary how good you can get. I enjoy walking by a shooter at Camp Perry peering intently into his meter, and giving him my naked-eye estimate of the wind. I am usually within 1/2 to 1 MPH. I practice constantly; whether I'm driving down the road, in the back yard, or on the range. -Once you have the value and speed, a starting point for the correction is pretty easy to cipher. There are many charts and programs that can give you the data. My method is pretty "cavemanish". I memorize the correction needed at each yard line (200, 300, 600) for a full value 10MPH wind. For our ammo, they are 2MOA, 3MOA, and 5MOA (give or take a quarter). I then divide by the velocity and value needed. I can get to within 1/2 MOA for the first shot without a chart using this method. For example: 600 yards, the wind is blowing 8mph at 1/2 value. My number for the full, 10MPH wind is 5MOA. So, if this wind was full-value it would be worth 4MOA. At 1/2 value, the correction is 2MOA. Put it on the gun and shoot. You will be within the confines of the close 9, scratch 10. I guarantee it. Once you have your initial estimate of the prevailing condition, you need to find 2 flags downrange. Flag #1 is a near flag, preferably at the 500 (at Perry there is at least a 500 and 300 Yd. flag up). Flag #1 is your velocity flag. watch it for pick-ups and let-offs. Flag#2 is a down range flag that to your perspective is either blowing straight towards you or away from you. In all but a full-value wind this will tell you if the direction picks up or decreases in value. For example, in our 1/2 value, 8MPH wind, I find a flag at about 2 o'clock on the 300 yard line that from my view is blowing right at me. If the flag goes to the left hand side of the pole, the value is increasing; the flag on the right hand side of the pole (going more up-range), that is a decrease in value. Only then do I look at the mirage to see if it jives with the flags. After your first shot, you need to re-calibrate your eye and put a number on the flags and mirage as it relates to what the wind is really worth. In training, try to shoot slower. Take all the wind off your rifle each shot. By returning to no-wind each time you will strengthen your ability to estimate the wind and build your confidence. There is much more, a lifetime actually, but the above approach will make you a stronger shooter/coach in the long-run and not a spotter chaser." =================== - |
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Originally Posted By acman145acp: Balistic solver required im sure you can use a kestrel this dummy doesn’t own one.. My elevation was / is perfect just the wind. 3-700 yards must hit 66% ipsc 7 shots to do it in ,4 minute time limit I failed….. you are only allowed to confirm zero at 100 no wind call help from the spotter / anyone You shoot off double wtacked shipping containers. I called the wind at 14 it felt like 25 at times it was probably 10 judging my misses but it was gusty Even with my bad call i still hit at 3 and 4 but the way the targets are hung they rotate if you are off center so I couldn’t tell how bad my wind call was untill my first miss at 500 corrected hit at 5 6 i missed again didn’t correct enough so naturally i over corrected and watched it miss an inch downwind. Yea i know…. Houses start about 4k behind the range and i think they are in a constant legal battle. I would be making the 3hr round trip again today but the wind is worse to read today going from 10 steady to dead calm to 15 switching directions 45* No way i could read that perfect at 6-7. What sucks is i was so damn close wasnt like i was missing by 3’ in every direction. My come ups are spot on. San antonio a few weeks ago i went 5 for 5 on a 3” plate at 400 in the wind. The difference i shot an 8” pate first and was able to get a solid wind call / adjustment. I need to take a wind reading class idk if a kestrel would have even solved my problem yesterday since the wind wasn’t the same from the shooting position vs down range. Eta if im running the math correct my wind call has to be within 1.5 mph or im missing at 6-7 You think that is a difficult wind call situation, go shoot out to 500 with irons at MCBH Kaneohe Bay. Most difficult wind I ever encountered. It's like shooting into a fucking tornado. I missed Range High by 2 points in 1998. |