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9/23/2017 9:48:46 AM EDT
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this stupid question but it's the closest related forum I can find on Arfcom.
I was not in the military so my only experience with comms gear is movies and books.
How do Spec Ops guys have team communication after a wet insertion? Like in Act of Valor after the swim in to the South American compound.
Are their radios waterproof or sealed in something for the swim? Or is it just Hollywood crap and Op's stupid for buying it?
Thanks much guys, have a great weekend.
9/23/2017 2:02:16 PM EDT
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The radios themselves are waterproof and sealed well enough to be submerged under a small amount of water ( a meter or two) without damage.

The accessories (handset, microphone/earphone) sometimes aren't, and are wrapped and sealed to keep the water out if they aren't built to be waterproof.

It's also not uncommon to ghetto-seal non-waterproof equipment in plastic bags as well, and that's actually called out as standard procedure in the operating manuals.

There are also specialized waterproof cases for non-waterproof radios as well.

Here's some examples of older gear, some of which is still in use (especially the SINCGARS radios.)
9/23/2017 5:53:45 PM EDT
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Thank you, sir. I figured there was a "been there, done that" cat in this forum. Thank you for the information.
9/23/2017 7:36:47 PM EDT
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Thank you, sir. I figured there was a "been there, done that" cat in this forum. Thank you for the information.
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Just a radio geek. Never been there or done that, but I've owned some surplus mil equipment and read way too many manuals.
9/23/2017 9:58:10 PM EDT
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Big concern is the batteries. All the new batteries are liposuction so that's a big concern. Rain isn't to bad but I think they are only good for 1m of submersion
9/24/2017 7:49:06 AM EDT
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Battery type has nothing to do with immersion capability. It's all in how the radio is packaged.

The ubiquitous special op's body worn radio, the Thales MBITR, is available in a version that is depth rated to 20M. That's plenty deep as the rebreather type scuba gear they use doesn't go much past that anyway.
9/24/2017 10:18:54 AM EDT
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Thank ya"ll for the replies. I have thought about this question for years and you guys answered quickly. I appreciate it very much.
9/24/2017 11:30:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Battery type has nothing to do with immersion capability. It's all in how the radio is packaged.

The ubiquitous special op's body worn radio, the Thales MBITR, is available in a version that is depth rated to 20M. That's plenty deep as the rebreather type scuba gear they use doesn't go much past that anyway.
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There is also a version of the 152 that will do 20m submersion, however the most common one is only good to 2m. The battery absolutely has something to do with it. You never just have the battery that is in the radio. There are always extras not just for radios but things like special comms equipment, laser designators, and computers that get spread out between the team. Of course what do I know, I just RTFM.

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9/24/2017 11:39:15 AM EDT
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tech only
9/24/2017 11:49:21 AM EDT
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Comms.....  lol.basement dwellers.
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Great GD comment
9/24/2017 12:32:25 PM EDT
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As folks have mentioned, some smaller HT type radios have been built/rated for submersion, there are also some specialized diver radios, meant to be used on the surface that are fairly waterproof. Especially for rebreather ops you are probably only diving something like 5-10 meters beneath the surface. The much more generalized solution which has been used forever is called a "dry bag", which is just a waterproof bag/backpack with some air in it, and the fancy ones have a way of letting gas in/out so you can trim them for neutral buoyancy. Usually though they were a bit leaky, and you double wrapped anything you really cared about like radios/batteries/other electronics gear etc.
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9/24/2017 1:24:19 PM EDT
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Comms.....  lol.basement dwellers.
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Yep, can't wait to tell mom I need more Hot Pockets and Dew without yelling.
Seriously, thank you guys it blows my mind how knowledgeable some of our members are. You guys are great.
9/24/2017 9:28:41 PM EDT
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Great GD comment
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Originally Posted By PhulesAu:
Comms.....  lol.basement dwellers.
Great GD comment
Comms is such a stupid term that even people in the industry and not tier 1 ranger seals even use. /sarcasm

Nothing wrong with "comms" or "commo" go back to GD.
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9/24/2017 11:04:38 PM EDT
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