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Originally Posted By Ops: Unless you can find a Rem 760. There is no way anyone suggesting that actually hunts or has ever used one of those pieces of shit over 100 yards. They are junk. Ive taken hundreds in the shop over the years and sold as many. Folks who like them dont shoot game much past 50 yards and that's great for them. I would never square up at a whitetail past 150 yards with a rem 740, 7400, 7600, 760, any of that crap. It would be different if I were taking shots in the dark here, pun intended. However I've been the "sight my rifle in" guy for a long time. When someone hands me a Rem 740 variant or 760 variant I just hate it. Depending how you rest the rifle makes a big difference on zero. Barrels hear up so fast you can make dinner between 5 shots strings to try to find a respectable load. They are inconsistent feeders with a wide plethora of ammo, and prioritize only the most inefficient and 80s designs bullets. They can be pretty, but anything made in the last 30 years scratches badly when you look at it the wrong way. |
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Originally Posted By campower: There is no way anyone suggesting that actually hunts or has ever used one of those pieces of shit over 100 yards. They are junk. Ive taken hundreds in the shop over the years and sold as many. Folks who like them dont shoot game much past 50 yards and that's great for them. I would never square up at a whitetail past 150 yards with a rem 740, 7400, 7600, 760, any of that crap. It would be different if I were taking shots in the dark here, pun intended. However I've been the "sight my rifle in" guy for a long time. When someone hands me a Rem 740 variant or 760 variant I just hate it. Depending how you rest the rifle makes a big difference on zero. Barrels hear up so fast you can make dinner between 5 shots strings to try to find a respectable load. They are inconsistent feeders with a wide plethora of ammo, and prioritize only the most inefficient and 80s designs bullets. They can be pretty, but anything made in the last 30 years scratches badly when you look at it the wrong way. Where is your shop? What is the name of your outfit. I am always looking for a new gun shop to visit! |
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Originally Posted By gojoe: Where is your shop? What is the name of your outfit. I am always looking for a new gun shop to visit! The gun shop is Bob's Sport Shop, the guide service is Irish Ridge Guide service and retrieval. Both are in Fort Fairfield, about 45 min North of Houlton. If you PM I can give you address and numbers, but I dont want to turn this thread into a marketplace ad. |
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Originally Posted By GimmeLibertee: Seems like an odd choice for the task at hand. Sure it could work, but there are many other rifles that could work better. |
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Originally Posted By Homesteader375: I have to agree with this. It will work. Lots of guns will work. Having hunted the Maine woods most of my life I think there are other guns better suited to the task. The first, and most important consideration is what does the hunter shoot well. Well said, and I agree. Ive been able to snowshoe already and get a little rabbit hunting in! So even with a full size 21" Traditional FAL, these things carry like a dream. Attached File Attached File Trigger guard and my winter gloves dont love each other, but I do see DSA makes a winter trigger guard. Attached File Attached File Other than that the controls are great with gloves on. |
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Originally Posted By campower: . . . . When the gentleman with thr SFAR pulled up to take the insurance shot all he got was a click.. a twig had snagged on the charging handle and the rifle was OOB. Nope. First had experience keeps AR10s out of the pool of options. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/472175/IMG956334_jpg-3642121.JPG How would a twig on a charging handle of an AR cause it to fail to return to battery? Given all your criteria, consider a Keltec RFB or an IWI Tavor. If I hired a guide, and he handed me an FAL with a folding stock, I'd be pretty leery of what was going to happen next. Even if you're 100% right about the relative merits of FALs for hunting in heavy brush, think about client perceptions. Just get a Ruger American or Savage 110 for client guns. Mod the sling attachments to carry flat on the back, and put V-Tac or similar slings on them. |
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OP fail …. NE hunting is mostly short-range shooting in mostly wooded areas - thick timber and/or brushy/bushy terrain. Long-barreled heavy rifles are unnecessary to make 99.9% of the shots from a stand or blind in this environment since your shooting distance on game (typically deer) will be at most 100-yds and more likely inside 50-yds. So handy, short(er) barreled rifles are indicated. While others at our annual deer camp bring at least one lever-action carbine, the two I always take are: an iron-sighted 18.5” Remington model 600 in .350 Remington Magnum;  and a scoped 20” Rem. model 660, also in .350RM.  Both are zeroed for 100-yds with the same load. …… Which one I take out in the morning depends on what stand I’ll be hunting from, and if there’s precipitation (rain, snow) or if it’s clear. |
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: OP fail …. NE hunting is mostly short-range shooting in mostly wooded areas - thick timber and/or brushy/bushy terrain. Long-barreled heavy rifles are unnecessary to make 99.9% of the shots from a stand or blind in this environment since your shooting distance on game (typically deer) will be at most 100-yds and more likely inside 50-yds. So handy, short(er) barreled rifles are indicated. While others at our annual deer camp bring at least one lever-action carbine, the two I always take are: an iron-sighted 18.5” Remington model 600 in .350 Remington Magnum; https://i.imgur.com/Nq3tdCI.jpeg and a scoped 20” Rem. model 660, also in .350RM. https://i.imgur.com/GWIm4ec.jpeg Both are zeroed for 100-yds with the same load. …… Which one I take out in the morning depends on what stand I’ll be hunting from, and if there’s precipitation (rain, snow) or if it’s clear. Very beautiful rifles. My father loves the 6.5 rem mag, shot my first 200+lbs whitetail with a Rem 660 in 6.5 Mag at 200 yards. In Maine. Ive lived and hunted in Maine my whole life and 80% of my whitetail are 200+ yards. So not all Maine in thick timer and brush. In the far North East its huge open potato/clover/broccoli fields. 16" Fal is pretty darn handy. Probably weight a lbs or so more than your setups, but equally capable and versatile. |
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This is one of those situations where I'd ask OP why he thinks it is that nobody else uses these things in that application. I'm a fan of using whatever you want so I'd go for it. I sold a pile of Saigas to guys planning on using them for woods guns but I think price was the main driver of that. I was going to also suggest a Cross. I'd probably do a shorty 458 or 375 SOCOM before a FAL but again run what you want. Originally Posted By campower: There is no way anyone suggesting that actually hunts or has ever used one of those pieces of shit over 100 yards. They are junk. Ive taken hundreds in the shop over the years and sold as many. Folks who like them dont shoot game much past 50 yards and that's great for them. I would never square up at a whitetail past 150 yards with a rem 740, 7400, 7600, 760, any of that crap. It would be different if I were taking shots in the dark here, pun intended. However I've been the "sight my rifle in" guy for a long time. When someone hands me a Rem 740 variant or 760 variant I just hate it. Depending how you rest the rifle makes a big difference on zero. Barrels hear up so fast you can make dinner between 5 shots strings to try to find a respectable load. They are inconsistent feeders with a wide plethora of ammo, and prioritize only the most inefficient and 80s designs bullets. They can be pretty, but anything made in the last 30 years scratches badly when you look at it the wrong way. They are all pretty old so I'm sure you've seen some beat up examples but those guns spent half a century plus killing 10's of thousands of all sorts of game animals. Originally Posted By campower: Very beautiful rifles. My father loves the 6.5 rem mag, shot my first 200+lbs whitetail with a Rem 660 in 6.5 Mag at 200 yards. In Maine. Ive lived and hunted in Maine my whole life and 80% of my whitetail are 200+ yards. So not all Maine in thick timer and brush. In the far North East its huge open potato/clover/broccoli fields. 16" Fal is pretty darn handy. Probably weight a lbs or so more than your setups, but equally capable and versatile. Going off the weight on the DSA page base gun to base gun the FAL is 2.5-3 pounds more. |
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Originally Posted By campower: Yes, the weight is worth thinking about, but once stationary it doesn't matter. Nobody is hiking Mt.Katahdin with these rifles. I do need a folding stock. YOU dont need a folding stock. For 200 yard and in Black Bear & Whitetail hunting NOBODY except the worst weekend hunting shit shot needs the "pinnacle of accuracy". 2-3 MOA is far more than acceptable. Guys have been doing this for a century with slugs. To them a FAL is a laser beam. For suppressed use and 80 degrees of temp swing a year, there is absolutely nothing about an AR10 that's appealing. I've owned most of them, and still own a few. They are the most fickle designs in the semi-auto world right now save a few .22 pistols. The AR family sucks in the winter, period. The large amount of moving parts seize up quick in freezing temps. Mine usually run great after about 5 rounds, but getting there there is a high likelyhood of jams at around 0 degrees. In perfect scenarios you can get an AR running great in the winter, but if you go inside and back out (of a building or vehicle) that condensation freezes and I have had everything from a firing pin freeze to not being able to charge a round, let alone issues if you want to fire more than once. Plus all that aluminum sucks to hold in the cold. I have a winter AR for coyotes at my cabin, but it's got as much plastic on it as possible and I run it with Remoil as the only lube. Any bolt action rifle is going to be much more reliable and comfortable when the temps get around 0°. |
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Almost all of the well known northeast deer hunters use Remington 760s/7600s. I hunt northern Wisconsin with a 7600 in 30/06. Shoots 220gr rd noses ridiculously well. And they carry through a deer at pretty much any angle. I’ve also owned 2 DSA fals. 7600 with a 1.5-5 Leopold is lighter than a slick FAL. You couldn’t make me carry one of those tracking Deer. This is a silly thread. |
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Originally Posted By Macchina: The AR family sucks in the winter, period. The large amount of moving parts seize up quick in freezing temps. Mine usually run great after about 5 rounds, but getting there there is a high likelyhood of jams at around 0 degrees. In perfect scenarios you can get an AR running great in the winter, but if you go inside and back out (of a building or vehicle) that condensation freezes and I have had everything from a firing pin freeze to not being able to charge a round, let alone issues if you want to fire more than once. Plus all that aluminum sucks to hold in the cold. I have a winter AR for coyotes at my cabin, but it's got as much plastic on it as possible and I run it with Remoil as the only lube. Any bolt action rifle is going to be much more reliable and comfortable when the temps get around 0°. Originally Posted By Macchina: Originally Posted By campower: Yes, the weight is worth thinking about, but once stationary it doesn't matter. Nobody is hiking Mt.Katahdin with these rifles. I do need a folding stock. YOU dont need a folding stock. For 200 yard and in Black Bear & Whitetail hunting NOBODY except the worst weekend hunting shit shot needs the "pinnacle of accuracy". 2-3 MOA is far more than acceptable. Guys have been doing this for a century with slugs. To them a FAL is a laser beam. For suppressed use and 80 degrees of temp swing a year, there is absolutely nothing about an AR10 that's appealing. I've owned most of them, and still own a few. They are the most fickle designs in the semi-auto world right now save a few .22 pistols. The AR family sucks in the winter, period. The large amount of moving parts seize up quick in freezing temps. Mine usually run great after about 5 rounds, but getting there there is a high likelyhood of jams at around 0 degrees. In perfect scenarios you can get an AR running great in the winter, but if you go inside and back out (of a building or vehicle) that condensation freezes and I have had everything from a firing pin freeze to not being able to charge a round, let alone issues if you want to fire more than once. Plus all that aluminum sucks to hold in the cold. I have a winter AR for coyotes at my cabin, but it's got as much plastic on it as possible and I run it with Remoil as the only lube. Any bolt action rifle is going to be much more reliable and comfortable when the temps get around 0°. I disagree. Anything you'd do to a bolt gun you will do to an AR to keep it reliable. |
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Originally Posted By Wiscat: Almost all of the well known northeast deer hunters use Remington 760s/7600s. I hunt northern Wisconsin with a 7600 in 30/06. Shoots 220gr rd noses ridiculously well. And they carry through a deer at pretty much any angle. I’ve also owned 2 DSA fals. 7600 with a 1.5-5 Leopold is lighter than a slick FAL. You couldn’t make me carry one of those tracking Deer. This is a silly thread. I loathe both the 740/7600 and 760/7600. Ive had to sight in countless models of both, and dread both equally. If I never hold another or another Savage Axis again it would please me. |
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Originally Posted By campower: I loathe both the 740/7600 and 760/7600. Ive had to sight in countless models of both, and dread both equally. If I never hold another or another Savage Axis again it would please me. Originally Posted By campower: Originally Posted By Wiscat: Almost all of the well known northeast deer hunters use Remington 760s/7600s. I hunt northern Wisconsin with a 7600 in 30/06. Shoots 220gr rd noses ridiculously well. And they carry through a deer at pretty much any angle. I’ve also owned 2 DSA fals. 7600 with a 1.5-5 Leopold is lighter than a slick FAL. You couldn’t make me carry one of those tracking Deer. This is a silly thread. I loathe both the 740/7600 and 760/7600. Ive had to sight in countless models of both, and dread both equally. If I never hold another or another Savage Axis again it would please me. Whats your issue with the 760/7600? |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Whats your issue with the 760/7600? They are rattle-traps. Optic mounting weak at best. They feed quirky and after 3 shots the thin barrel is so hot you cant touch it and need to wait 20 min for it to cool down before one can even attempt to sight in again. Wildly different POI with different ammunitions/grain weights. (I know any difference can make a change to POI, but these things go from bull-eye with a 150gr sp to 18" high and right with a 165gr. This is just me, but there is no scenerio that id feel confident with a 760, that I wouldnt be more confident/competent with a 870 and slugs tbh. My experience is strictly working on/sighting in/target shooting with the 760. The same disdain some of the members here have shared in regards to carrying a FAL in the woods I reserve X100 for anything rem 740/760. 870s and 700s/660s are some of my favorites though, so its not a Rem thing. |
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Originally Posted By campower: They are rattle-traps. Optic mounting weak at best. They feed quirky and after 3 shots the thin barrel is so hot you cant touch it and need to wait 20 min for it to cool down before one can even attempt to sight in again. Wildly different POI with different ammunitions/grain weights. (I know any difference can make a change to POI, but these things go from bull-eye with a 150gr sp to 18" high and right with a 165gr. This is just me, but there is no scenerio that id feel confident with a 760, that I wouldnt be more confident/competent with a 870 and slugs tbh. My experience is strictly working on/sighting in/target shooting with the 760. The same disdain some of the members here have shared in regards to carrying a FAL in the woods I reserve X100 for anything rem 740/760. 870s and 700s/660s are some of my favorites though, so its not a Rem thing. -The forend rattle is because people don't tighten the forend screw. It's not like an 870 with an internal castle nut. -Optic mounting is literally the same as any bolt of lever gun. -The front of the magazine needs to maintain the proper lip. It's simple once you understand it. - It's a sporter weight barrel that heat and cooling claim is nonsense. |
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Originally Posted By Wiscat: -The forend rattle is because people don't tighten the forend screw. It's not like an 870 with an internal castle nut. -Optic mounting is literally the same as any bolt of lever gun. -The front of the magazine needs to maintain the proper lip. It's simple once you understand it. - It's a sporter weight barrel that heat and cooling claim is nonsense. Sounds like you know your way around one, and really like the 760, and that's cool as hell. 99% of the guys who own them however, dont. And after 15 years of sighting in and troubleshooting neglected examples, my bias truly took over, and I won't hide it. Agree, its a sporter weight barrel. That doesnt mean someone cant have a lightweight hunting rifle that's only good for 3 rounds before the POI is Jacked. Maybe to the purest hunter that doesnt matter. I like to shoot often. FWIW I hate the model 94 as well... so take this with that in mind. 
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