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I heard the very latest quick-clot is supposed to be much better than the older stuff. Do you still stand by your statement that it is useless for people to use? They say, just pack the wound with quick clot, miracle cure. I don't know. They are trying to sell it to you, as well. |
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I think Ragnar said it stops scary bleeding, but not life threatening bleeding? My limited medical knowledge says this: Apply pressure. If that doesn't work, apply a tourniquet. At least, that is what the military taught me. Maybe that's not quite right. To that end, I will probably carry at least 1 "pressure dressing" in my FA kit. It's funny how a lot of first aid kits have bandaids and triple antibiotic ointment, but nothing that would actually save your life if you needed it. |
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clotting agents have some good studies showing there products working very well stopping life threatening bleeding. They also have some studies that were not published as they showed them not working with a hole of a different size. My knowledge and experience tells me to pack the wound. I don't need quiclclot in a tourniquet situation. If I need to pack a wound could quick-clot also be used? Would it help? Probably and probably. life threatening: tourniquets, packing, clamping. non-life threatening: bandages and pressure dressings. airways: surgical airway and nasal airways. chest management: needle decompression and pocket knife decompression. That about covers it. When I get the info there is going to be a real Combat Casualty Care course taught out here in the Northwest this October. It will cover everything currently taught, learned and proven during GWOT. 45-50 hours, five days. |
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wow, went up in price since I bought it. I don't know if it is worth that much. |
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For your power requirements, I'm trying a Bendix King AA Clam shell and an cigarette lighter adapter. Only drawback is that is uses 9 batteries so it's heavy. I'm using this to setup for battery maintenance on radios for extended SAR calls. BK Clamshell: www.vincentcom.com/ECA-295-Charging-Adapter-P1063C30.aspx Adapter: www.vincentcom.com/ECA-295-Charging-Adapter-P1063C30.aspx |
I am re-reading this book. A lot better than I first thought. When I first read it I looked at it mostly from what I had done already exploring unoccupied buildings and didn't see much I didn't know already, but re-reading the parts on exploring occupied structures I see the book is a lot better than I thought. Also I had already learned a bunch of lessons the hard way whereas a new person might get lucky and learn it from reading it (like checking the far side door knob before letting a door close behind you.) |
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| Use this for food,www.majorsurplus.com/Emergency-Survival-Food-Tabs-P14370C1976.aspx |
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Changes, additions, amplifications First in response to the people who only look at pictures, as I have said I do carry food, just not enough to cross the continent. I have been carrying about 2000cals in my carry-on bags in snacks and an additional 2-3000 cals in my checked bags. Lately a friend has been getting me into dehydrating so I have made some meal packs. I’ve been keeping a 2lb one in the bottom of my GHB and it has three days of food (breakfast lunch, dinner at 1500 cals a day) so now in addition to the snacks I have actual meals. I could do 5 days in comfort with what is in my carry-on bag and I put a 5lb 7 day meal pack in my checked bag. I would still try to hit a store immediately in a crisis and get olive oil and canned meat. I also will be adding on good sized rat trap which should produce a minimum of one squirrel a day in either urban or rural environments. I also ditched the camelbacks (I hate them in general) and went back to nalgene bottles. I added a 4L platypus bladder which works as a dry bag for clothes and a 6L MSR dromlite bladder which of course can hold water but I also added both bladders as they will provide enough buoyancy to float my pack. I also added a MSR miniworks filter, just felt I need to be able to make as clean of water as possible. Once again NOLA changed my mind about a few things it just took me a while to figure out a complete system to execute it. Of course MSR came out with the hyperflow the next month, 9oz lighter! I have waterproofed all little items in good zip locks so my gear is always ready to swim, something I finally got around to doing after I told myself to do it the first day I got to NOLA and realized my gear was going to be soaked with shit before I would have time to store it correctly. Went to the rain forest this weekend so it motivated me to do what I was going to do 3 years ago! Added a SAR chest rig to my checked bag, this is new concealment rig for my pistol if because of clothing or pack my IWB won’t work. Holds a G19 and X mag perfect, need to hot glue a plastic glock holster into it. I need a patch that says “rescue” on it to put on the front. If anyone knows of where to get any let me know. Been playing with a hammock. In really wet weather I like it but I need to figure out the insulative pad thing, as they are colder than being on the ground. I also probably need a bigger tarp which means I’ll have to give up the poncho ability (I don’t like ponchos but it was part of my CBRNE kit to keep nasty falling stuff off of me) I’d like to try a double layer parachute nylon hammock and put an emergency blanket in it and see if that works, also thinking about one with a built in bug net. Added more fire making stuff, a boy scout flint and steel in each bag and some Vaseline cotton balls in an innertube in each bag. Added an innertube wrapped lighter to each bag, jacket, chest rig, etc. guess the place win a prize!  just some of my carryon snacks, no reason for a picture except it is ar15.com  dehydrated food  bladders  new carryon bag  chest rig  hammock   training a new operative   why we try to get home 
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I just got back from a course a matter of weeks ago that was put on by some of the most senior/applied Army and SOCOM medical folks - I believe some of that cadre may be the same you know and will see in October. Based on lessons learned in the GWOT, and numerous meta-studies, QuicK Clot is marginally improved - bottom line, never ever use the junk. Your rubric above is spot on, and current protocol, again based on lessons learned, is less reliance on fluids, axing clotting agents (at least quick clot), and encouraging the use of tourniquets. However, these applications, in a SOCOM or tactical context, are also based on greater access to higher echelons of care and greater evacuation priorities. That said, in the backcountry, or instances where advanced care is unavailable, the same practices may be a care-giver's best bet for treatment. ETA: Great pics by the way - that last one is awesome. I was thinking North Oregon coast at first, but not sure about those rocks. |
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Ah! Interesting course! I was thinking of a different course, with different cadre in that case, but I imagine the lessons learned are similar... Thanks. |
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More goats More pictures of the first one:   Another on the trail a few hours later. He really wanted to keep eating off of the rock but was scared of us. We just kept moving a little closer, talking nice and then we would face away for a while and not look at him and he'd come back. Kept him about 15' away most of the time.      
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Most of this is not survival related but lightweight backpacking related. Some cross-over of course. Well this trip was supposed to be a fun trip into beautiful country; it turned into a bit of a mission. Weather was supposed to be in the 50s at night, with a little rain on day 2. Turned out the temp was about 40 maybe lower (35ish), and the winds were at 20-60mph from midnight the first night until 3pm the next day. Temps stayed 10-15 below predicted. Day 1 started at about 2pm with a pretty easy 5 miles in with 2000ft elevation gain. Camped on the North side of the lake (bad choice as we found out later) the area is a protected wilderness zone so no fires and no breaking brush, using pine bows for bedding, etc. For dinner we had a beef and rice dehydrated meal (home made) that had been rehydrating in my new guyot designs stainless nalgene bottle for 6 hours. We heated it directly on the alcohol stove and poured it into our titanium cups, tasted great. I set up my hammock and sil poncho shelter. That night the wind came up the valley across the lake and hit us at a pretty sustained 60mph (from reports the next day) and rain. We had jungle bags, ½ length therma rests, hats and jackets. It was damn cold. My buddy was on the ground and fared a little better than me with his shelter. He didn’t have a puffy jacket but had wool long underwear bottoms so we came out about the same as far as clothing but being on the ground worked out better for him. The next morning (day 2) we started late as we were trying to make up for some of the sleep we lost while freezing. A mouse got under my pack cover and ate a hole to my peanuts and he scored a good bunch of them. The funny thing is I knew it was happening as he was rubbing against me under my hammock but with the wind I just convinced myself there was no way it was a critter and it must have just been the wind. Oh well 32 years ago it happened to me on my first backpacking trip! So we ate oatmeal and powdered eggs and took off. The next .9 miles and 2200 ft took 3 ½ hours! A long, cold haul straight up. By the time we got to the top the wind was REALLY moving and we were traveling heads down and fully buttoned up. Over the top of the pass we found a good hole and crawled in with our sleep pads and cooked lunch. Talked to a few passing people going the other way, most of which looked pretty frazzled from the day (they came from miles of unprotected-from-wind territory) Saw a party of real idiots in sweatsuits who reached their limit and turned back, good for them as they never would have made the next protected area. The next 3 miles took about 5 hours and is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Visibility was ok and it only rained a little, winds stayed in the 20-30 mph range. Not perfect for sightseeing but still incredible. Saw a couple day hikers coming from the other end. One advantage of the weather is most people packed it in, so we had most of the day to ourselves. Ran into a few well prepared people who’s spirits were high even with the weather. The trip was incredible, 20+ glacier carved lakes, lots of individual valleys with their own character, elevation changes and a backdrop that cannot be appreciated from just the pictures. My partner has some medical issues which of course came to a head during the day. Made for a very painful day for him, but there was nothing to do but keep walking as the weather and terrain allowed no time-outs. (at the new altitude the temp was just above freezing, probably 35-37ish, then add wind, and spending the night would have been hell, as it was predicted the wind would be back up to 60 with rain. We could have done it if required but it would have been no fun. Getting down 2000ft or more was a better idea. Finally got to a good campsite that was within striking distance of the end of the trail for the next days trek at about 8pm, I set up camp for both of us, I set up both of our ponchos asym-style for both of us with the point facing north (the mouth of this new valley also) got some trees between us and the lake and large rocks on our flanks. Once again based on it being a protected wilderness area we were trying to not break brush and find a perfect hole like we would if we were really worried about the weather. I then cooked some more dehydrated food and we slept a pretty good night. Still need about 10 degrees more shelter/clothing to be comfortable (we wore everything we had). Had it been colder I would have used all my fuel to heat water to put in our nalgene bottles and sleep with; but it wasn’t too bad so I saved it to cook with the next day. Day 3, stared with coffee/mocha and oatmeal made while still in the sack (I love it when I remember to get everything ready for that!) Next was the long walk out, about 7 miles, it took about 5 hours. It was generally downhill and more and more wooded as we went along, mostly along a beautiful river. Had lunch and finished the last couple miles. Then we hitchhiked about 8 miles back my truck. Took about 15 minutes to get the first ride to the turn off we were up; and another 10 minutes to get a ride to the end of the road where the trailhead parking lot was. For water we tried my new filter but it really sucked, I will try to figure out what is wrong with it but after a few bottles it barely was moving water. The water was crystal clear so we just used tablets. We let the tablets have 60-90 minutes instead of 30 as the water was cold. Added 1/3 pack cytomax and didn’t notice the taste. One weird thing, the purified water reacts to titanium and turns dark blue! We always had one liter to drink per man and one liter per man purifying. For food we ate some mountain house but mostly tried my dehydrated food. I put the dehydrated mix in the stainless nalgene and let it rehydrate while walking. Then we cooked the food in the nalgene over the alcohol stove. With e stove I got 99% alcohol instead of the 70% I normally got. It flamed high enough I was worried I’d melt the top on the stainless bottle so I mixed dirt with the fuel and made a gelled fuel that burned slower. That also maximized the fuel use as it wasn’t wasted in wild flames. I cooked a little with esbit when I didn’t want to get the stove and fuel out but it took a lot longer to get the bottle of water/food hot. I am going to order a stubby guyot bottle as it is the perfect size for a single meal and I can still carry water in the big nalgene. I also may be able to eat out of the stubby holding it with nomex gloves. That will allow me to heat the big bottle of water while I eat from the little one. The big bottle will then make a large drink in my T-cup and have a stubby bottles worth of hot water left to add to the next dehydrated meal. The next dehydrated meal will then be setting in hot water and will be more rehydrate faster. The meals were mostly rehydrated fine but would have been even better if they had more time with heated water. I really like the stainless bottle for heating water or cooking in, even with the added weight. There is no way to spill your precious hot water or food and with the lid barely cracked you get a better efficiency with your fuel. I bought a waterproof ruck cover at REI before the trip. I think I like it. I bought it big so if I had gear strapped to the ruck, it would cover it. I hope to take it down to the lake in the next couple weeks and “poncho-raft” it and see if I can swim my fully loaded ruck in it. I tend to put my clothes I am adding and subtracting (A wool shirt and my rain jacket) under the ruck flap but not in the ruck. Well I paid the price for being lazy and at some time the buckle came loose and I lost the shirt. It would have really sucked to lose the jacket (price and comfort, I did have a poncho and trash bag so I would have been fine) new rule everything is always fully secured. Also keep everything packed and waterproofed at all times and repack as soon as done with items. My clothes were: Asolo GTX95 boot with superfeet insoles (I just replaced my old pair and these ones had only been worn for 5 days before the trip. I could have broke them in for another week or two, but it worked out fine. Feet were pretty sore but in fine shape overall) Icebreaker and smartwool socks (three pair, one never used. I put the wet ones in my puffy jacket pockets overnight and during the day, and by night they are ready to be my new dry socks.) REI nylon blend convertible pants with cargo pockets (should have checked, they had some cotton in them) Underarmor t-shirt and boxer briefs Icebreaker long sleeve wool shirt Smartwool balaclava Mountain hardwear windproof fleece hat REI primaloft jacket w hood Arctyrex hardshell REI short gaiters Lessons learned Put frap goggles back in ruck for high wind. I always carry goggles when I go climbing for the wind, I should have some really cheap ones all the time, if you can’t see you can’t move very well. Always take nomex gloves, besides being the perfect 35-45 degree glove IMO, they are also great for cooking with. Cooking in the guyot nalgene works great, get a stubby one for individual meals and to reduce wasted heat. Never put anything under the top flap without securing it, put it all the way into the ruck if possible. Be ready for the weather to be MUCH worse. Get a windproof and water resistant sleeping bag cover/bivi. After researching it, it looks like some nice ones come in at under 8oz. As I already knew, wind is a big deal and being wind proof should be part of the shelter system. Make drink mix part of the food system, makes purified water taste better and of course has nutrition Still need a bigger tarp, mine is 5x8 and I want at about 7-8x10 For camping in protected areas take a full length sleeping pad I want some really light puffy camp booties, they would have made sleeping much nicer and only added 5oz Want a separate puffy hood/balaclava. Same as booties, I think with a puffy balaclava and booties and my sleep system will do 10 degrees colder, and unlike 7 oz more sleeping bag they are useable in more situations. I used to use a down hood that I kept in a pocket and would put on at breaks, for ounces it was all you need for a 10 minute stop. I want some small pouches for my pack belt and shoulder straps to keep little items in. I want to have snacks, camera, water tabs, etc handy without opening the main ruck pockets. This would really be especially beneficial in bad rain. |
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so a few additional pictures. here is my cook gear, the stove weighs less than 3 oz. I used 6.4oz of 99% isopropyl alcohol to cook 6 meals for 2. Elevation at about 5000ft for 5 of the 6 meals one meal at 7000ft. Temps about average of 40. Also made about 8 cups of coffee and cocoa with that fuel. So about 12 dehydrated or freeze dried meals and 8 cups of coffee at 6.4 oz of fuel. Had 2.2 oz left so I could have went one more day. the normal bottle I carry is 16oz so for a lone person that would make a week of meals no problem. This is all not counting fires, which of course I would use in a survival situation but this was a protected area so only stoves. I plan on changing my stove for a side venting one from these guys below. The flames were too high and I was afraid of burning the lid on my guyot bottle, and that will be a bigger problem when I get the stubby bottle to do single person meals in. As stated before I also mixed dirt into the fuel to slow the burn down a little and it did keep the flame down to a more manageable level. http://www.minibulldesign.com/   more pics for fun   |
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If you wouldn't mind giving some more detail, I'm really interested in your experience w/ making your own dehydrated meals. This is a great thread! |
for short hikes I just wear it in my hip holster as the pack is not heavy and the hip belt is not uncomfortable. for longer hikes of if I think I need faster access to the gun I've been trying this, might be what I use in an emergency, have not decided. chest rig Most the time I'm far enough from people when backpacking that I'm not really worried, the weirdo's in the woods are not usually that far our. Dangerous weirdo's are more "end of the road" types in my experience. |
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Thanks I'll try to write something about what I've learned making my own dehydrated food, most I learned from a friend, but I figured out a couple more things that work nice |
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please do, it would be nice to learn from someone else 
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First let me say very nice & extensive kit. Forgive me if these questions have been asked (I'm lazy and don't want to wade through 12 pages. I read the OP, and skimmed through the other pages). All the stuff on page 1 (minus the last picture) weighs in a 28# (without 3L bladder filled I'm assuming?)? It does look like it would be more than that. If it does weigh in at 28#, I'm impressed. Have you thought about extra socks/liners & change of clothes? I know your traveling but you'd have to tranfer gear from your travel bag to your BOB and do you normally carry good sets of socks in your travel stuff? I'm just thinking if were in a BO situation on foot, you would really need some good socks. Edited to make thoughts clearer. |
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November 14, 2005. Godspeed Chris.
November 14, 2005. Godspeed Chris.
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My bag pretty much weighs less than 30# not counting food or water no matter how I load it (i.e. summer, winter, etc) I wear either underarmor underwear or icebreaker wool. I only wear icebreaker or smartwool socks. So I already have good socks and underwear on and I have one pair of socks and underwear sealed in the bottom of the bag. If I had access to my checked bag I would add one pair of socks for complete redundancy. I did about 20 days of living outside with two pairs of socks once. It was summer and dry so it was easy just hung the dirty pair from the outside of my pack to air out, hand washed them every few days. In the wet weather it would be nicer to have 3 pair, just in case, but normally if you put your wet socks inside your jacket before bed and leave them there all night and for the next days walk they are dry to change into for the next night sleep. |
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Dehydrated food I’ll get some pictures up of how I’m making and packaging the dehydrated food. I am no expert, just started doing it this year. I'm sure someone on the forum will have some great ideas to add. These are just some thoughts for making backpacking meals or military rations (a friend use to make all his own ratios and saved a lot of weight) Day consists of breakfast (see below) lunch (either the tuna or salmon and rice) and dinner (beef and rice) plus snacks approx 2000 calories at 20oz. this is at “camping” rates i.e. eating well. At don’t really have time to eat and don’t care about eating rates (pulling out lunches) you are talking 15-16oz and 1600 cals. If you need more calories add Crisco, tallow or other fat to each meal. For very cold weather add even more fat, 4 oz of olive oil takes you up almost 1000 calories (if you drink this an ounce at a time during the day and one ounce before bed it “heats” you up pretty good.) For survival, remember that every extra pound of fat you have on your body you have 3500 consumable calories. That’s why most people can go without eating for a couple weeks if needed without much of a problem. My personal experience tells me if I can eat a little (200-400 cals a day) I can also lose a pound a day and it’s not a big deal. If I am working so hard I am losing 2 pounds a day I’m going to have some weakness issues and lightheadedness. Chris Ryan lost 36 pounds in 8 days and was pretty screwed up, so 4 pounds a day and you are at the end of your leash very quickly. He probably also did not have 36 pounds of fat, maybe 20 was fat so he was really eating himself by day 4. I unfortunately have a bit more fat! But do the math on that, he was burning 14,000 calories a day of his own body mass! Pretty incredible. Dehydrated Tuna meal 1 #4 can of tuna, 25 - 70 cal servings = 1750 cals / 10 = [175 cal portions 37.5g of protein, 2.5g fat] ¼ cup white rice = [180 cals, 45g of carb, 3g protein] 2 Tbsp. of ground flax = [70 cals, 45cals of fat (5g), 35 of carb (5g), 4g fiber] 415 calorie meal without Crisco, <4.5oz Dehydrated Salmon meal Salmon = [200 cal, 30g protein, 7.5g fat] ¼ cup white rice = [180 cals, 45g of carb, 3g protein] 2 Tbsp. of ground flax = [70 cals, 45cals of fat (5g), 35 of carb (5g), 4g fiber] 440 calorie meal without Crisco, approx 4.6oz Dehydrated Hamburger meal 7oz lean burger = [272cals, 9.9g fat, 42g protein] ¼ cup of brown rice = [180 cals, 40g carb, 3g fiber, 1g sugar, 3g protein] 2 Tbsp. of ground flax = [70 cals, 45cals of fat (5g), 35 of carb (5g), 4g fiber] 522 calorie meal without Crisco, approx 5.2oz snacks 2 fruit leathers .5oz, 45cal each 2 snack bars 1.2oz, 140cals each Cytomax energy drink 2oz = 180 cals Breakfast Oatmeal = 150 cals, 1.5oz Cocoa and coffee = 60cals, .6oz Bacon 2-3 slices precooked = 100-150cals 2oz? Powdered eggs (have been buying these) = 160 cals, 1oz Added to any meal Crisco in a squeeze tube 1Tbsp (12g) = 110 cals |
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Thanks for the dehydrated ideas. This concept really has me interested. Here's a link I found where some folks use dehydrated stuff in freezer bags: http://www.freezerbagcooking.com/ It's a little yuppie, but some good info... |
Thanks I was going to try some recipes like these but with everything pre-cooked, even the noodles so it can be made in the field even easier. I'm going to try to do some dehydrated powdered eggs with bacon bits and peppers this weekend. |
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| Any more thoughts on the Mini Bull Designs stove? I've been thinking about them lately, as well. A Trangia, which was on my list, is light, but the B.I.O.S. #2 at 29 grams seems almost unbelievable! Have you tried any of Tinny's gear? |
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thanks for reminding me. I just ordered this one. I'll tell you how it works in a couple weeks minibulldesign.com/mbdstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=22 |
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Great thread btw. subscribed. question: do you have a repeater directory for your 2m HT? Not sure if I missed it somewhere in the thread. Simplex is ok for general CQ but you run into LOS issues in an urban environment (obviously) that reduces your effective HT range if you're trying to contact a RACES/ARES net or local ham during an emergency. ARRL repeater directory |
no I don't, I was going to put it on my 8525 but it went tits up and I have not decided on a new PDA/phone yet. |
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Yeah looks like a good pack. Still want one, just don't wanna spend the $250 on a new one! |