Posted: 3/5/2009 7:45:21 AM EDT
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A few years ago (before the kids took up more of my time) I was making a lot of cheese with the milk from our dairy goats. I liked to add different things after separating the curds from the whey and before putting the curds into molds. One of my favorites was chopped fresh jalapenos. My sister-in-law's favorite was sundried tomatoes and basil pesto. Just mix whatever it is into the curds and put it in your molds. I had done some experimenting with making bleu cheese as well. It came out really good but I need to see if I can find my notes from back then (If anyone is interested I'll make a point to find it).
This thread is making me want to get all my old stuff out and make some more cheese (I imagine the rennet and cultures that have been in my fridge and freezer for five years probably need to be replaced). |
| Excellent! Thanks. Did the block of cheese take the whole gallon of milk? Can you use heavy cream? |
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it took the whole gallon, but the whey that ran off was like water anyhow. IF you use cream I bet it would be as awesome as bacon.
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"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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I was going to ask how much cheese you got from how much milk, but I see you got that covered. Oh, but how much DID that block of cheese weigh?
Great ideas to add jalepeno's or sun dried tomatoes, etc... to the whey before molding. That and smoking. Any idea on what it takes to make a cheddar? or Colby? I know the cheddar involves a process called ... <duh> cheddaring, but I don't know what that is. Hmmm, time for a trip to google. Thanks for the info. ETA: Just wanted to add that I would LOVE to know how to make blue cheese (for the person in the thread that seemed to offer to look up their recipe) |
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Originally Posted By FordGuy: it took the whole gallon, but the whey that ran off was like water anyhow. IF you use cream I bet it would be as awesome as bacon. Big words. But. What if you used cream...then ate the resulting cheese WITH bacon. Seriously, great write up! Can't wait to try it. |
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The different types of cheese come from different cultures added to the milk and different processing methods.
I used to pour the whey into my compost pile or pour it right onto plants that like acid soils. Ricotta is actually made by recooking the whey to get anything that didn't make it into the original cheese. |
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Originally Posted By cowboy7242001:
Originally Posted By FordGuy:
it took the whole gallon, but the whey that ran off was like water anyhow. IF you use cream I bet it would be as awesome as bacon. Big words. But. What if you used cream...then ate the resulting cheese WITH bacon. Seriously, great write up! Can't wait to try it. planets out of alignment, cats sleeping with dogs, everything out of kilter...but one tasty meal. |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By Teague:
Nice job, now I want to try my hand at that. You need to stop posting these great threads... Thank you! |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By sjohnny:
The different types of cheese come from different cultures added to the milk and different processing methods. I used to pour the whey into my compost pile or pour it right onto plants that like acid soils. Ricotta is actually made by recooking the whey to get anything that didn't make it into the original cheese. would you get a different type of lye soap if you poured it through wood ash? I wonder if you could use it as a SHTF substitute for battery acid? If you drink it, will it prevent scurvy? Hell, would it CAUSE scurvy? |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By Cacinok:
sweet write up FG. i told my wife i need to buy a case of ammo so that if the SHTF we can make cheese. That was my intent - a pre packed case of black hills ammo is the perfect weight, very difficult to replicate. Just go the easy route and use ammo. (that should be "ammunition" in your debates with the wife!) |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
out fucking standing.... the mrs asked me just yesterday if we could make our own cheese, and I said I'd look into it... you just saved me some work! Going to have to use Federal ammo though, hopefully M193 will work. Can you let us know if it does? |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By FordGuy:
Originally Posted By Cacinok:
sweet write up FG. i told my wife i need to buy a case of ammo so that if the SHTF we can make cheese. That was my intent - a pre packed case of black hills ammo is the perfect weight, very difficult to replicate. Just go the easy route and use ammo. (that should be "ammunition" in your debates with the wife!) lol. i'm pretty blessed, my wife was actually spearheading our preps before i got on board. she realizes the need for guns and ammo. our pattern is fill holes in the food stores, garden, livestock, etc., then spend money on the ammo. repeat. she bought me 2500 rounds of .22 for my bday last year, as well. |
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Originally Posted By jhasz:
I was going to ask how much cheese you got from how much milk, but I see you got that covered. Oh, but how much DID that block of cheese weigh? Great ideas to add jalepeno's or sun dried tomatoes, etc... to the whey before molding. That and smoking. Any idea on what it takes to make a cheddar? or Colby? I know the cheddar involves a process called ... <duh> cheddaring, but I don't know what that is. Hmmm, time for a trip to google. Thanks for the info. ETA: Just wanted to add that I would LOVE to know how to make blue cheese (for the person in the thread that seemed to offer to look up their recipe) Cheddaring is a process of texturizing by taking slices of the curds and placing them on top of each other, squishing and repeating until it becomes layered (supposed to look like cooked chicken breast when broken in half). Not all recipes call for this since it is just a texturizing step. To make the flavor of cheddar you follow all the steps the OP has mentioned and let it mature for 2-6 months. 3 months is supposed to make mild cheddar. To make colby you pour off the whey and stir in cool water until the temp reaches 80 degrees and then pour into cheese cloth and strain. More water and the lower the temp then the softer the cheese and then just age. |
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Originally Posted By MrHunterAZ:
Originally Posted By jhasz:
I was going to ask how much cheese you got from how much milk, but I see you got that covered. Oh, but how much DID that block of cheese weigh? Great ideas to add jalepeno's or sun dried tomatoes, etc... to the whey before molding. That and smoking. Any idea on what it takes to make a cheddar? or Colby? I know the cheddar involves a process called ... <duh> cheddaring, but I don't know what that is. Hmmm, time for a trip to google. Thanks for the info. ETA: Just wanted to add that I would LOVE to know how to make blue cheese (for the person in the thread that seemed to offer to look up their recipe) Cheddaring is a process of texturizing by taking slices of the curds and placing them on top of each other, squishing and repeating until it becomes layered (supposed to look like cooked chicken breast when broken in half). Not all recipes call for this since it is just a texturizing step. To make the flavor of cheddar you follow all the steps the OP has mentioned and let it mature for 2-6 months. 3 months is supposed to make mild cheddar. To make colby you pour off the whey and stir in cool water until the temp reaches 80 degrees and then pour into cheese cloth and strain. More water and the lower the temp then the softer the cheese and then just age. Thanks for the info - now if someone would post the how-to on blue cheese, there would be joy at my place since we LOVE blue cheese (and it's cousin feta) |
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| I made both bleu cheese and feta with goats milk back when I was milking goats and making cheese. I'll see if I can find my notes/info on both. I remember that for the bleu I took a chunk of a bleu that I really liked and blended it up with some goat milk and added it to my mixture. That provided the bleu mold that then reproduced throughout the cheese. I don't remember the specifics off hand but it was oh so delicious. |
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Bleu Cheese
I roughly followed this recipe. I made some changes when I was doing it and they are reflected in the recipe. Warm milk to 85°F and add 1/3 cup of a fresh mesophilic starter per gallon of milk, when the milk has been heat-treated or is very fresh, and ¼ cup starter for older milk. If using a DVI, use twice the recommended amount advised by the manufacturer for heat treated or very fresh milk, and at the recommended amount for older milk that may have some acid development. I don't remember what this is Try a starter that has Streptococcus lactis sub-species cremoris in it for the best flavor. Add two drops of liquid Blue mold to the milk. I used one TSP bleu cheese blended in 1/4 cup water. It was an expensive bleu that a friend had given me that was really good. I don't remember what it was called but the mold was alive and well. Ripen the milk to .18% acidity. I don't remember how to do this or if I even did at all Mix ¼ teaspoon liquid rennet per gallon of milk in ½ cup of water. I used 1 Rennet tablet for two gallons. Mix into the milk and let set for an hour or until a firm curd is formed. Cut the curd into one-inch block and let rest for 10 minutes. Gently scoop the curd into cheesecloth-lined colanders and hang to drain for 60 minutes. Fill 4-inch diameter molds with the curd, packing the curd in firmly with your hand to make the top & bottom surfaces smooth. Leave the cheese in the molds for two days at 65°F, turning the cheeses 6 times per day for the first day, then 4 times a day for the second. After a day or two I ran sterilized metal skewers through the cheeses in various places to create "veins" through which the mold could travel to get all through the cheese Unmold cheeses and rub kosher salt on the surface. Ripen the cheeses at 65°F in large plastic "sweater" containers at a relative humidity of 95% for 1 to 2 weeks. I think I had about 4 cheeses. One of them I started eating after about 3 weeks (it was really good) Two of them waited a couple of months (they were really good (I like stinky cheese)) The last one I forgot about for about a year and even though I like stinky cheese I had to shit can it along with the container in which it was stored. |
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It appears that my feta recipe was one of the files that didn't get recovered off of the old hard drive Sorry. I seem to remember a brine being involved and you really need to pay attention to the salinity of that brine. The first batch I made was so salty I had to rinse off every piece before I could do anything else with it. |
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Thanks for the thread FordGuy! Thanks to the other contributors too, there is some great information in this thread! AND, you have inspired me to actually make cheese! I am in the process of making a quick mozzarella ... the first time I have made cheese! Thanks again! J. I am using this recipe - it is very simple so far. Quick and Easy Mozzarella Cheese
This recipe is a quick, simple, easy recipe to make a 2-lb block of mozzarella cheese: Ingredients: 1. 2 gallons of cool milk, either fresh & raw or pasteurized and cooled. 2. Citric acid powder. 2 1/2 very level teaspoons of citric acid powder dissolved in 1/4 cup of cool tap water. Mix into the cool milk for 2 minutes. 3. Heat milk to 88 degrees F. This is not an error. You are not trying to pasteurize the milk. If you get it too hot or too cold, the rennet will not take make curds. 4. Rennet: 1/2 teaspoon liquid rennet (or 1/2 tablet regular rennet OR 2 junket tablets). Dissolve rennet in 1/4 cup cool tap water. Add this into the milk and stir for 14-20 seconds. Cover your pot with a lid and allow milk to remain still for 12-15 minutes while it coagulates. 5. Cut the curd into cubes, around 1/2 inch in size. Let cut curds remain undisturbed for 5 minutes. Apply low heat and stir gently so as to keep curds separated. The curds will shrink as the whey is expelled from them in this step. Slowly heat the curds to 108 degrees over about 10-15 minutes time. Then shut off the heat and continue to stir every few minutes for an additional 20 minutes. 6. Drain curds in a colander for about 15 minutes. You can dip or pour them out of the pan and save the whey to make ricotta if you wish, or save it for the pigs or chickens, or throw it out. After the curds sit for 15 minutes, they will be stuck together in a colander shaped clump. Cut this into strips about 1 inch by 1 inch cross section. Lay the strips in a criss-cross fashion in a large bowl. 7. Mix 1/4 cup salt in 1/2 gallon of water and heat to 170 degrees. I always heat this water up while I am stirring the curds for that 15 minutes in step 5 above. Add the salt water to the bowl with the curds in it, make sure it is enough to cover the curds. 8. Using a wooden spoon or a pair of them, begin to stretch the curds in an upward motion (sort of like stretching taffy only stretch it with the spoons). It will begin to get stringy and will look plastic and shiny. Stretch it for about 10 minutes, then place the whole thing on a board and knead it just like you would bread dough, shaping it into a ball. This takes the excess moisture out of your cheese. Place the cheese in a plastic mold . You can place your plastic mold in a bowl of cold water until it's firm and cold or just put a lid on it and place it in the refrigerator overnight. It's now ready to eat. You can eat it in chunks or slices or grate it and cook with it. To store, place in zip-lock bag or plastic wrap and refrigerate. NOTE: If you want salt-free cheese, you can stretch it in the hot water without the salt, but the flavor is better with the salt. |
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this has been an awful tasty thread for me! the cheese turned out wonderful...nothing like it! |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Another question that came to mind is, if you are making it with only vinegar or lemon juice, just how much will do the job?
And thanks for a great write up! |
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Originally Posted By jhasz:
Another question that came to mind is, if you are making it with only vinegar or lemon juice, just how much will do the job? I think it was just a couple of teaspoons per gallon. If you put too much in the cheese will be rubbery. If I remember right you need to bring the milk up to about 185 degrees if you are using those types of acid. Put in a little bit of vinegar at a time until it starts to coagulate. It happens pretty quick. I'm going off memory for some of this so don't go solely off what I've said. |
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1/4 cup per gallon, so one or the other, or 1/8 plus 1/8 of each.
Originally Posted By jhasz:
Another question that came to mind is, if you are making it with only vinegar or lemon juice, just how much will do the job? And thanks for a great write up! |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By cowboy7242001:
Originally Posted By FordGuy:
it took the whole gallon, but the whey that ran off was like water anyhow. IF you use cream I bet it would be as awesome as bacon. Big words. But. What if you used cream...then ate the resulting cheese WITH bacon. Seriously, great write up! Can't wait to try it. Is that some sort of a challenge? A "cheese off" if you will? You dare me to take whole cream, make cheese, and then somehow combine it with bacon? You realize this would bring about the apocolypse? If not the raising of Beelzebub himself, at least it would knock the planets out of alignment, dogs mating with cats, you know the rest.... *voice of Scottie from Star Trek* "Captain, I canna do it! She's gonna blow!" |
"Focus on the front sight.....Smooth on the trigger..."
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
Armalite 20 inch - or nothing.
When they come to take your guns, give them up. One round at a time.
America is not at war.The Military is at war. America is at the mall.
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Originally Posted By Teague:
What happens if you don't press the curds? Then you enjoy a delicious and nutritious bowl of cottage cheese. |
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Ok, so I did this...
1. The M193 worked great, no problems there. 2. One batch I ate after draining in cheesecloth for 6-8 hours. It was similar to cream cheese but with just a hint of sour cream flavor. Damned tasty, especially mixed with fresh strawberries. 3. The main batch I pressed for 2 days. Moisture level was great, texture very good, taste was a little sharp/acidic Edible, and very good melted, but I was disappointed with the flavor. Trying to figure out what I did wrong.... A. didn't sterilize properly? don't think so, there is no weird funk or taste, just too sharp. B. did not get a "clean break" when the curd separated? maybe (is this temperature related?) C. I put in 1/4 cup of buttermilk (like the OP) and let it sit about 12 hours... perhaps this was too long and the result was too acidic to begin with I'm going to try this again but without the buttermilk... the results were promising enough to warrant another try. |
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Okay, I was looking in one of my books of recipes for a cookie recipe and found a hard copy of the Feta recipe I thought was lost. Here it is:
Feta 1 Gallon Goat’s or Sheep’s milk 1 Tbsp plain active yogurt (I used 1 packet of Direct Set Mesophilic Culture) ½ Tablet of rennet dissolved in ¼ cup water Table Salt Warm milk to 86 degrees. Don’t let it burn. Remove from heat. Mix yogurt with equal part of milk to blend, stir into warmed milk. Cover and let sit for one hour at room temperature. Add dissolved rennet to milk. Stir to mix thoroughly. Let sit covered overnight. The next morning the milk should have gelled. Some of the whey will have separated. Cut curd - start at one side and cut straight down to the bottom. Make the next cut ½ inch form and parallel to the first but sloping slightly (the sliced curd will be wider at bottom than top). Repeat increasing angle with each cut. Turn pot 90 degrees, repeat cuts. Repeat two more times. The curd should be about ½ inch cubes. With very clean hand and arm reach to the bottom and gently lift the curds to stir. Cut any large pieces that appear with a table knife so that they are ½ inch cubes. Continue for 10-15 minutes until curd is somewhat contracted. Decant off the whey through a strainer lined with a handkerchief. Pour curds into handkerchief. Let drain until no more whey drains out (about 2-4 hours). Pour drained curds into a bowl, break up the curd and mix in ½ tsp salt. Press into mold as per basic cheese. Line can with handkerchief, place curds inside, fold over ends of cloth, place end on top, place weight on top of that and let sit overnight. Prepare brine: (12.5% salt) 20 ounces water plus 5 tbsp salt. Stir to dissolve. Cut cheese into 1.5 inch cubes. Place into wide mouth jar and pour brine over to cover. Let pickle for several days in the refrigerator. The cheese will become drier and more easily crumbled with time. Store in the fridge. Rinse before use to remove excess salt. |







