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6/7/2026 10:14:34 AM EDT
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6/7/2026 10:42:56 AM EDT
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6/7/2026 10:50:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Colt653][Edited] [#2]






6/7/2026 12:10:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Maybe the app is new, but automated FT modes were a thing almost from the start of the FT8 craze.

For instance, the "Peanuts" meme is many years old
"Cogito, ergo armatum sum."
6/7/2026 1:13:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Maybe the app is new, but automated FT modes were a thing almost from the start of the FT8 craze.

For instance, the "Peanuts" meme is many years old
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yep

6/7/2026 2:26:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: K9-Bob][Edited] [#5]
There was a Greek ham (SQ9FVE) that did this first by modifying WSJT-X about 7 years ago.    WSJT-Z – full auto mode

I tried Hamilton Auto FT8 and IMHO WSJT-Z just works better.
“Every man has two deaths, when he is buried in the ground and the last time someone says his name. In some ways, men can be immortal. “ - Ernest Hemingway
6/8/2026 4:44:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CashOnlyLargeBills][Edited] [#6]
Originally Posted By K9-Bob:
There was a Greek ham (SQ9FVE) that did this first by modifying WSJT-X about 7 years ago.    WSJT-Z – full auto mode

I tried Hamilton Auto FT8 and IMHO WSJT-Z just works better.
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WSJT-Z is a godsend when trying to work DXexpeditions.
6/8/2026 5:37:04 PM EDT
[#7]
To an outsider, this is an automated Ping command.  Even manually Pinging just doesn't sound exciting.
6/9/2026 3:33:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills:



WSJT-Z is a godsend when trying to work DXexpeditions.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
To an outsider, this is an automated Ping command.  Even manually Pinging just doesn't sound exciting.
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That's the gist of it right there. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, when modern digital modes (the "soundcard" modes) first appeared on the scene with PSK31, people took to it in droves because it was easier and faster to make contacts and therefore it was easier and faster to win awards or work DX. The next ten years after that saw an explosion of digital modes, perhaps the most famous being Olivia. Olivia was the first popular HF "weak signal" mode.

All of those modes were keyboard to keyboard chat modes. Sure, people used a lot of canned messages sent with a single keystroke ("macros"), but it was still very much a mix of manual and automatic keyboarding. As such, digi rag-chews were commonplace and there was a lot more going on than just "59 73". But most of the award chasers stuck with PSK31 because it was fast and, perhaps more important, because it allowed a lot of 31.25 Hz wide signals into a single 2.5 or 3KHz passband and therefore making contacts was like shooting a lot of fish in a very small barrel.

Digi activity peaked during the solar cycle minimum that occurred between 2000 and 2010, between Cycles 23 and 24. The combination of stable (in frequency) and reasonably powerful PCs and soundcards, the excellent frequency stability of the radios of that era, some innovative software developers, the crappy propagation and, most interestingly, the end of the Morse code requirement in 2007, together became the perfect storm that caused digi modes to be very popular. And then the Sun woke up for Cycle 24 and people started actually speaking to each other again

As Cycle 24 started to wane, Joe Taylor (K1JT) and Steve Franke (K9AN) got the bright idea to take a page out of the Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and VHF DX playbook, one that they essentially invented in 2003 with the JT65 mode thanks to those same stable and powerful PCs and soundcards. The result was FT8, first appearing in 2017 as an adjunct mode in their existing EME/VHF-DX/weak signal application, WSJT-X.

With a bandwidth of only 50Hz, FT8 made it shooting fish in a barrel time again. And there were so many fish! Because of the very slow symbol rate used in FT8, five times slower than PSK31, link margin requirements dropped and DX became extremely plentiful. But something had to give, and that something was message length.

Who would have thought that the very structured and limited exchanges that the message length limits of FT8 forced would turn out to be its major feature! It would seem that people love to build their logbooks but could care less about actually talking to each other! And thus FT8, and its descendants such as FT4, have taken over the HF digital mode world and, for most people, the myriad keyboard chat modes of the 2000-2010 decade are lost to the sands of time. Perhaps the only other real player is JS8, which appeals very much to the emcom/survival/prepper/larping crowd.


"Cogito, ergo armatum sum."
6/9/2026 3:43:39 PM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
That's the gist of it right there. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, when modern digital modes (the "soundcard" modes) first appeared on the scene with PSK31, people took to it in droves because it was easier and faster to make contacts and therefore it was easier and faster to win awards or work DX. The next ten years after that saw an explosion of digital modes, perhaps the most famous being Olivia. Olivia was the first popular HF "weak signal" mode.

All of those modes were keyboard to keyboard chat modes. Sure, people used a lot of canned messages sent with a single keystroke ("macros"), but it was still very much a mix of manual and automatic keyboarding. As such, digi rag-chews were commonplace and there was a lot more going on than just "59 73". But most of the award chasers stuck with PSK31 because it was fast and, perhaps more important, because it allowed a lot of 31.25 Hz wide signals into a single 2.5 or 3KHz passband and therefore making contacts was like shooting a lot of fish in a very small barrel.

Digi activity peaked during the solar cycle minimum that occurred between 2000 and 2010, between Cycles 23 and 24. The combination of stable (in frequency) and reasonably powerful PCs and soundcards, the excellent frequency stability of the radios of that era, some innovative software developers, the crappy propagation and, most interestingly, the end of the Morse code requirement in 2007, together became the perfect storm that caused digi modes to be very popular. And then the Sun woke up for Cycle 24 and people started actually speaking to each other again

As Cycle 24 started to wane, Joe Taylor (K1JT) and Steve Franke (K9AN) got the bright idea to take a page out of the Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and VHF DX playbook, one that they essentially invented in 2003 with the JT65 mode thanks to those same stable and powerful PCs and soundcards. The result was FT8, first appearing in 2017 as an adjunct mode in their existing EME/VHF-DX/weak signal application, WSJT-X.

With a bandwidth of only 50Hz, FT8 made it shooting fish in a barrel time again. And there were so many fish! Because of the very slow symbol rate used in FT8, five times slower than PSK31, link margin requirements dropped and DX became extremely plentiful. But something had to give, and that something was message length.

Who would have thought that the very structured and limited exchanges that the message length limits of FT8 forced would turn out to be its major feature! It would seem that people love to build their logbooks but could care less about actually talking to each other! And thus FT8, and its descendants such as FT4, have taken over the HF digital mode world and, for most people, the myriad keyboard chat modes of the 2000-2010 decade are lost to the sands of time. Perhaps the only other real player is JS8, which appeals very much to the emcom/survival/prepper/larping crowd.


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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills:



WSJT-Z is a godsend when trying to work DXexpeditions.
Originally Posted By backbencher:
To an outsider, this is an automated Ping command.  Even manually Pinging just doesn't sound exciting.
That's the gist of it right there. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, when modern digital modes (the "soundcard" modes) first appeared on the scene with PSK31, people took to it in droves because it was easier and faster to make contacts and therefore it was easier and faster to win awards or work DX. The next ten years after that saw an explosion of digital modes, perhaps the most famous being Olivia. Olivia was the first popular HF "weak signal" mode.

All of those modes were keyboard to keyboard chat modes. Sure, people used a lot of canned messages sent with a single keystroke ("macros"), but it was still very much a mix of manual and automatic keyboarding. As such, digi rag-chews were commonplace and there was a lot more going on than just "59 73". But most of the award chasers stuck with PSK31 because it was fast and, perhaps more important, because it allowed a lot of 31.25 Hz wide signals into a single 2.5 or 3KHz passband and therefore making contacts was like shooting a lot of fish in a very small barrel.

Digi activity peaked during the solar cycle minimum that occurred between 2000 and 2010, between Cycles 23 and 24. The combination of stable (in frequency) and reasonably powerful PCs and soundcards, the excellent frequency stability of the radios of that era, some innovative software developers, the crappy propagation and, most interestingly, the end of the Morse code requirement in 2007, together became the perfect storm that caused digi modes to be very popular. And then the Sun woke up for Cycle 24 and people started actually speaking to each other again

As Cycle 24 started to wane, Joe Taylor (K1JT) and Steve Franke (K9AN) got the bright idea to take a page out of the Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and VHF DX playbook, one that they essentially invented in 2003 with the JT65 mode thanks to those same stable and powerful PCs and soundcards. The result was FT8, first appearing in 2017 as an adjunct mode in their existing EME/VHF-DX/weak signal application, WSJT-X.

With a bandwidth of only 50Hz, FT8 made it shooting fish in a barrel time again. And there were so many fish! Because of the very slow symbol rate used in FT8, five times slower than PSK31, link margin requirements dropped and DX became extremely plentiful. But something had to give, and that something was message length.

Who would have thought that the very structured and limited exchanges that the message length limits of FT8 forced would turn out to be its major feature! It would seem that people love to build their logbooks but could care less about actually talking to each other! And thus FT8, and its descendants such as FT4, have taken over the HF digital mode world and, for most people, the myriad keyboard chat modes of the 2000-2010 decade are lost to the sands of time. Perhaps the only other real player is JS8, which appeals very much to the emcom/survival/prepper/larping crowd.





That explained things nicely.   But for those of you that have never tried the slower speeds of Olivia, you should check it out. It is amazing how little signal is required for a keyboard to keyboard chat. But as explained above, there is a huge number of hams that DO NOT enjoy talking to their fellow hams.
6/12/2026 12:41:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mauser556][Edited] [#10]
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Originally Posted By K0UA:



That explained things nicely.   But for those of you that have never tried the slower speeds of Olivia, you should check it out. It is amazing how little signal is required for a keyboard to keyboard chat. But as explained above, there is a huge number of hams that DO NOT enjoy talking to their fellow hams.
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Originally Posted By K0UA:
Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills:



WSJT-Z is a godsend when trying to work DXexpeditions.
Originally Posted By backbencher:
To an outsider, this is an automated Ping command.  Even manually Pinging just doesn't sound exciting.
That's the gist of it right there. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, when modern digital modes (the "soundcard" modes) first appeared on the scene with PSK31, people took to it in droves because it was easier and faster to make contacts and therefore it was easier and faster to win awards or work DX. The next ten years after that saw an explosion of digital modes, perhaps the most famous being Olivia. Olivia was the first popular HF "weak signal" mode.

All of those modes were keyboard to keyboard chat modes. Sure, people used a lot of canned messages sent with a single keystroke ("macros"), but it was still very much a mix of manual and automatic keyboarding. As such, digi rag-chews were commonplace and there was a lot more going on than just "59 73". But most of the award chasers stuck with PSK31 because it was fast and, perhaps more important, because it allowed a lot of 31.25 Hz wide signals into a single 2.5 or 3KHz passband and therefore making contacts was like shooting a lot of fish in a very small barrel.

Digi activity peaked during the solar cycle minimum that occurred between 2000 and 2010, between Cycles 23 and 24. The combination of stable (in frequency) and reasonably powerful PCs and soundcards, the excellent frequency stability of the radios of that era, some innovative software developers, the crappy propagation and, most interestingly, the end of the Morse code requirement in 2007, together became the perfect storm that caused digi modes to be very popular. And then the Sun woke up for Cycle 24 and people started actually speaking to each other again

As Cycle 24 started to wane, Joe Taylor (K1JT) and Steve Franke (K9AN) got the bright idea to take a page out of the Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and VHF DX playbook, one that they essentially invented in 2003 with the JT65 mode thanks to those same stable and powerful PCs and soundcards. The result was FT8, first appearing in 2017 as an adjunct mode in their existing EME/VHF-DX/weak signal application, WSJT-X.

With a bandwidth of only 50Hz, FT8 made it shooting fish in a barrel time again. And there were so many fish! Because of the very slow symbol rate used in FT8, five times slower than PSK31, link margin requirements dropped and DX became extremely plentiful. But something had to give, and that something was message length.

Who would have thought that the very structured and limited exchanges that the message length limits of FT8 forced would turn out to be its major feature! It would seem that people love to build their logbooks but could care less about actually talking to each other! And thus FT8, and its descendants such as FT4, have taken over the HF digital mode world and, for most people, the myriad keyboard chat modes of the 2000-2010 decade are lost to the sands of time. Perhaps the only other real player is JS8, which appeals very much to the emcom/survival/prepper/larping crowd.





That explained things nicely.   But for those of you that have never tried the slower speeds of Olivia, you should check it out. It is amazing how little signal is required for a keyboard to keyboard chat. But as explained above, there is a huge number of hams that DO NOT enjoy talking to their fellow hams.



Which is sad.  As much as I like using FT8 (it is addiciting in its own right) I love doing SSB and CW (getting myself ready for hopefully a good rag chew soon).  I've never done digital until recently.  Mostly due to me being a Tech+ for 26 years until last October when I got my General.   After taking 4 hours of working the program and computer settings...and three rum and cokes later...I got FT8 to work.   I remember my dad (Silent Key since 2012, and voting Democrate since) trying to work PSK31 and not having a good go at it.  I didn't appeal to me at the time due to remembering how much my dad struggled with it, and well, I just like talking to people.

Now:  FT8 is the first mode I go for when I get my POTA station setup.  I do this check that my setup and equipment is set up right, that my SWR is the best I can get it, and I get to see where my signal is being heard the best.  I also go to JS8 to check the HB mode, plus try to have longer conversations.  I have yet to log a JS8 POTA contact...but that's due to me just sticking with FT8.

Yes, I can get more DX contacts using FT8, but I still rather get SSB and CW contacts.  Much more personable, plus the challenge is still there.  Do I still count FT8 as making a contact?  I do...it's just not as satisifying.  

Now my wife...  She's not a HAM.  In fact, she is new to the ride I've been on with radios since last fall.  I was messing around with my Anytone and had the bug to try hitting the ISS.  Did the setup, tracked the ISS, and she comes to the balacony asking what I was doing.  "I'm trying to hit the ISS and make a contact."

"With astronounts?"

"It can happen."

Well, I grab the radio and brought out a better antnenna, and the next pass (which we saw over the horizon and come over us) I made a contact in Canada and PA.  It blew her mind.  Now, when I go out for POTA, she generally goes with me.

And here is the bit where I accuse my wife as being an old elmer/fudd HAM.  She doesn't like FT8.  After I made a few contacts on the balacony with that most irrating of noise, she asked what I did and was excited about (I was running my G90 with Ham Radio Duo's Just OK Mini antenna) and explained how I made a contact in Chile.  "But I you didn't talk to them."  Oh, I did, as I explained, just with the computer.

"So, it just point and click?"  I nodded.  "That's not doing radio!"

So now, when I do FT*, I get the sigh of dreed with: "I want to hear voices, not the alien signal."  She does like it when I banter back and forth with other stations, and at times, several thousnad miles away.  She gets excited more than I do with the DX QSOs.

Been trying to push her to study.  But she says alot of it is over her head.  I understand this when I peer in to the Extra material.  But again, I siad the same with General.

But to the original point:  I just don't see myself doing automated FT8.  I don't see the point.
6/14/2026 2:41:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinLeg][Edited] [#11]
I've made two logged voice contacts.

First was a very nice dude in Northern California.  He was excited when I explained he was my first ever voice contact (actually - first ever contact) and sent me a physical card.  Which was cool.

Second guy treated me to a lecture on proper radio protocol and how I should always say "over" and other things, even though you rarely hear folks using super formal structure.

I haven't really bothered since.  I came to the slow realization that the 'reason' for making contacts was gamification by ARRL (and others) and the contact was itself the reason.    That amateur radio was a sort of tautological reason unto itself.  That winlink was unable to be used other than to exchange casual messages with friends / family.  The magic that I thought it was... faded away.

FT8, it's cousin JS8 (and some other digital modes) are great because it allows me to verify my gear is working, and getting heard, without having to endure talking about nothing.

/shrug


OTOH learning Amateur Radio has helped me to understand what I'm doing when dealing with GMRS, or possibly / potentially in the future, Marine VHF / SSB.


To sort of highlight what appear to me to be significant differences between "digital age" radio enthusiasts and traditional amateur hobbyist, Arduino / LORA / mesh and its capabilities is super interesting, has huge community support, and have exploded on the scene with low cost options that enable folks to do some really cool and interesting things.  Far far beyond what amateur radio is artificially limited from doing.  More of a "what cool things can I build using this cool tech" vs "who can I talk to."
6/14/2026 3:33:16 PM EDT
[#12]
I've tried hunting a POTA activator's pileup on SSB. I wouldn't have fun trying to wade through that. I've activated a park on FT8 and enjoyed myself.

I have a shitty random wire antenna and I've managed some distance I don't think I'd even approach on SSB. It also opens DXpeditions. There is a place for it.

Guns are icky.

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