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Good info, answered some of my TEOWAWKI fantasy questions...
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good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu?
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Originally Posted By staringback05: good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. |
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Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. Like I said its a work in progress Your Tank monitor wasnt setup right if they were pumping gas out and it wasnt going off . Should have gave a sudden loss alarm or if yall had BIR it would have saw it almost instantly . Theres more coming on all of that later though . Im watching defiance with the better half right now lol |
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Heh what did they do cut out a panel in the bottom of the van to get to the tank unnoticed?
Originally Posted By Lovelessk999: Originally Posted By staringback05: good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. |
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Interesting stuff.
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Thanks Hawk
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They arrested a guy last year or the year before down TX LA area that had a chevy dually pulling a 30 foot inclosed trailer with a 10,000 gall tank they had a electric high vol pump . They would pull over the tank field and drop a hose in the tank from a door in the trailer floor . The Tank monitor and a alert cashier caught them at a site.
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
They arrested a guy last year or the year before down TX LA area that had a chevy dually pulling a 30 foot inclosed trailer with a 10,000 gall tank they had a electric high vol pump . They would pull over the tank field and drop a hose in the tank from a door in the trailer floor . The Tank monitor and a alert cashier caught them at a site. I remember that hitting the local news, and I was thinking of that case when I started reading this thread. |
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII: Heh what did they do cut out a panel in the bottom of the van to get to the tank unnoticed? Originally Posted By Lovelessk999: Originally Posted By staringback05: good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. Yes. Hatch plus a hefty metal rod to move the lid in and out of position. Then one Mexican held the other as he got down and pulled the cap. You have more or less 2 lids to go through. The one you drive over and one that acts as the real lid. I'm not looking, but I am pretty sure it's pictured. They dropped the hose down halfway into the tank then hand cranked it into a 55 gallon drum. Who knows how often they had been doing this? Back in 05 we were filling our big tank every day to every other day. Now that's not the biggest C-Store in the world, but we weren't going to miss 55 gallons when it went out through the tank in that direction. |
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Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
Originally Posted By staringback05:
good info....but what your saying is unless we have a pump our selves or eletricity....were fuuuuuuuuuuu? Nope. You can siphon right from each of those tanks pictured. We had an issue with a group of Mexicans parking their van over the tanks, lifting the lid and siphoning gas with a hand crank into 55 gallon drums. In busy gas stations you never even notice it. I hated those tank monitors btw. They always showed warnings and there used to be no way to bypass the alarms even when using a dial up to your distributor. Things may have changed since 05 though. EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. sorry thats what i meant by pump...handcrank etc...but damn, nice to learn some things...and yankin that much gas damn... |
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Thread title reminded me of that |
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Thanks for taking the time to post this stuff.
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Great info! Thanks for posting this!
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In what way will this augment my ability to "render inoperative armed opponents" and break things...? (Gotta stay PC for work... don'tchya'know....)
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Awesome! Hawk, thanks for doing this.
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Sure, you can have them all. One round at a time.
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Good info, thanks.
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lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out.
I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. |
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MrM4: Welcome to the land of the free (South Dakota) Liberals are required to bring their own rope and we prefer they bring their own tree as well.
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Takes me back to the days when I managed a 24 hour Hess station during Odd/Even rationing.
I guess that most here know to not siphon from the bottom of the tank, since sediments and water lay there. |
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updated tank field some.
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
I built a pump system specifically for tapping into gas tanks like this. Basically it's a high volume automotive fuel pump hooked to some fuel hose and a 12 volt battery- through your car for example. If you have need of gas.....you have 12 volts is how I figure it....... Just a little something to have around.......
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great information - thanks
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Excellent info. Thanks for posting.
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What is the satellite dish on top of the gas station roof for? Every gas station in America has at least one dish.
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Credit card network . Lotto also uses sat.
not all brands uses V sat , all exxons , texacos ,shells and bps do though. |
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Tagscribe. interesting stuff
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T_B_S Posted: 12/21/2009 6:30:19 PM CST: not impossible. i anal carried an abrams back from desert storm. |
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Credit card network . Lotto also uses sat. not all brands uses V sat , all exxons , texacos ,shells and bps do though. Are you sure it isn't a tool in the OPEC plot to keep prices high? |
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Originally Posted By DV8:
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Credit card network . Lotto also uses sat. not all brands uses V sat , all exxons , texacos ,shells and bps do though. Are you sure it isn't a tool in the OPEC plot to keep prices high? lol , im sure . |
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Originally Posted By DV8:
Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Credit card network . Lotto also uses sat. not all brands uses V sat , all exxons , texacos ,shells and bps do though. Are you sure it isn't a tool in the OPEC plot to keep prices high? lol , im sure . Just looked at my post. My didn't make it into the thread. Must be a BCAK error somewhere. |
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Originally Posted By Subconscious:
lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out. I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. And then I clean 'em up. At least in the old days, there's only two types. Those that you know are leaking, and those that you haven't found the leak yet. New systems are much better, but failures still happen, and spills tend to linger for a long time. |
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Originally Posted By nvgeologist:
Originally Posted By Subconscious:
lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out. I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. And then I clean 'em up. At least in the old days, there's only two types. Those that you know are leaking, and those that you haven't found the leak yet. New systems are much better, but failures still happen, and spills tend to linger for a long time. Hey, another environmental geologist! We seldom get to the remediation stage - our clients are mostly very risk-averse banks. If the site's bad, they run. I'm with you on the "it hasn't leaked ... yet" idea. Just a matter of time. Corrosion is a big problem out this way, acidic soils, good rain amount, bare steel tanks ... I spend most of my time polishing a chair with my ass now. |
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I see you are using APC UPS units....about how long did they last before the battery went bad from getting run down to 0%?
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I can tell those pics are not from Minnesota. MPCA requires every dispenser to sit in its own plastic "sump" to prevent leakage from contaminating the ground.
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Originally Posted By Subconscious: Originally Posted By nvgeologist: Originally Posted By Subconscious: lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out. I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. And then I clean 'em up. At least in the old days, there's only two types. Those that you know are leaking, and those that you haven't found the leak yet. New systems are much better, but failures still happen, and spills tend to linger for a long time. Hey, another environmental geologist! We seldom get to the remediation stage - our clients are mostly very risk-averse banks. If the site's bad, they run. I'm with you on the "it hasn't leaked ... yet" idea. Just a matter of time. Corrosion is a big problem out this way, acidic soils, good rain amount, bare steel tanks ... I spend most of my time polishing a chair with my ass now. I wonder what type of chair the lawyers that sued us into underground tanks polish. Bet it's comfy |
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Originally Posted By dispatch55126:
I can tell those pics are not from Minnesota. MPCA requires every dispenser to sit in its own plastic "sump" to prevent leakage from contaminating the ground. VA all new constuction does. NC if ground is broke anywhere on site everything must be brought up to date. |
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
great info with great pics. thanks for posting.
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Wow! Cool to know there's so many protections, and such...
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I have a question. Why do BP stations pump so much slower than everyone else?
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Thanks; nice job.
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Well done! Very informative.
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How deep are the tanks?
How big are the tanks? Basically, how long of a hose does it take to hit bottom? |
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Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
Originally Posted By Subconscious:
Originally Posted By nvgeologist:
Originally Posted By Subconscious:
lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out. I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. And then I clean 'em up. At least in the old days, there's only two types. Those that you know are leaking, and those that you haven't found the leak yet. New systems are much better, but failures still happen, and spills tend to linger for a long time. Hey, another environmental geologist! We seldom get to the remediation stage - our clients are mostly very risk-averse banks. If the site's bad, they run. I'm with you on the "it hasn't leaked ... yet" idea. Just a matter of time. Corrosion is a big problem out this way, acidic soils, good rain amount, bare steel tanks ... I spend most of my time polishing a chair with my ass now. I wonder what type of chair the lawyers that sued us into underground tanks polish. Bet it's comfy Yeah, there's all kinds of legal ramifications involved. Personally, I hate lawyers of all types. I'm a scientist. They twist the truth for cash. Totally opposing basic philosophies. Still, bondsmen are lower. |
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Another update , some questions might be answered.
Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
I have a question. Why do BP stations pump so much slower than everyone else? This is a tough one . BPs as far as pumping goes should be the same as every one else in your area . But if you notice this with all the bps you visit , most likly they are all owned by one company and could be lacking on normal maintenance such as filter changes , or were built on bare minimum equipment such as 3/4 HP STPs instead of 1.5 HP STPs ... might even be older stations with 1/3 hp stps . They might have vapor recovery in the dispensers in which the dispenser has a vacuum pump that removes one gal of vapor from your gas tank for every gallon of fuel it dispenses .Here some of the urban counties mandated that vapor recovery be installed , afterward some stations in surrounding counties built with that in mind but it never came . Could be they are running water sensing filters that shut down flow if water contacts them ...... Im going to post on all of that later . . With out me seeing it it is really hard to tell. |
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Jeeps and Guns go together like peanut butter and jelly
I have the black rifle and jeep disease , and my insurance doesnt cover it. Southernvajeepers.com |
Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
EDIT: long hose to siphon btw. You do not want what is on the top. Mix gas and water in a glass to see why. Actually you want whats on top- oil or diesel. Thw water is heaver and sinks, forming a water bottom. To the orginal poster: when you have a gas pump, with the pump in the dispenser, can they used standard (8'-12') USTs? Reason I ask, is I couldn't get tuthill/fillrite or one other company to commit that their pumps would pump gasoline out of an 8' tank, with the top burried 24" deep, and pump all of the fuel out without the pump cavitating (due to the low vapor pressure of gasoline). I ended up going with a vaulted AST, but I really wanted to order a bigger diesel tank (we were getting a new tank anyway and partition off one side as a 2000 gal gas tank. To the poster that said all USTs leak- look at the STI permatank. It's a fiberglass tank over a steel tank with a vacuum on the interstice. if either wall is breached, the alarm goes off, and you have the product compatability and physical strength of steel, with the corosion protection of fiberglass. Not cheap, and not made is a whol lot of shops, but it really minimizes the liballity. Contractors tell me they are easier to install because they are strong like steel tanks, but without the delicate anticorosion coating. We have about a dozen sites at work, either because the tank is too big (realistically) for a vaulted AST ( >=10,000 GAL), or in a few cases because the tank is intended as an emergency fuel source (for motor vehcles or off site generators) and the UST will handle the reduced turnover. Compair this with hundreds of ASTs and probally twice as many LP tanks and 2 fuel cells. |
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Originally Posted By Hawk_308:
Another update , some questions might be answered. Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
I have a question. Why do BP stations pump so much slower than everyone else? This is a tough one . BPs as far as pumping goes should be the same as every one else in your area . But if you notice this with all the bps you visit , most likly they are all owned by one company and could be lacking on normal maintenance such as filter changes , or were built on bare minimum equipment such as 3/4 HP STPs instead of 1.5 HP STPs ... might even be older stations with 1/3 hp stps . They might have vapor recovery in the dispensers in which the dispenser has a vacuum pump that removes one gal of vapor from your gas tank for every gallon of fuel it dispenses .Here some of the urban counties mandated that vapor recovery be installed , afterward some stations in surrounding counties built with that in mind but it never came . Could be they are running water sensing filters that shut down flow if water contacts them ...... Im going to post on all of that later . . With out me seeing it it is really hard to tell. Actually, I have also noticed that every BP station I have ever been to has been very slow. I travel from the Dayton, OH area to Pittsburgh, PA on a VERY regular, more then I would care to, basis. I have always avoided BP stations for the very reason that it seems to take forever and a day to fill up there. That reason and they never seem to have a good selection of drinks at BP . Anyway, im glad im not the only one who has noticed this phenomenon. |
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So how does the tanker come and fill the tanks when the parking lot is all full of ice and snow like it can happen here in MI?
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Originally Posted By nvgeologist: Originally Posted By Subconscious: lol, you put 'em in, I take 'em out. I've probably done 200 UST pulls over the years. And then I clean 'em up. At least in the old days, there's only two types. Those that you know are leaking, and those that you haven't found the leak yet. New systems are much better, but failures still happen, and spills tend to linger for a long time. and a goodly number of years back i'd helped my now deceased grandfather cut the tanks up and recycle the steel through his scarp yard... [lionking voice] it's the cirrrrrrcle of gas, and it moves us all...[/lionking voice] K. |
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Ethanol switch? Mandated ethanol content or something? How few people realise it's hygroscopic.
And I won't be using a high flow diesel pump anymore. |
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