What is "Bearden Steel" Used for Larue Stealth Barrels? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/29/2016 9:48:45 AM EDT
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Considering a Larue Stealth barrel. I had originally planned on using a stainless barrel in 1:7" twist. The Larue is 1:8" twist and is made from "Bearden Steel" (or at least it has this name stamped on the barrel).
Anyone familiar with Bearden Steel? What is it and what makes it a good steel for an AR-15 barrel? I want a 16" barrel. How heavy a bullet can I shoot using a 1:7" twist with a 16" barrel? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
How heavy a bullet can I shoot using a 1:7" twist http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/all-bullets/ The 82 grain VLD Berger, which is far too long to be loaded to magazine length, lists an optimum twist rate of 1:7. The Larue's 1:8 is fast enough for anything that will fit in a magazine. Larue has not acknowledged what steel they use for their barrels. Like many Larue products, they keep most information proprietary and operate on the "just trust us" method. |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/all-bullets/ The 82 grain VLD Berger, which is far too long to be loaded to magazine length, lists an optimum twist rate of 1:7. The Larue's 1:8 is fast enough for anything that will fit in a magazine. Larue has not acknowledged what steel they use for their barrels. Like many Larue products, they keep most information proprietary and operate on the "just trust us" method. Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By HogWild13:
How heavy a bullet can I shoot using a 1:7" twist http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/all-bullets/ The 82 grain VLD Berger, which is far too long to be loaded to magazine length, lists an optimum twist rate of 1:7. The Larue's 1:8 is fast enough for anything that will fit in a magazine. Larue has not acknowledged what steel they use for their barrels. Like many Larue products, they keep most information proprietary and operate on the "just trust us" method. Which competitor do you work for? |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
LaRue's 1/8 barrels shoot MK262 fine. Really fine. An AR magazine will limit the bullet before the barrel will, so 77 85gr is about as heavy as you can really go. FIFY. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/MOLON/Barnes%205.56%2085gr%20OTM%20BT.htm |
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Originally Posted By joshdb50: Which competitor do you work for? Originally Posted By joshdb50: Originally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By HogWild13: How heavy a bullet can I shoot using a 1:7" twist http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/all-bullets/ The 82 grain VLD Berger, which is far too long to be loaded to magazine length, lists an optimum twist rate of 1:7. The Larue's 1:8 is fast enough for anything that will fit in a magazine. Larue has not acknowledged what steel they use for their barrels. Like many Larue products, they keep most information proprietary and operate on the "just trust us" method. Which competitor do you work for? |
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Originally Posted By GSMullins:
All you need to know is that no one has yet worn out a barrel made from it.  We're runnin' a few spares just in case ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-UnF0yWdck 
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
We're runnin' a few spares just in case ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-UnF0yWdck Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By GSMullins:
All you need to know is that no one has yet worn out a barrel made from it. We're runnin' a few spares just in case ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-UnF0yWdck Seems you've improved on efficiency a bit: 
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Originally Posted By axeltow: Man some of you guys are so nice. I actually laughed when I saw the title and my initial reaction was the guy made a mistake and it will be easy to fix. Then I open the thread and see a bunch of people crapping on the OP. I googled "bearden steel" and came up with nothing, so I call this an honest mistake. Maybe my parents raised me right or I guess I don't troll the Internet looking for a reason to be a smart ass. Meh, thanks for the laugh OP.  |
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Originally Posted By axeltow:
Man some of you guys are so nice. I actually laughed when I saw the title and my initial reaction was the guy made a mistake and it will be easy to fix. Then I open the thread and see a bunch of people crapping on the OP. I googled "bearden steel" and came up with nothing, so I call this an honest mistake. Maybe my parents raised me right or I guess I don't troll the Internet looking for a reason to be a smart ass. Meh, thanks for the laugh OP.
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Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter:
GD will cure you of your affliction.
Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter:
Originally Posted By axeltow:
Man some of you guys are so nice. I actually laughed when I saw the title and my initial reaction was the guy made a mistake and it will be easy to fix. Then I open the thread and see a bunch of people crapping on the OP. I googled "bearden steel" and came up with nothing, so I call this an honest mistake. Maybe my parents raised me right or I guess I don't troll the Internet looking for a reason to be a smart ass. Meh, thanks for the laugh OP.
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Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter:
Originally Posted By axeltow:
Man some of you guys are so nice. I actually laughed when I saw the title and my initial reaction was the guy made a mistake and it will be easy to fix. Then I open the thread and see a bunch of people crapping on the OP. I googled "bearden steel" and came up with nothing, so I call this an honest mistake. Maybe my parents raised me right or I guess I don't troll the Internet looking for a reason to be a smart ass. Meh, thanks for the laugh OP.
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Thinking seriously about the Larue barrel. Have planned on using stainless all along. What will I give up or gain accuracy wise by switching from stainless to the Larue steel barrel? Appreciate your thoughts. Nothing really in my opinion http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887__The_New_ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge__Post_all_new_entries_here.html |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Thinking seriously about the Larue barrel. Have planned on using stainless all along. What will I give up or gain accuracy wise by switching from stainless to the Larue steel barrel? Appreciate your thoughts. Larues accuracy is well documented, plus at $225 sale price it can't be beat, your bigger decision should be Stealth or predaTar. And what length |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Thinking seriously about the Larue barrel. Have planned on using stainless all along. What will I give up or gain accuracy wise by switching from stainless to the Larue steel barrel? Appreciate your thoughts. Just get one. |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Thinking seriously about the Larue barrel. Have planned on using stainless all along. What will I give up or gain accuracy wise by switching from stainless to the Larue steel barrel? Appreciate your thoughts. Just get one. Stealth is a heavy barrel. Figure out what length you want then heavy barrel or not. Stealth uses a .750 block, predatar uses a .625 The barrels are also cut for a 3 set screw locking gas block. You will have to use a LaRue block or SLR makes adjustable ones with the proper screw spacing if you want adjustable. |
| SLR rifleworks also makes a non-adjustable lopro block with Larue set-screw spacing |
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Originally Posted By jeep450: did not know that Originally Posted By jeep450: Originally Posted By MRW: SLR rifleworks also makes a non-adjustable lopro block with Larue set-screw spacing did not know that |
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I will be buying a 16" barrel.
So tell me the about the differences between the Predator and the Stealth. What are the accuracy, weight, and "handiness" trade=offs between these two choices using a 16" barrel? Which would you choose and why? Stealth is a medium barrel, not heavy......correct? And it has a medium taper? |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
I will be buying a 16" barrel. So tell me the about the differences between the Predator and the Stealth. What are the accuracy, weight, and "handiness" trade=offs between these two choices using a 16" barrel? Which would you choose and why? Stealth is a medium barrel, not heavy......correct? And it has a medium taper? The stealth compared to the Tar would be like comparing a heavy to a pencil in my opinion. Unless you are shooting a ton in one day, I don't think you will see much change in accuracy. |
| My 18" tAR barrel just arrived in the mail today. ExactLy what I needed. |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Good, I don't want a heavy, target barrel. Anyone have weights of the Stealth and Predator barrels? That would help me choose. I didn't see weights listed on LaRue's website. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/277386_Stealth_vs__PredatAR_Barrel.html[url=http://]http:// Eta. Well that did not work so here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/277386_Stealth_vs__PredatAR_Barrel.html |
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Originally Posted By MRW:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By MRW:
SLR rifleworks also makes a non-adjustable lopro block with Larue set-screw spacing did not know that Thanks for that! Work has been slow so springing for the Larue GB was going to hard when I start building around my tAR barrel. |
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Originally Posted By Shiff: Thanks for that! Work has been slow so springing for the Larue GB was going to hard when I start building around my tAR barrel. Originally Posted By Shiff: Originally Posted By MRW: Originally Posted By jeep450: Originally Posted By MRW: SLR rifleworks also makes a non-adjustable lopro block with Larue set-screw spacing did not know that Thanks for that! Work has been slow so springing for the Larue GB was going to hard when I start building around my tAR barrel. |
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Originally Posted By HogWild13: I will be buying a 16" barrel. So tell me the about the differences between the Predator and the Stealth. What are the accuracy, weight, and "handiness" trade=offs between these two choices using a 16" barrel? Which would you choose and why? Stealth is a medium barrel, not heavy......correct? And it has a medium taper? PredatAR is basically a pencil barrel, nice and light weight  |
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| I would NOT call it a pencil barrel. It has a thin profile in front of the gas block, but has much more thickness behind the gas block than a pencil barrel does. The tAR barrel balances very well. The Stealth is a fat pig by comparison. |
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I think for $225.00, I'm gonna grab myself an 18" Bearden Steel Barrel.
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Originally Posted By HogWild13:
Thinking seriously about the Larue barrel. Have planned on using stainless all along. What will I give up or gain accuracy wise by switching from stainless to the Larue steel barrel? Appreciate your thoughts. What are you currently using? More than likely you'll gain accuracy and loose....paychecks for the rest of your life to LT
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OP, I believe you will gain accuracy and 50% greater barrel life over stainless steel. Also, greater strength than stainless steel..
If you are just looking to target shoot or hunt, the TAR barrel will be fine. If you are looking to survive the Zombie Apocalypse, or an "Occupy America" Democrat Party sponsored revolution, get the stealth..... |
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Originally Posted By LUVONEGOD:
OP, I believe you will gain accuracy and 50% greater barrel life over stainless steel. Also, greater strength than stainless steel.. If you are just looking to target shoot or hunt, the TAR barrel will be fine. If you are looking to survive the Zombie Apocalypse, or an "Occupy America" Democrat Party sponsored revolution, get the stealth..... So, get the Stealth. A.W.D. |
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Originally Posted By LUVONEGOD:
OP, I believe you will gain accuracy and 50% greater barrel life over stainless steel. Also, greater strength than stainless steel.. If you are just looking to target shoot or hunt, the TAR barrel will be fine. If you are looking to survive the Zombie Apocalypse, or an "Occupy America" Democrat Party sponsored revolution, get the stealth..... is the infamous Reardan steel a stainless or a chrome moly with chrome lining? does larue offer pinning on the gas blocks? |