Rare Colt European Specification Carbines Available (Page 2 of 5)
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I picked my carbine up today. The following parts are serial numbered on my carbine. Serial numbered upper receiver Attached File Serial numbered barrel Attached File Serial numbered bolt carrier Attached File Serial numbered bolt (bolt is also MPC marked) Attached File Accessory package consists of the following: 1. Owners manual 2. Magpul 10-round magazine 3. Lock Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: I picked my carbine up today. The following parts are serial numbered on my carbine. Serial numbered upper receiver https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3663_JPG-2813539.JPG Serial numbered barrel https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3639_JPG-2813540.JPG Serial numbered bolt carrier https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3687_JPG-2813541.JPG Serial numbered bolt (bolt is also MPC marked) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3689_JPG-2813543.JPG Accessory package consists of the following: 1. Owners manual 2. Magpul 10-round magazine 3. Lock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3597_JPG-2813544.JPG Thank you sir. |
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One new thing I forgot to mention was the R on the barrel. I have seen many R's over the years. This is the first time I have seen one underlined. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: I picked my carbine up today. The following parts are serial numbered on my carbine. Serial numbered upper receiver https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3663_JPG-2813539.JPG Serial numbered barrel https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3639_JPG-2813540.JPG Serial numbered bolt carrier https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3687_JPG-2813541.JPG Serial numbered bolt (bolt is also MPC marked) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3689_JPG-2813543.JPG Accessory package consists of the following: 1. Owners manual 2. Magpul 10-round magazine 3. Lock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3597_JPG-2813544.JPG Thanks for sharing That confirmed my idea of the bolt being serialized. ETA Is the barrel still CL? ETA2 Any chance you could measure the chamber if it’s really 223? Surplus 556 ammo is showing up over here finally (the head stamp gets machined off  so it magically become 223)
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Originally Posted By Frens: Thanks for sharing That confirmed my idea of the bolt being serialized. ETA Is the barrel still CL? ETA2 Any chance you could measure the chamber if it’s really 223? Surplus 556 ammo is showing up over here finally (the head stamp gets machined off so it magically become 223)The barrel is chrome lined. I currently don't have anything to measure the chamber unfortunately. I really need to correct that. |
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Originally Posted By onealphay2k: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/331313/8B9D31CF-95F2-422D-98BC-ADF34257E8BB_jpe-2814648.JPG All the MT series came with a 223 labeled box but they were 5.56 Colt wouldn’t be the first to mark stuff as 223 just to comply with our stupid law but still making true 556 guns |
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Originally Posted By Frens: All the MT series came with a 223 labeled box but they were 5.56 Colt wouldn’t be the first to mark stuff as 223 just to comply with our stupid law but still making true 556 guns https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD9ft4KqLWIOrg3u1Ww344f9_d-8YuGIZd4Q&usqp=CAU I called Sig Sauer 3X about my 7.62 Patrol Rifle, they assured me all 3X it was chambered in 7.62, but its not, its 308. Gauges don't lie. Barrel stamped 7.62, marked 7.62 on box, 7.62 on Manual, but chamber is at 308. Good reasons for doing that, then deny doing that lol!. Until a chamber gauge is actually inserted in this Euro Colt, I would still bet its 5.56 no matter what people at Colt are stating. But thats just my guess. I have the chamber gauge, just not the Euro Colt rifle, guess I need to order the Colt. Much easier for someone else already with the rifle to order the gauge, not even very expensive. I wouldn't want the rifle if it is really .223. Thus the reason I haven't bought one, hoping someone with a M Guns Gauge would check it first, then we will know for sure. http://www.m-guns.com/tools.php .223/5.56? Gage This gage tells you if you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO (or larger), or something shorter/smaller. The gage looks a lot like a headspace gage but it does not gage headspace. It comes with its own rod which you thread into the tapped hole in the back of the gage. Unload and open your rifle, pull the bolt group, make sure the chamber is clean so there is no false reading, and drop the gage in. If the gage's shoulder "clinks" off on the shoulder of the chamber and the gage drops or pulls free without sticking or resistance, you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO or larger. If the gage goes in and wants to stick, as in, you let it in and it pulls with a little resistance, or you try and turn it but it does not turn freely, you are short of 5.56 NATO and probably have a .223 chamber. You can color it up with a Sharpie, put it in and spin it (clockwise) to observe where it's contacting the chamber first. Note that the gage will also stick in a .223 Wylde chamber since the Wylde's freebore is smaller in diameter than the 5.56 NATO's. It's my opinion that the Wylde chamber ought to be OK with 5.56 NATO ammo, but I have not delved into this scientifically. I don't own anything with the Wylde chamber, so I have no first-hand experience with it. The smaller freebore, I suppose, would make it more crud-sensitive. The newly designed (3/15) handle acts as a case for the gage, preventing loss and damage. Probing either a .223 SAAMI or .223 Wylde chamber with this gage will not harm the chamber unless you decide to really try by hammering it in. Don't do that. Price is $65, add $10 for Priority Mail, or $5 for first class. You can PayPal me the funds using my email, [email protected], or send a check made out to Michiguns to: MG Box 42 |
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Originally Posted By OTDR: I called Sig Sauer 3X about my 7.62 Patrol Rifle, they assured me all 3X it was chambered in 7.62, but its not, its 308. Gauges don't lie. Barrel stamped 7.62, marked 7.62 on box, 7.62 on Manual, but chamber is at 308. Good reasons for doing that, then deny doing that lol!. Until a chamber gauge is actually inserted in this Euro Colt, I would still bet its 5.56 no matter what people at Colt are stating. But thats just my guess. I have the chamber gauge, just not the Euro Colt rifle, guess I need to order the Colt. Much easier for someone else already with the rifle to order the gauge, not even very expensive. I wouldn't want the rifle if it is really .223. Thus the reason I haven't bought one, hoping someone with a M Guns Gauge would check it first, then we will know for sure. http://www.m-guns.com/tools.php .223/5.56? Gage This gage tells you if you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO (or larger), or something shorter/smaller. The gage looks a lot like a headspace gage but it does not gage headspace. It comes with its own rod which you thread into the tapped hole in the back of the gage. Unload and open your rifle, pull the bolt group, make sure the chamber is clean so there is no false reading, and drop the gage in. If the gage's shoulder "clinks" off on the shoulder of the chamber and the gage drops or pulls free without sticking or resistance, you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO or larger. If the gage goes in and wants to stick, as in, you let it in and it pulls with a little resistance, or you try and turn it but it does not turn freely, you are short of 5.56 NATO and probably have a .223 chamber. You can color it up with a Sharpie, put it in and spin it (clockwise) to observe where it's contacting the chamber first. Note that the gage will also stick in a .223 Wylde chamber since the Wylde's freebore is smaller in diameter than the 5.56 NATO's. It's my opinion that the Wylde chamber ought to be OK with 5.56 NATO ammo, but I have not delved into this scientifically. I don't own anything with the Wylde chamber, so I have no first-hand experience with it. The smaller freebore, I suppose, would make it more crud-sensitive. The newly designed (3/15) handle acts as a case for the gage, preventing loss and damage. Probing either a .223 SAAMI or .223 Wylde chamber with this gage will not harm the chamber unless you decide to really try by hammering it in. Don't do that. Price is $65, add $10 for Priority Mail, or $5 for first class. You can PayPal me the funds using my email, [email protected], or send a check made out to Michiguns to: MG Box 42 I have gauges. I wlll gauge mine this morning. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: I have gauges. I wlll gauge mine this morning. Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Originally Posted By OTDR: I called Sig Sauer 3X about my 7.62 Patrol Rifle, they assured me all 3X it was chambered in 7.62, but its not, its 308. Gauges don't lie. Barrel stamped 7.62, marked 7.62 on box, 7.62 on Manual, but chamber is at 308. Good reasons for doing that, then deny doing that lol!. Until a chamber gauge is actually inserted in this Euro Colt, I would still bet its 5.56 no matter what people at Colt are stating. But thats just my guess. I have the chamber gauge, just not the Euro Colt rifle, guess I need to order the Colt. Much easier for someone else already with the rifle to order the gauge, not even very expensive. I wouldn't want the rifle if it is really .223. Thus the reason I haven't bought one, hoping someone with a M Guns Gauge would check it first, then we will know for sure. http://www.m-guns.com/tools.php .223/5.56? Gage This gage tells you if you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO (or larger), or something shorter/smaller. The gage looks a lot like a headspace gage but it does not gage headspace. It comes with its own rod which you thread into the tapped hole in the back of the gage. Unload and open your rifle, pull the bolt group, make sure the chamber is clean so there is no false reading, and drop the gage in. If the gage's shoulder "clinks" off on the shoulder of the chamber and the gage drops or pulls free without sticking or resistance, you have a chamber that is 5.56 NATO or larger. If the gage goes in and wants to stick, as in, you let it in and it pulls with a little resistance, or you try and turn it but it does not turn freely, you are short of 5.56 NATO and probably have a .223 chamber. You can color it up with a Sharpie, put it in and spin it (clockwise) to observe where it's contacting the chamber first. Note that the gage will also stick in a .223 Wylde chamber since the Wylde's freebore is smaller in diameter than the 5.56 NATO's. It's my opinion that the Wylde chamber ought to be OK with 5.56 NATO ammo, but I have not delved into this scientifically. I don't own anything with the Wylde chamber, so I have no first-hand experience with it. The smaller freebore, I suppose, would make it more crud-sensitive. The newly designed (3/15) handle acts as a case for the gage, preventing loss and damage. Probing either a .223 SAAMI or .223 Wylde chamber with this gage will not harm the chamber unless you decide to really try by hammering it in. Don't do that. Price is $65, add $10 for Priority Mail, or $5 for first class. You can PayPal me the funds using my email, [email protected], or send a check made out to Michiguns to: MG Box 42 I have gauges. I wlll gauge mine this morning. What did the gauge say? |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Well, I have apparently lost my 5.56 gauges. The only gauge I could find was a .223 field gauge. Bolt would not close. I have some new gauges on the way. Thats not what you need, you need the M Guns chamber gauge I posted about earlier in thread. |
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Originally Posted By OTDR: Now I am excited as you will get that M Guns gauge way before I get my gun. If its a true .223 chamber wonder if I can refuse the rifle before the transfer lol? Sit on the Euro carbine for a little while at least. Less than 400 were shipped. They will be worth some money. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Sit on the Euro carbine for a little while at least. Less than 400 were shipped. They will be worth some money. I am tempted to add one to my collection, I would probably never shoot it as I have other 6920 variants I can shoot, so maybe the .223 chamber wouldn't really bother me as much as I thought. It would stay in the safe and keep my Mexican 6920 company. |
| Kinda funny you ask about that…..happy….. well mine came a bunch of scratches on the barrel by the muzzle where the Colt assembly monkey’s wrench slipped off the flash hider. I’m going to have to touch that up or keep it well oiled. It also has the usual marring on the receiver, which is expected with colt. So everyone else is safe, I probably got the worse of the bunch. |
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So I called Colt yesterday and spoke with a new customer service rep that didn’t know much I told her about the Colt Euro model and provided my serial number. I explained that I thought this was a European contract overrun and curious if she knew anything about the circumstances. She did not know anything about the guns. I then asked about it being stamped .223 but in the past, .223 guns could shoot 5.56. She didn’t have an answer. I asked for a manager to call me and they haven’t. Update……I called back and spoke to the same lady again lol. She apologized profusely. Said she just started in November and is learning everyday. Said she spoke with her director and will get an answer on the chamber and potentially an answer on why this euro edition was made. I’ll keep you all posted |
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Originally Posted By aeyoung: ……yes. That is what the rifle says. Originally Posted By aeyoung: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Colt just called me back. .223 chamber only…………… ……yes. That is what the rifle says. Don’t be that guy. Historically, colt marked .223 rifles had 5.56 chambers. So knock it off |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Noted in the OP here, also post 42 on first page.  Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Colt just called me back. .223 chamber only…………… Noted in the OP here, also post 42 on first page. Gee…..thanks for your contribution |
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Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Gee…..thanks for your contribution Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Colt just called me back. .223 chamber only…………… Noted in the OP here, also post 42 on first page. Gee…..thanks for your contribution Sure, you as well. |
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Originally Posted By Frens: Steyr does the same with their AUG.. theyre marked 223 but are actually 5.56. Same for the VHS Hellion and even the CZ Bren 2 if I’m not mistaken. Originally Posted By Frens: Originally Posted By aeyoung: ……yes. That is what the rifle says. Steyr does the same with their AUG.. theyre marked 223 but are actually 5.56. Same for the VHS Hellion and even the CZ Bren 2 if I’m not mistaken. Right but what are the barrels marked? That's what really matters on AR15's at least, I'm not super familiar with the AUG or Helion. |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Sure, you as well. Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Colt just called me back. .223 chamber only…………… Noted in the OP here, also post 42 on first page. Gee…..thanks for your contribution Sure, you as well. Mine was a duel question. Not just chambering, but what country or entity was this destined for. While I had them on the line, I asked chambering. Just go away man. You think you are funny |
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Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Mine was a duel question. Not just chambering, but what country or entity was this destined for. While I had them on the line, I asked chambering. Just go away man. You think you are funny Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Colt just called me back. .223 chamber only…………… Noted in the OP here, also post 42 on first page. Gee…..thanks for your contribution Sure, you as well. Mine was a duel question. Not just chambering, but what country or entity was this destined for. While I had them on the line, I asked chambering. Just go away man. You think you are funny I'll stick around until someone gauges one and reports the actual data here. I'm sure a couple more will check in with their recount of their conversation with some rando at Colt's and restate the obvious. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: I picked my carbine up today. The following parts are serial numbered on my carbine. Serial numbered upper receiver https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3663_JPG-2813539.JPG Serial numbered barrel https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3639_JPG-2813540.JPG Serial numbered bolt carrier https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3687_JPG-2813541.JPG Serial numbered bolt (bolt is also MPC marked) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3689_JPG-2813543.JPG Accessory package consists of the following: 1. Owners manual 2. Magpul 10-round magazine 3. Lock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/IMG_3597_JPG-2813544.JPG Very nice! Thank you for posting it. |
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Originally Posted By Frens: All the MT series came with a 223 labeled box but they were 5.56 Colt wouldn’t be the first to mark stuff as 223 just to comply with our stupid law but still making true 556 guns https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTD9ft4KqLWIOrg3u1Ww344f9_d-8YuGIZd4Q&usqp=CAU The SPORTER (blue label / "tweeners" from 1989 to 1994) had lowers marked 223 but barrels marked 5.56. |
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Originally Posted By HipSh0T: Right but what are the barrels marked? That's what really matters on AR15's at least, I'm not super familiar with the AUG or Helion. Of the 3 I named I only own the AUG. I’ve only saw pics of the Bren and Hellion. For the Hellion there’s a similar thread on the Bullpup board. The AUG Barrel is marked 223 but it’s acutually 5.56 One of my Colt had the NATO marking sanitized with multiple XXX. My other surplus gun a M16A1 and Galil SAR converted to semiauto.. the barrels are unmarked but the importer added the 223R.. It’s just a matter of being politically correct.. that’s why I don’t trust a CS guy. If theyre in fact 223 then I will hurry up and buy a 556 socom barrel this weekend 
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776: I just checked and AU still has 235 in stock. They’re not selling fast. I wonder if the 223 chamber is the reason. I was ready to buy, but after finding out about the possible 223 chamber I put it on hold. I am glad I did as the Candian Colt deal came up and it was higher up on my list of things to acquire. |
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776: I just checked and AU still has 235 in stock. They’re not selling fast. I wonder if the 223 chamber is the reason. Forgive me if this is a stupid question......... Is the novelty behind these guns the stamped barrel and BCG with the serial numbers (specifically)? |
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Originally Posted By doolz: Forgive me if this is a stupid question......... Is the novelty behind these guns the stamped barrel and BCG with the serial numbers (specifically)? Originally Posted By doolz: Originally Posted By GaryT1776: I just checked and AU still has 235 in stock. They’re not selling fast. I wonder if the 223 chamber is the reason. Forgive me if this is a stupid question......... Is the novelty behind these guns the stamped barrel and BCG with the serial numbers (specifically)? Did you even bother to read the first few posts? Try this |
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So, after an ordering snafu that was my fault, my chamber gage arrived from Ned Christensen's (M-Guns). Here is the instruction sheet with the gage laying on the left side.Attached File The key take away from the instruction sheet is: "drop the gage in. If the gage's shoulder "clinks" off the shoulder of the chamber and the gage drops or pulls free without sticking or resistance, you have a chamber that is 5.56mm NATO. If the gage goes in and wants to stick, as in, you let it in and it pulls with a little resistance, or you try to and turn itbut it doesn't turn freely, you are short of 5.56 NATO and probably have a .223 chamber." Here is the business end of the gage. Attached File This image is the gage being dropped by gravity into the chamber vertically. Attached File This last image is me holding the upper receiver upside down with the gage remaining in the chamber unaided by me. Attached File The reasonable assumption to draw from this is that the chamber is .223 since a 5.56mm specification gage fits tightly and does not drop free unaided. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: So, after an ordering snafu that was my fault, my chamber gage arrived from Ned Christensen's (M-Guns). Here is the instruction sheet with the gage laying on the left side.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/20230605_201845_jpg-2841600.JPG The key take away from the instruction sheet is: "drop the gage in. If the gage's shoulder "clinks" off the shoulder of the chamber and the gage drops or pulls free without sticking or resistance, you have a chamber that is 5.56mm NATO. If the gage goes in and wants to stick, as in, you let it in and it pulls with a little resistance, or you try to and turn itbut it doesn't turn freely, you are short of 5.56 NATO and probably have a .223 chamber." Here is the business end of the gage. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/FB_IMG_1686015414375_jpg-2841607.JPG This image is the gage being dropped by gravity into the chamber vertically. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/FB_IMG_1686015419023_jpg-2841611.JPG This last image is me holding the upper receiver upside down with the gage remaining in the chamber unaided by me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/336740/FB_IMG_1686015425861_jpg-2841613.JPG The reasonable assumption to draw from this is that the chamber is .223 since a 5.56mm specification gage fits tightly and does not drop free unaided. Thank you sir. |
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