Posted: 1/25/2023 8:58:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: whiplash10][Edited]
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Was really excited to try out the new grid for the V800, but am pretty bummed. After trying multiple guns in here, and making a relief cut in the foam grid, have determined that this design won't accommodate any precision gun with a mid to high end optic on it. Nightforce NX8, ATACR, MK5, Razor, Zero Compromise, etc. are all no-go due to how high the grid puts the gun in the case. lid needs to be forced closed, is bowing out, seal looks compromised at that point, etc. And according to Magpul, no plans to revise the grid or bottom foam design (and yes I used the Magpul-supplied bottom foam). Their new LR53 case also has 0.5" less headspace than a V800, so unless design/sizing is revised, it'll be a bigger problem then.    Apart from that issue, the system itself is nice. Dividers are super easy to move around/configure and the grid foam will offer protection while being configurable. 
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So if it has to compress the grid foam to accommodate your optic that’s a bad thing? Isn’t that how foam structures provide protection for such things? |
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Originally Posted By hockeysew: So if it has to compress the grid foam to accommodate your optic that’s a bad thing? Grid foam isn't easy to compress. And it's a bad thing where that compression is to the point where it bends the lid so not doesn't seal and is near impossible to get closed. |
| I noticed that when I saw the first product video. they are wasting a ton of space. why not put thinner foam under the system? |
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Originally Posted By slappomatt: I noticed that when I saw the first product video. they are wasting a ton of space. why not put thinner foam under the system? No idea, if you use the thinnest foam that comes with the Vault V800...then everything is kosher. But for some reason they explicitly say you have to use their included base foam. Weird. |
| @whiplash10 Thanks for trying out DAKA GRID — the design balances out reconfigurability with protection that dictates some of the approach that had to be taken, namely a level of compression that will accommodate a wide variety of setups from thin to thicker. While you will see bowing on the case, unless there is other interference closer to the side walls, the seal around the case edge will still be maintained, but you will need to push down a bit harder on the Vault case lid to close. Having said this, we are looking at options for different base foam option that will be more accepting of wider turrets, if you’re open to it, we’d like to send you some base foam options to test out. Let us know. |
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To add, the system provides the best protection with a good level of compression, although even at lower levels of compression it still exceeds the protection provided by dumb foam. The flexible polyethylene construction of the vault cases in many instances show case lid bowing even when empty, but in any event, the softer material will likely show some deflection in order to achieve the best levels of protection. The seal stays as closed as it is on the case normally, even with significant deflection. The molding warpage of the case lid itself will show gaps in the overlap--and it does this on the vaults in many cases even when empty--but the seal is still engaged until silly levels of compression. The admonition against using other foam is largely to prevent someone from using something too thin, as without some compression on the DAKA GRID blocks, the level of protection is lessened. As long as there is good compression, thinner foam can be used. For larger items with protrusion, you can cut a relief in the GRID panel, as you have done, and you can even remove an entire middle panel, so long as the firearm is effectlvely blocked/supported on the remaining panels. Cutting the GRID base panel is certainly not ideal, but even with some reliefs cut for various setups, you can still configure and reconfigure around them without interference. If you want, you will also be able to get replacement panels direct. We'll be making a usage tips video in the coming days to show how we accommodated items of various widths with the existing foam configuration during testing. That said...as mentioned in the initial official response, we prioritized protection in test drops with accelerometer measurements, which worked best with higher levels of compression, over ease of accommodating wider items. We absolutely put quite wide systems into vault and our cases during testing using the techniques we'll show in the video, but...in reality...the level of protection provided with a little less compression is still vastly more protective than regular foam, so we are working on an even more adaptable configuration, and will do everything possible to make sure that current purchasers have an experience that works for their needs. So, buy with confidence. That said...I believe that once you see the configuration videos, 99% of users will be good with the current system as shipped. Until you get into configurations with both lights and side mounted lasers, etc., the system is accommodating-- I put my MM21E with ATACR into the system during testing. With polypropylene cases, like 1700 series and our DAKA Hard cases, the system compresses with less lid deflection, and will naturally fit wider items with appropriate levels of compression, but we're making sure those compression levels are appropriately adjustable, as well. |
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Originally Posted By WH_Magpul: @whiplash10 Thanks for trying out DAKA GRID — the design balances out reconfigurability with protection that dictates some of the approach that had to be taken, namely a level of compression that will accommodate a wide variety of setups from thin to thicker. While you will see bowing on the case, unless there is other interference closer to the side walls, the seal around the case edge will still be maintained, but you will need to push down a bit harder on the Vault case lid to close. Having said this, we are looking at options for different base foam option that will be more accepting of wider turrets, if you’re open to it, we’d like to send you some base foam options to test out. Let us know. That would be great, for now I'm using a thinner piece of bottom foam that originally came with the V800 but realizing this may not be the best solution. Really excited to hear that there may be some design additions to allow for PR type guns. Obviously in this case, no pun intended, my main concern is the optic since it's worth more than my first car. With the lid deflection, concern is that that side/turret will take the brunt of the impact from the lid-side during rough handling. Some of the bowing/deflection might also be due to the flimsier Vault case. Definitely would prefer to be rocking the 1750 I already have but bought the Vault case explicitly to check out this product with since that's what it released for. |
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Originally Posted By whiplash10: That would be great, for now I'm using a thinner piece of bottom foam that originally came with the V800 but realizing this may not be the best solution. Really excited to hear that there may be some design additions to allow for PR type guns. Obviously in this case, no pun intended, my main concern is the optic since it's worth more than my first car. With the lid deflection, concern is that that side/turret will take the brunt of the impact from the lid-side during rough handling. Some of the bowing/deflection might also be due to the flimsier Vault case. Definitely would prefer to be rocking the 1750 I already have but bought the Vault case explicitly to check out this product with since that's what it released for. Got your dm and responded. We will get you squared away. |
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