Originally Posted By ChandlerKJ:
I've owned a few different NVG systems, used them for a considerable time in the army and like to read a lot before I buy.
I said this before to another guy in the community a little while back: I'm so offput by the fact that no one can get a straight answer on anything NVG related. It's like the used car sales atmosphere of the firearms/whatever industry. It's extremely discouraging. The problem is that it's not a $12 magazine or a $80 trigger or even a $1400 upper. It's multiple thousands of dollars that people are going to spend and expect a certain return from it.
I think part of this is that NVG is a super niche, high cost endeavor for most and the customers are slim pickings. So everyone is trying to sell their shit. Couple this with the fact that a lot of the performance data is understood by so few. I mean we can look up what a good performance number should be and gauge that to our sheet that came with our unit but most of us do t have 20 sets of 14s to look through to compare before we buy.
Finally, we are often asked to plop down our cash on the word that this shit is better than that shit without any try before you buy or comparison or whatever. Then, we are asked to wait sometimes weeks before we actually get our new unit and hope we made the right choice.
It's ripe for dishonesty. Make sure you are careful here. I'm not accusing anyone or any vendor of dishonesty but it only adds the the ambiguity of the purchase.
Maybe, as the most prominent leaders in the commercial NVG arena, you all come up with a way to allow us to make better informed decisions. I mean I can't just walk into a local ffl and try out NVG. Perhaps less of the back and forth rhetoric and more commercial sales solutions would be a force multiplier to your businesses. Just my $.02.
Throwing back to perhaps the greatest post I've read online
you get the photonis because your bino bridge will break before your tube does. What difference is a ten vs two year warranty when most the shit that goes wrong is user error? Let me repeat this for the stubborn in the back:
Are you a normal, thoughtful, reasonable person? Then go Gen 2 because Gen 3 is a disposable item and designed to make cucked up pieces of shit like L3 monies for decades. Gen 2 won't break. Gen 2 is better oob. Gen 2 is the future. Gen 3, is shitty.
Unless you're doing star gazing or science, tits through a window are pretty much the same in green, chrome (cyborg titties best titties) thin filmed, thick filmed for her pleasure or no film because you like space herpes.
You guys are aware they burn tubes in house to error check them before shipping right? Probably for longer than any of you use them the next year after the first month of omg I apex now. Your tubes will break if you do these things:
1: leave them on when you shouldn't
2: live in an environment composed of helium
3: you bought L3 shit and they bent you over with the promise of high specs and gucci shit but failed to tell you in reality no one gives a fuck and all tubes dim, dipshit. Your specs last a year, less under real usage.
4: you drop them and you didn't buy Gen 2. Bonus if you have a panic attack, post here, realize it's just debris. That poor dude was probably beating himself up so hard over that.
If something was going to go wrong when they make a tube, they rip the top off, sell it without markings and who gives a fuck since most of you are waaaay to involved in giving a fuck about specs so you'd never buy it anyway. Overpaying is the new/old status symbol I guess. You even think that tubes aren't disposable pieces of shit designed to line the pockets of L3. The funny thing is in the NVG business, telling the truth costs you money.
Also, RNVG looks cool as shit. For those of you wondering why it's priced so cheap, it's because it's cheap as fuck to produce as ALL HOUSINGS ARE (ie ur getting played fam, the designs are mostly shit and the usage of epoxy is criminal) and the idea that any of you would even know the difference between f1.2 - f1.3. it's like +- 5% anyway. Tolerances are a bitch.
Blaming glass is so laughable. The Chinese glass is better anyway. You're going to lose more light from the shitty PVS 14 coatings than you would if you just cut the fucking glass yourself with a screwdriver. Milspec glass is shit. You know what an import objective and ocular lens costs? Don't look, you'll hate yourself for overpaying and paying for reduced specs.
Every fucking time in these threads. Look, your eyeballs can't tell the difference and if they could, use more IR. Specs only matter to astronomers and fanbois. Your friend you show won't even know how to set the ocular properly so who gives a flying fuck about 64 vs 72 vs 2200 and 18um series whatever. You. Won't. Be. Able. To. Tell. Also, Photonis is the future. L3 are cucks and should suck a dick.
Seriously bad tubes are obvious. You're not going to get that from any of the major vendors here, even the verboten ones. You guys are worse than gear whores. No one knows or cares the fom formula when you take them out. They just see in the dark. Like you will. If you would just stop being so easily duped into caring about trivial shit like specs once they get past a certain level. You're not a scientist or astronomer, you're Gary, a semisuccesful middleclass guy who puts ten hours a year on your tubes but worries about a ten year warranty vs a two year warranty. Holy shit stop.
Also, whomst makes the RNVG and others:
STOP PUTTING ONBOARD IR LIGHTS, IT'S STUPID, IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE AND MATERIALS. THIS IS CURRENT YEAR +3, PUT A FUCKIN RHEOSTAT THERE BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ABC WHEN STAR GAZING. NO ONE.
Love u my dudes. Just you all scare off the normal folks with buzzwords that don't mean shit. Stop it.
Also TNVC is kinda salty lately. I'm sorry you're salty fam, cheer up.