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| It seems like Larry Vickers had a role with DD early 2008-9. But does anyone know if he had anything to do with the newer R3 design? I have a very strict anti Larry Vickers policy myself and one of the reason I stay away from Wilson combat products even though I like some of it. I heard he is away from Wilson now but not entirely sure from which of their products. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: It seems like Larry Vickers had a role with DD early 2008-9. But does anyone know if he had anything to do with the newer R3 design? I have a very strict anti Larry Vickers policy myself and one of the reason I stay away from Wilson combat products even though I like some of it. I heard he is away from Wilson now but not entirely sure from which of their products. Vickers “role” with DD was limited to spokesperson for marking and providing some end user feedback. Pretty much the same with Wilson. |
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Originally Posted By Terp: You pee sitting down and have *special* pronouns, don't you? Mods can we do something about these posts in tech and industry forums???? OP I believe vickers role was mostly being the face for marketing for a bit. Some of the stuff like slings from BFG I believe he had a role in design but other than that they are just packages offered to upsell. |
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Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: Mods can we do something about these posts in tech and industry forums???? OP I believe vickers role was mostly being the face for marketing for a bit. Some of the stuff like slings from BFG I believe he had a role in design but other than that they are just packages offered to upsell. Okay thanks for the confirmation. Ha, I figure it would draw some hate from the Larry Vickers fans. Probably a throwaway account. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: Okay thanks for the confirmation. Ha, I figure it would draw some hate from the Larry Vickers fans. Probably a throwaway account. It's not you man. I've noticed the last three weeks or so the tech threads have been looking like general discussion. |
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To answer OP's question: Larry Vickers worked under contract for DD from roughly 2008-2012. He has been with BCM since. While the RIII prototypes have been around for a while (the first pics appeared on the gunternet circa ~2018), that was long after LAV left DD. Originally Posted By HCM3156: Vickers “role” with DD was limited to spokesperson for marking and providing some end user feedback. Pretty much the same with Wilson. Everything I've heard about the M4V1 (the original DDM4 rifle) is that Larry Vickers more-or-less came up with the specs. There's at least one old magazine article which claims that he also came up with the DD A1.5 rear sight design, originally for the M4V1 (and we know that he's said in various places that he doesn't like the A2-style rear sight). |
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Larry was a consultant and brand ambassador for us a long time ago. As VP15 already stated, circa 2008-2012. He's not been involved with any product design or DD business since then. I appreciate the reply. Good to hear Larry didn't have anything to do with it. I don't know why I don't like the guy but just something seems off about him and his recent felony arrest seems to confirm that he's really not looking out for the gun industry as he claims. He says he does a lot for the firearm industry but yet I haven't heard of a single thing he did to protect people's right. At least DD is trying to do something to help. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: It seems like Larry Vickers had a role with DD early 2008-9. But does anyone know if he had anything to do with the newer R3 design? I have a very strict anti Larry Vickers policy myself and one of the reason I stay away from Wilson combat products even though I like some of it. I heard he is away from Wilson now but not entirely sure from which of their products. Seems like an odd personal policy. Apparantly he screwed up legally, but he certainly isn't anti gun. His Vickers 1911 mags are the best magazines ever.... |
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: Seems like an odd personal policy. Apparantly he screwed up legally, but he certainly isn't anti gun. His Vickers 1911 mags are the best magazines ever.... You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. |
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Attached File Originally Posted By dalle0001: I appreciate the reply. Good to hear Larry didn't have anything to do with it. I don't know why I don't like the guy but just something seems off about him and his recent felony arrest seems to confirm that he's really not looking out for the gun industry as he claims. He says he does a lot for the firearm industry but yet I haven't heard of a single thing he did to protect people's right. At least DD is trying to do something to help. Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By Marler5811: Larry was a consultant and brand ambassador for us a long time ago. As VP15 already stated, circa 2008-2012. He's not been involved with any product design or DD business since then. I appreciate the reply. Good to hear Larry didn't have anything to do with it. I don't know why I don't like the guy but just something seems off about him and his recent felony arrest seems to confirm that he's really not looking out for the gun industry as he claims. He says he does a lot for the firearm industry but yet I haven't heard of a single thing he did to protect people's right. At least DD is trying to do something to help. So you don’t think Vickers helps the 2nd amendment but fully support DD? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: Seems like an odd personal policy. Apparantly he screwed up legally, but he certainly isn't anti gun. His Vickers 1911 mags are the best magazines ever.... You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. I think his time in Delta seperates him from any Steven Seagal reference.... I land on his side. I have always liked the information he puts out, and honestly, the laws he "broke" shouldn't exist anyway. We are certainly free to differ on this. |
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: I think his time in Delta seperates him from any Steven Seagal reference.... I land on his side. I have always liked the information he puts out, and honestly, the laws he "broke" shouldn't exist anyway. We are certainly free to differ on this. Sure, but I'm not alone in my thoughts about Larry Vickers. The guy doesn't sit right with a lot of folks out there. Just because he's in the military doesn't mean he can't be a shill. Just something about the guy doesn't seem right to me. |
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Originally Posted By Wyominer: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/2OcFu56-590.gif So you don’t think Vickers helps the 2nd amendment but fully support DD? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/2OcFu56-590.gif I mean as I said, just something about Larry just rubs on me wrong. I'm not sure what and it's not saying DD is better other than if Larry was involved with their stuff, I probably wouldn't want it. My opinion is purely based on his online shows and products, but I guess if I met him in person and listened to him talk, my opinion might change. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. Originally Posted By dalle0001: You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. I agree that yes, Larry Vickers was getting away (up until recently) with NFA item acquisitions that very much illustrate the "rules for thee, but not for me" attitude of the elites. That being said, I don't think he deserves to be dinged simply for not openly agitating against anti-2A legislation. As a GunTuber myself (albeit a marginal one compared to LAV), I don't really take the attitude that all of our members who operate in the public space have some sort of moral obligation to partake in 2A activism. People like LAV are encouraging the growth of the community simply by showing off weapons and educating folks on them, and that benefits us just as much as channels like Four Boxes Diner or Washington Gun Law that focus more on the legislative side. I also don't see how LAV is the Steven Seagal of the gun world, given his bonafides. Seagal is also a far more egotistical personality than LAV has ever been. Originally Posted By Wyominer: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/2OcFu56-590.gif So you don’t think Vickers helps the 2nd amendment but fully support DD? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/2OcFu56-590.gif Yeah, I was gonna say...DD themselves have plenty of detractors due to their previous support of Fix NICS. (Though IMHO, they were treated unfairly by the 2A community, and Marty Daniel already apologized, so it's stupid for so many folks to continue hold a grudge against them.) |
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Originally Posted By VigilantPanda15: I agree that yes, Larry Vickers was getting away (up until recently) with NFA item acquisitions that very much illustrate the "rules for me, but not for thee" attitude of the elites. That being said, I don't think he deserves to be dinged simply for not openly agitating against anti-2A legislation. As a GunTuber myself (albeit a marginal one compared to LAV), I don't really take the attitude that all of our members who operate in the public space have some sort of moral obligation to partake in 2A activism. People like LAV are encouraging the growth of the community simply by showing off weapons and educating folks on them, and that benefits us just as much as channels like Four Boxes Diner or Washington Gun Law that focus more on the legislative side. I also don't see how LAV is the Steven Seagal of the gun world, given his bonafides. Seagal is also a far more egotistical personality than LAV has ever been. Yeah, I was gonna say...DD themselves have plenty of detractors due to their previous support of Fix NICS. (Though IMHO, they were treated unfairly by the 2A community, and Marty Daniel already apologized, so it's stupid for so many folks to continue hold a grudge against them.) Originally Posted By VigilantPanda15: I agree that yes, Larry Vickers was getting away (up until recently) with NFA item acquisitions that very much illustrate the "rules for me, but not for thee" attitude of the elites. That being said, I don't think he deserves to be dinged simply for not openly agitating against anti-2A legislation. As a GunTuber myself (albeit a marginal one compared to LAV), I don't really take the attitude that all of our members who operate in the public space have some sort of moral obligation to partake in 2A activism. People like LAV are encouraging the growth of the community simply by showing off weapons and educating folks on them, and that benefits us just as much as channels like Four Boxes Diner or Washington Gun Law that focus more on the legislative side. I also don't see how LAV is the Steven Seagal of the gun world, given his bonafides. Seagal is also a far more egotistical personality than LAV has ever been. Yeah, I was gonna say...DD themselves have plenty of detractors due to their previous support of Fix NICS. (Though IMHO, they were treated unfairly by the 2A community, and Marty Daniel already apologized, so it's stupid for so many folks to continue hold a grudge against them.) The only qualification Larry Vickers has is that he's former delta force. But the thing that makes him really stand out on a sore thumb for me is his many claims he made on the website. Including his so-called involvements with the many innovative products but he's just one of the consultants of the project and not the key person that he's making them out to be. Also, none of his videos are educational that you're claiming to be. Did you forget his Fireclean video where he tried to use two different ammo? And the other videos that he taken down after backlash from the community. He's only showing those full auto videos and cut out, of guns that he acquired illegally, and really did nothing significant to get people involved. If anything, his videos could easily be shown as to why they need the NFA considering none of them are educational or aiding in people to become involved. On his website, he made this claim: Daniel Defense: I helped in a small way to bring the Daniel Defense M4 Carbine to the market. Which I guess goes along with what is being said here. But he has a lot more claims on the site that seems wild. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: The only qualification Larry Vickers has is that he's former delta force. But the thing that makes him really stand out on a sore thumb for me is his many claims he made on the website. Including his so-called involvements with the many innovative products but he's just one of the consultants of the project and not the key person that he's making them out to be. Also, none of his videos are educational that you're claiming to be. Did you forget his Fireclean video where he tried to use two different ammo? And the other videos that he taken down after backlash from the community. He's only showing those full auto videos and cut out, of guns that he acquired illegally, and really did nothing significant to get people involved. If anything, his videos could easily be shown as to why they need the NFA considering none of them are educational or aiding in people to become involved. I dunno, I don't really pay attention to his web site (I just follow him on IG and YouTube). I'm not saying you're wrong about some of the videos, but even if you're right about him, I don't see why you'd refuse to buy an RIII rifle based on its (in this case, non-existent) connection to LAV. Your dislike of him just seems a bit too vehement to a point of bordering on irrationality, and DD shouldn't be guilty by virtue of a (very old) association with him. I have one of the original DD M4V1 uppers (the one that LAV helped design back in 2008-09) - should I lose it in a boating accident because LAV had some role in its design (whatever that role might have been)? |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: You know I'll be honest I find it weird myself. But just something about that guy really rubs me the wrong way. The problem with his legal problems is that he's doing things that elites get away with. The only reason he's in trouble is because he made someone mad and that person was powerful enough to bring charges against him. Otherwise, a lot of the same people get away with what he's doing. Other than that he claims to be a part of every piece of history on his website yet nothing he did was ever for the 2A community and it turns out he played a much smaller role than he's claiming. He's like the Steven Seagal of the gun world. You don't like the guy because he got screwed? And calling a guy at Black Hawk Down a wanna be like Steven Seagal doesn't make any sense to me either. Edit: Your follow up saying Larry's only qualification is he was in Delta Force is like saying the only qualification Dale Earnhardt had regarding cars was his Nascar career. |
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: I think his time in Delta seperates him from any Steven Seagal reference.... I land on his side. I have always liked the information he puts out, and honestly, the laws he "broke" shouldn't exist anyway. We are certainly free to differ on this. I second this post. Not that it matters. Interesting thread and thought processes |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:I mean as I said, just something about Larry just rubs on me wrong. I'm not sure what and it's not saying DD is better other than if Larry was involved with their stuff, I probably wouldn't want it. That is some majorly weak tea right there. Personally, I'd be embarrassed to disparage a person and not have at least something significant to back it up. Pray that others don't hold you to your standards. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: Sure, but I'm not alone in my thoughts about Larry Vickers. The guy doesn't sit right with a lot of folks out there. Just because he's in the military doesn't mean he can't be a shill. Just something about the guy doesn't seem right to me. Your obsession with Larry seems kind of strange to me. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Your obsession with Larry seems kind of strange to me. Agree on the strangeness. OP was saying same type of things in a Cherry Balmz lubricant thread too. Pasted below. I got their email too! I realize they have a Larry Vickers video up on their web site about over lubrication and as such cannot recommend them anymore. I have a strict personal rule that any time I see a product with Larry Vickers on it, I discontinue use of that product. |