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8/23/2004 10:37:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited]
These are pics from the REAL source of SPRs, I was only invited for the weekend, these have nothing to do with me or adco.
If you see a pic of an SPR in action, this is where it came from, and what it went through.

Lots of little things done to test/prep the barrel, and other small parts but that’s boring........




Gotta have barrels


And upper receivers


Torque, check and retorque the barrel nut


Install the gas block and gas tube


Install the locking pins for the FF RAS






Tighten the screws on the gas block


Install the OPS INC collar


Snug up the OPS INC brake


Check headspace


Uppers ready to test fire(note lack of fancy bolt carrier)


Load the mags



Locate the targets, 12” steel plates 340yds into the woods, through the leaves.


Test fire!


Bore sight? Nope, a team scope works just fine, follow the trace and correct as necessary.



Looking at the shooting position from the target area.


After a successful test firing, the OPS thread protector is installed and they are ready to go.




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8/23/2004 10:46:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vinesr6][Edited] [#1]
Nice pics, darn do you have one pic with the ss barrel for comparison. By the way I sent my order last 2 days ago. Thanks. Larue Forend on your way via Grant (G&R Tactical). That's a lot of uppers are those all spoken for?

Mel
8/23/2004 10:47:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Great post and pics!
8/23/2004 10:55:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Holy shit, you guys sell a lot of uppers!
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8/23/2004 10:57:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited] [#4]

Originally Posted By Vinesr6:
Nice pics, darn do you have one pic with the ss barrel for comparison. By the way I sent my order last 2 days ago. Thanks. Larue Forend on your way via Grant (G&R Tactical). That's a lot of uppers are those all spoken for?

Mel



some pics of SS here - http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=190126&w=searchPop


The barrels pictured above are not mine, they are the real deal, on their way the real Operators. The ones I list are just look a likes, and very similar.
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8/24/2004 8:01:27 AM EDT
[#5]
I miss all the fun.
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8/24/2004 9:24:47 AM EDT
[#6]
shooting at the tin can too eh'


cool
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8/24/2004 10:48:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Can this source sell the real deal to civilians?  
8/24/2004 10:58:28 AM EDT
[#8]
Steve,

What process do they use to insure the OPS INC brake is properly indexed?  
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
8/24/2004 11:01:25 AM EDT
[#9]
Looked like in another pic they used crush washers with the brakes.  On a trial fit with a clone barrel, I thought using a crush washer didn't allow the muzzle to be in the proper location very close to the baffle chamber.  
8/24/2004 11:07:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited] [#10]

Originally Posted By stony275:
Steve,

What process do they use to insure the OPS INC brake is properly indexed?  



The crush washer is test fit, and when necessary(usually necessary) material is removed from crushwasher until the brake is just "snug", then 262 holds it in place.  Theres actually a long story behind that - I'll have to fill you in when you get back. BTW - this is the Cmdrs friends place.
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8/24/2004 1:47:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Interesting stuff.....thanks for sharing Steve.  
8/24/2004 1:53:12 PM EDT
[#12]
It must really suck, having to zero those rifles all the time.  I'm sure he gets tired of it.

If I didn't like my job roofing and pouring asphalt in August, I would send in an Application for Employment...



Thanks for sharing the process.  Glad they're going to good use.
8/24/2004 10:54:56 PM EDT
[#13]

Originally Posted By TheRicker:
I miss all the fun.



Now that is a bitch of a thing to have to miss.


Originally Posted By bigbore:
262 holds it in place



262?  
8/24/2004 11:31:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ar-jedi][Edited] [#14]

Originally Posted By adh:

Originally Posted By bigbore:
262 holds it in place



262?  



loctite 262 threadlocker.  pictured below sitting on the vise.  once it sets up you usually have to heat the crap out of it to get the part back off.  in general, use loctite "blue" if you want to get it back off sometime without too much trouble (e.g. scope mounts and the like), and loctite "red" if you *never* want it coming off by itself (trailer hitch ball is a good example).

ar-jedi

8/25/2004 7:37:09 AM EDT
[#15]
where does one get a job test firing those?!
8/25/2004 8:52:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Absolutely outstanding!




If your not shooting, you should be moving. If your not moving, you should be reloading. Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch
8/25/2004 9:16:03 PM EDT
[#17]

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Absolutely outstanding!


AMEN
8/25/2004 10:10:33 PM EDT
[#18]
Bigbore,
So you went to Vince's ranch. Cool photos. Thanks for sharing. I should make a trip one of these days.


8/25/2004 10:25:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited] [#19]

Originally Posted By hycheng:
Bigbore,
So you went to Vince's ranch. Cool photos. Thanks for sharing. I should make a trip one of these days.





I can only hope to someday own a house on top of a mountain with 100+ acres of back yard.
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8/26/2004 1:26:21 AM EDT
[#20]
Did u get a chance to check out his M1 collection ?
8/26/2004 8:25:44 AM EDT
[#21]

Originally Posted By hycheng:
Did u get a chance to check out his M1 collection ?



I also collect M1s, so of course!
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8/26/2004 11:17:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: adh][Edited] [#22]
so after your visit, will you be changing anything you do with your SPR builds?

BTW thanks for the 411 on the 262
8/27/2004 10:07:53 AM EDT
[#23]

Originally Posted By adh:
so after your visit, will you be changing anything you do with your SPR builds?

BTW thanks for the 411 on the 262



It changed how I'll be building them. I learned several new tricks to make things easier.
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8/27/2004 3:28:26 PM EDT
[#24]
What's required to install the suppressor collar?  It looks like he's using an allen wrench to drive a screw home.  If so, do the barrels need to be drilled to accept the screws?
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8/27/2004 4:11:29 PM EDT
[#25]

Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
What's required to install the suppressor collar?  It looks like he's using an allen wrench to drive a screw home.  If so, do the barrels need to be drilled to accept the screws?



A set screw and 262.  The barrels dont have anything special for attaching the collar, just a step in the contour for it to mount up against to insure proper placement.
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8/27/2004 8:43:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Thanks for sharing.  

Saw alot of Mod 1s (nearly all unless I missed one somewhere).  Somebody else do the Mod 0s?
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This post edited for typos and grammatical errors.
8/27/2004 9:06:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited] [#27]

Originally Posted By mongo001:
Thanks for sharing.  

Saw alot of Mod 1s (nearly all unless I missed one somewhere).  Somebody else do the Mod 0s?



Nobody does MOD 0s. About 1 in 3 of the SPRs in use are Mod 0s.
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9/4/2004 1:42:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Bigbore, Any chance of you getting more of the "Real Deal" uppers in stock?




If your not shooting, you should be moving. If your not moving, you should be reloading. Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch
9/4/2004 6:04:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Is this where the upper you sold to Grant came from?
9/4/2004 6:19:47 PM EDT
[#30]

Originally Posted By sjauch:
Is this where the upper you sold to Grant came from?



It sure is.
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9/5/2004 5:28:01 PM EDT
[#31]
I want one!




If your not shooting, you should be moving. If your not moving, you should be reloading. Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch
9/5/2004 5:36:42 PM EDT
[#32]

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By sjauch:
Is this where the upper you sold to Grant came from?



It sure is.



Lucky me
9/6/2004 4:41:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: canters][Edited] [#33]

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Bigbore, Any chance of you getting more of the "Real Deal" uppers in stock?



What he said. I want one too.
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11/5/2004 9:36:58 AM EDT
[#34]
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1/5/2005 9:31:43 PM EDT
[#35]
Bigbore, what upper receivers and barrels did he use when you visited?



If your not shooting, you should be moving. If your not moving, you should be reloading. Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch
1/5/2005 9:33:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Hmmmmmmmmmmm............  I love this thread.
[Mongo]Mongo like candy.

This post edited for typos and grammatical errors.

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1/5/2005 9:39:54 PM EDT
[#37]

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Bigbore, what upper receivers and barrels did he use when you visited?



Colt receivers, Douglas barrels.
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1/5/2005 9:48:27 PM EDT
[#38]

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:
Bigbore, what upper receivers and barrels did he use when you visited?



Colt receivers, Douglas barrels.



10-4 and thanks bigbore. I just sent you and email for a Mod1 build.



If your not shooting, you should be moving. If your not moving, you should be reloading. Clint Smith - Thunder Ranch
1/6/2005 12:26:47 AM EDT
[#39]
What about the bolt groups, still using the M16A1 bolt group out of the "host weapon"?
1/6/2005 3:34:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AK_Mike][Edited] [#40]
Nitpicking and perhaps just my ignorance but I thought for proper torque one had to use the torque wrench 90deg to the barrel wrench?

Any mods or thread locker under the handguardRAS nut?  I've heard of some coming loose (mine actually did).  I heard they were drilling and set screwing the nut in the field and that they might now be put together with thread locker.

He's checking headspace - does that mean he doesn't use fitted bolts?

Thanks for the pics, it's nice to see where my SPR came from.
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1/6/2005 7:14:34 AM EDT
[#41]

Originally Posted By Ekie:
What about the bolt groups, still using the M16A1 bolt group out of the "host weapon"?



Nope, new standarg GI M16 bolts go in the new upper.
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1/6/2005 7:31:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bigbore][Edited] [#42]

Originally Posted By AK_Mike:
Nitpicking and perhaps just my ignorance but I thought for proper torque one had to use the torque wrench 90deg to the barrel wrench?



Sorry, those are somewhat posed pictures, and that may be after the nut was torqued..



Any mods or thread locker under the handguardRAS nut?  I've heard of some coming loose (mine actually did).



The Mod 0s had to have set screws attached for another reason(not my place to post why, sorry).  If there were reports of them coming lose in the field it would be well  known. (The real ones have a bit of a mystery substance on the threads.) Also at the request of the buyer, sometimes they werent assembled with loctite. -  I'm sure you can understand an AR owner wanting to be able to take his upper apart and swap something down the road.. If you bought a real one from someone else - yours may have been taken apart and reassembled before it was shipped it you. There was someone who got real uppers, took them apart and reverse engineered them to get all the specs to start selling them.




He's checking headspace - does that mean he doesn't use fitted bolts?



"Fitted bolt" is marketing to make something sound more than it is.  There is no such thing. If you purchase 10 barrels from a White Oak, or Compass lake, you will get 10 barrels and a bag with 10 bolts.  The barrel extensions are set to a minimum headspace, and the bolts are checked, but thats it.
Same goes for the real barrel if you have one - there was never a bolt fit to that specific barrel/extension.




I'm not supposed to eat the legos.
1/6/2005 9:38:36 AM EDT
[#43]

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By Ekie:
What about the bolt groups, still using the M16A1 bolt group out of the "host weapon"?



Nope, new standarg GI M16 bolts go in the new upper.



No kidding, must be using new purchased FNMI or Colt's bolts then?
1/6/2005 9:49:47 AM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By Ekie:


No kidding, must be using new purchased FNMI or Colt's bolts then?



Colt
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1/6/2005 10:25:15 AM EDT
[#45]

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By Ekie:


No kidding, must be using new purchased FNMI or Colt's bolts then?



Colt



OK, thanks for the info, I had just figured they were still using the old bolts that came with the lower.
4/29/2005 5:55:58 AM EDT
[#46]
Is the SPR barrel chambered to 5.56 or does it have a tighter chamber along the lines of the Wylde?

4/29/2005 6:15:49 AM EDT
[#47]

Originally Posted By FedDC:
Is the SPR barrel chambered to 5.56 or does it have a tighter chamber along the lines of the Wylde?




A modified AMU chamber
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4/29/2005 6:25:49 AM EDT
[#48]
Can you describe the modified AMU Chamber?  I'm guessing it's a tightened 5.56?  Is there a Spec for this?  
4/29/2005 6:47:02 AM EDT
[#49]

Originally Posted By FedDC:
Can you describe the modified AMU Chamber?  I'm guessing it's a tightened 5.56?  Is there a Spec for this?  



Sorry, the specs have not been made public. I dont have your answer.
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5/31/2005 11:53:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Not to be too nosey but where in Ohio are you located?? The hills you are shooting in look really familiar. thanks guy,
buc,

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