Bering Optics Super Yoter R Review (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 10/26/2021 12:32:02 PM EDT
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 Bering Optics Super Yoter R Specifications: You can view a list of the Super Yoter specifications here Review: You can read my review of the Super Yoter here Image Quality: The image quality of the Super Yoter R Prototype is impressive. The video recordings are impacted significantly as Bering Optics uses the highest compression ratio for recordings of any thermal brand I have used. This results in videos that are easier to share and edit. Although often said about many thermals, the view through the eyepiece is so much better than the recordings. In addition, I purposely record my evaluation videos in medium-high humidity conditions. The goal is to provide a fair representation of what end-users can expect to experience not create a marketing video. Price: $4,595. dzhitshard posted a video indicating a price of $4,495. However, in speaking with Bering yesterday, the MAP pricing is expected to be $4,595. Ordering: Night Goggles has a pre-order in with Bering and is starting a list of people who want one. If you want to be included on the list, please send an email to [email protected] or contact Carina at 909-312-5424 X331 who can provide details on the process. Availability: Bering is planning on an initial production run starting at the end of September. For people who receive thermals from the first production run, the current estimate would be delivery in October. Being on a list with Night Goggles (or any dealer), does not guarantee delivery by this time period. I would not recommend waiting until they are in-stock. Based on the demand for other Bering thermals and the excellence of this product, we unfortunately do not anticipate being able to keep them in-stock for some time. |
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I know the most common question will be how does it compare to the Super Hogster (SH). I talk about this a lot in the review as well as show it in the video. However, the following is a list of items that are unique or improved with the Super Yoter:
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Originally Posted By CTM1: That seems like a great price point for a 640 when 640's from some of the other companies are much higher. To bad they cannot incorporate a LRF into it. There are some hunters who want to measure body thickness, some ground to back, while others are ground to head. The Range Marks are customizable so it can really work with almost any weapon and most objects. If they can lower the incremental value adjustments < .1m, I will change that sentence to virtually any object. One thing this feature can do that a LRF cannot is help determine a trophy animal or a target animal size. If a person is hunting over bait for instance at a known distance, they can add this distance to the Range Marks, and then use the height measurement of the range marks to determine if the animal is a trophy class animal such as the head size of a bear or if they are targeting a specific hog size and list goes on. Many people attempt to do something similar using hashmarks, MOA, etc. I have never seen it implemented like this where the user has control over those parameters while the scope still functions as normal. It is a great feature. |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: What company makes the OLED display? The display is very crisp and passed a function test after 90 minutes in a freezer in my testing. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUy4VSQAn5kSpecifications: You can view a list of the Super Yoter specifications here Review: You can read my review of the Super Yoter Price: $4,595. dzhitshard posted a video indicating a price of $4,495. However, in speaking with Bering yesterday, the MAP pricing is expected to be $4,595. Howdy Kirsch : Excellent review as always ! Just wanted to credit the other video posted today was from my buddy Carpe Sus , we too have a prototype on hand and I have to agree with you that Bering hit a homer in with this scope. Let’s hope prices don’t shift higher in the coming months like everything else seems to be doing these days  Super Yoter-R - 1st Hunts With New Thermal |
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Originally Posted By dzhitshard: All of you industry pros flex on Bering and tell them users want the 16650 battery cap, pretty please. I know when using an external battery pack, a person has to deal with a cord, but a person can get a quality Anker battery pack and it can last you multiple nights of hunting. I can see it potentially being more applicable when using one as a scanner, but on a gun a battery pack is hard to beat. Just my .02 but as I said I will bring it up to Bering next time I talk to them. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I can mention it to them. However, I am fairly confident in what they will say. The Hogsters and Yoter are rated for 3.7V. However, Bering highly recommends using 3V CR123s or a 5V 2a battery pack instead of rechargeable 3.7V CR123s. The reason is the lack of consistency and regulation in the rechargeable battery market. Many batteries produce more voltage than 3.7, plus many of the chargers overcharge the batteries, and then add weapon recoil on top of this, and you have a recipe for trouble. I know when using an external battery pack, a person has to deal with a cord, but a person can get a quality Anker battery pack and it can last you multiple nights of hunting. I can see it potentially being more applicable when using one as a scanner, but on a gun a battery pack is hard to beat. Just my .02 but as I said I will bring it up to Bering next time I talk to them. I hate any cables. I don't hunt with anyone who hasn't had issues snagging them or fighting magnetic connectors at some point. I went quite a while without trouble but I was taking extreme care to baby it. Walking with a slung rifle for a mile &/or getting in & out of a vehicle a dozen or 2 times a night exposes them to plenty of opportunities to fail. I can see the argument against rechargabels in general but in reality cheap or counterfeit power packs run the same risk. To compound that the BMS circuitry in the power packs is likely more susceptible to failure from recoil, impact or environmental conditions than a comparable quality battery. |
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For people who read my posts and comments, you know how much I enjoy using the Super Hogster as well as the Hogsters and Phenom. There is nothing about the release of the Super Yoter that changes that. The Hogster line up is still a great "bang for your $" option in my opinion. Virtually all of the comments I have received on the image quality of the Super Yoter have been on how impressed people are especially for +70% humidity. However, there have been a few people who expressed to me they thought the image difference would probably be more especially on the black-hot comparison. The answer is it is. Video compression along with cramming multiple images down to fit on one screen makes the difference seem less. I had the image brightness turned down too far when recording the black hot portion for the SY. I had some additional video footage of the coyotes that I didn't use because as I started to record with the SY, the female left and the videos didn't match. However, here is a screenshot from the SY and the SH on the same night, same zoom (1x) and about 30 seconds apart. I think this image should illustrate there is a fairly significant difference in image detail between the two. I am not saying someone needs to have a 640 resolution scope to shoot coyotes as I proved the SH works just fine on over 300 coyotes last year. To many users, the image and additional features will be worth the $1,400 higher price tag, and to others, it will not be. I am glad there are choices. Super Yoter:  Super Hogster: 
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Originally Posted By Are-O-Be: Made a deposit on a Super Yoter R today. Supposed to be here mid October. This will be my first thermal, hope I made a good choice. |
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Originally Posted By HRoark87: Is there any reason this couldn't be used on a crossbow? |
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: IRay RH50 - you would have to have a look at this if you're looking at the Yoter R e.g. cheaper, higher resolution 640x518, large rechargeable quick change batteries each lasting 6 hours. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: GroundhogOZ, your comment confuses me. The iRay RH50 is almost $1,400 more than the Super YOter, so it is not cheaper. The resolution is stated as 640x480 just like the Super Yoter on every site I looked including the iRay website. With the battery, I can see the potential point, but $169 for a 6-hour battery that is a bit much. For $20, you can get an Anker 6700 battery that will run a Super Hogster or Yoter for 12-14 hours and swap it with another $20 battery if you need to. Yeah, I realize it is nice to be able to not have one cable or wire, but $169 for each 6 hour battery pack is steep. Some people like proprietary battery packs, and some people do not. I was thinking the same. Unless he knows of a hook up that I’m not aware of. |
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@koreykirsch The IR RH50 is going for ~ $4,300USD (converted from AUD) Spec is definitely 640x512 (at least this is what is stated on the spec sheet and in the manual) Pitch 12 microns FL 50mm base mag ~2.8 included 2 x 6 hour batteries ID range 180m, recognition 370m and detection ~ 1,480 @ 90% probability Link to info and manual - scroll down for manual  Certainly worth a look. |
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: @koreykirsch The IR RH50 is going for ~ $4,300USD (converted from AUD) Spec is definitely 640x512 (at least this is what is stated on the spec sheet and in the manual) Pitch 12 microns FL 50mm base mag ~2.8 included 2 x 6 hour batteries ID range 450m, recognition 890m and detection ~ 3,580 @ 90% probability Link to info and manual - scroll down for manual Certainly worth a look. You’re so right ! I priced round trip airfare (first class because I’m worth it) to Australia and the cost to become dual citizen and live abroad until the citizenship paperwork and ITAR export licenses and paperwork are cleared for me to bring the $ 4300 AUS to US converted unit back here to Texas USA. Amazing it only cost me $ 35000 It’s “worth” a look |
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Originally Posted By Are-O-Be: What is the recoil rating for the Super Yoter R? |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: There was no recoil rating listed in with the Super Yoter specs I received. However, all of the Bering Optics Hogster R models are .308 rated, so I have to assume the SY will be as well. Per Bering, in reality the Hogsters are rated to hold peak shock acceleration (parallel and perpendicular impacts) up to 1000G which is about two times more than .308 recoil may produce. However, Bering specs tend to under-promise and over-deliver so they list them as .308 rated. So I guess a AR10 in 7mm-08 is gtg then? |
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Originally Posted By Are-O-Be: So I guess a AR10 in 7mm-08 is gtg then? |
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The IR RH50 is going for ~ $4,300USD (converted from AUD) Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The IR RH50 is going for ~ $4,300USD (converted from AUD) Spec is definitely 640x512 (at least this is what is stated on the spec sheet and in the manual) It includes 2 batteries |
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Originally Posted By sjcshooter1: I used a pulsar apex on a crossbow for awhile and had no issues, so I would think the SY would be good to go too. It has a 4 yr warranty. Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I sent a message to Bering Optics to see if they’ve done any testing on crossbows. They have not. However, they said they have not received any failure reports associated with crossbow usage on their NV and thermals going all the way back to 1992. Appreciated. |
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Originally Posted By Are-O-Be: Made a deposit on a Super Yoter R today. Supposed to be here mid October. This will be my first thermal, hope I made a good choice. Did you do this on nightgoggles, or ? I've been to the site but can't find it. |
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Originally Posted By ggllggll: Did you do this on nightgoggles, or ? I've been to the site but can't find it. Contact Carina at 909-312-5424 X331. She can provide details on the process. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: (1) Conversion rates are not a good comparison especially in different countries. It needs to be compared in country and currency. $1,400 difference in US. (2) Bering and I went back and forth on this. The sensor in the Super Yoter is a 640x512 also. However, in actuality the useable vertical pixels on the screen when taking screen and other factors in consideration is 640x480. Bering lists it as 640x480 which is also what iRay is stating as well on their website. Bottom line is it isn't a difference in the two thermals. (3) Nice to see they include 2 batteries that is a nice option. (1) All you have to do is pay with your credit card (the conversion is done at that time) - its that simple - there are no restrictions to owning thermal or night vision in Australia - unless this is a restricted product in the US you can simply buy online. (2) I can only go with what is written on the spec sheet - if you read the the manual and official spec sheet - it does state 640x512, although I think your explanation is reasonable and may explain the difference between US and other market documentation. However, I also note the RH50 documentation specifically states a resolution of 640x512. Perhaps the US isn't getting the latest version of the RH50 and RL42.  (3) The batteries are great - it takes about two seconds to change them, clearly best in class (4) The included mount is excellent, well thought out, easy to change positions (5) the eye exit is 6mm - is as large or larger than than diameter of a human iris = very good (6) DRI (man) at 90% 1480m, 370m, 180m at 70% 2110m, 530m, 260, or at 50% if you like risk 2640m, 660m and 330m. In other words you can reliably bang out to ~ 400m and observe human sized objects out to ~2,500m. (7) They also make a direct attach, plug and play LRF - which displays in the scope.............range out to 1000m. Clearly a good option if you want to reach out in the dark. Its always good to test and review against the market and other options. More choice is a good thing. Think about it this way - you can buy a 60mm Triji and Raptar for 18k or buy a RH50 plus plug and play LRF for ~ 4.7k...........the latter package, represents fantastic bang for buck in the civilian market place.
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: Bering and I went back and forth on this. The sensor in the Super Yoter is a 640x512 also. However, in actuality the useable vertical pixels on the screen when taking screen and other factors in consideration is 640x480. Bering lists it as 640x480 which is also what iRay is stating as well on their website. Bottom line is it isn’t a difference in the two thermals. Can you explain a little more about this missing row of 640x32 pixels? Is it being covered up by an on screen info bar? Just discarded before it hits the screen to fit properly in the narrower display? |
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I realize everyone on arfcom is not from the US. I am glad there are people from all around the world on sites like this. I would have to assume since the Yoter is assembled in the US, there are ITAR restrictions keeping it from being sent to other countries. In the US, the RH50 is $1,400 more expensive. This doesn't make the RH50 a bad thermal. I am simply replying to your comment where you said the RH50 is less expensive. It is not when you look at a market where both are available. Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ:I can only go with what is written on the spec sheet - if you read the the manual and official spec sheet - it does state 640x512, although I think your explanation is reasonable and may explain the difference between US and other market documentation. However, I also note the RH50 documentation specifically states a resolution of 640x512. Perhaps the US isn't getting the latest version of the RH50 and RL42. There are many positives of the Super Yoter in comparison to the RH50 and the reverse can be said as well. If anyone has additional questions on the Super Yoter, please let me know. |
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Originally Posted By jwramp: Can you explain a little more about this missing row of 640x32 pixels? Is it being covered up by an on screen info bar? Just discarded before it hits the screen to fit properly in the narrower display? |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I realize everyone on arfcom is not from the US. I am glad there are people from all around the world on sites like this. I would have to assume since the Yoter is assembled in the US, there are ITAR restrictions keeping it from being sent to other countries. In the US, the RH50 is $1,400 more expensive. This doesn't make the RH50 a bad thermal. I am simply replying to your comment where you said the RH50 is less expensive. It is not when you look at a market where both are available. As discussed already they not only have the same sensor specs, they actually use the SAME sensor. Bering uses the iRay sensor in the Yoter, but writes their own firmware. There are many positives of the Super Yoter in comparison to the RH50 and the reverse can be said as well. If anyone has additional questions on the Super Yoter, please let me know. Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I realize everyone on arfcom is not from the US. I am glad there are people from all around the world on sites like this. I would have to assume since the Yoter is assembled in the US, there are ITAR restrictions keeping it from being sent to other countries. In the US, the RH50 is $1,400 more expensive. This doesn't make the RH50 a bad thermal. I am simply replying to your comment where you said the RH50 is less expensive. It is not when you look at a market where both are available. Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ:I can only go with what is written on the spec sheet - if you read the the manual and official spec sheet - it does state 640x512, although I think your explanation is reasonable and may explain the difference between US and other market documentation. However, I also note the RH50 documentation specifically states a resolution of 640x512. Perhaps the US isn't getting the latest version of the RH50 and RL42. There are many positives of the Super Yoter in comparison to the RH50 and the reverse can be said as well. If anyone has additional questions on the Super Yoter, please let me know. Just because they have the same sensor doesn't mean they are utilised the same way. As I said the RH50 also has the ability to directly add the LRF - that is a significant step up in functionality. Co-aligned in scope range finding out to 1000m that is not something to dismiss lightly. It makes the RH50 a very interesting package. Note: I am not a product tester or affiliated with IRay. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: Can the reticle be turned off, and the screen be sanitized for purly observation reasons? Does bearing update their firmware and allow users to update after launch should improvements be made? |
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Originally Posted By ggllggll:Can the reticle be turned off, and the screen be sanitized for purly observation reasons? Does bearing update their firmware and allow users to update after launch should improvements be made? To update firmware, the units need to be sent to Bering. Their firmware has been really solid in the Hogsters and Phenoms so the need to update has been minimal. |
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Thanks for another awesome review  I have a friend that is constantly sending me pics from his, and your review matches up with what he's sending me. The Super Yoter is really very impressive I'm thermal'd out myself but I do point people to your threads. Thanks for adding so much to the NV community |
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Thanks for another awesome review I have a friend that is constantly sending me pics from his, and your review matches up with what he's sending me. The Super Yoter is really very impressive I'm thermal'd out myself but I do point people to your threads. Thanks for adding so much to the NV community As for the Super Yoter, I requested Bering create this thermal for a long time. They had such a strong position in the 2-3$K thermal market, they were hesitant. Kudos to them for listening and producing a thermal which is absolutely awesome. |
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Is there a plug and play LRF for the Yoter? Does the Iray come with Dental coverage ? No doubt a plug and play LRF is a nice option, but the scope is already $1,300 + over the Super Yoter, without the additional price of the rangefinder. The Iray finder series of monoculars with built in LRF are nice, but still over priced. |
| Great review, already pre-ordered a Yoter-R. Quick question, what size flip cap would be needed for the ocular end to replace the eye cup? I use a Butler Creek on my 60mm Mk3 rather than the rubber tube & would prefer to do the same w/ the Yoter. Also, I have the 640 12mic Phenom (big fan), is the same sensor used in the Yoter-R? |
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Originally Posted By 02Overlander: Great review, already pre-ordered a Yoter-R. Quick question, what size flip cap would be needed for the ocular end to replace the eye cup? I use a Butler Creek on my 60mm Mk3 rather than the rubber tube & would prefer to do the same w/ the Yoter. Also, I have the 640 12mic Phenom (big fan), is the same sensor used in the Yoter-R? As for the eyecup, I am sure it can be removed, but the one on this prototype is really in place. I don’t want to damage or rip it up by removing it as I don’t own it. I can ask Bering for measurements. |
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Originally Posted By 02Overlander: Great review, already pre-ordered a Yoter-R. Quick question, what size flip cap would be needed for the ocular end to replace the eye cup? I use a Butler Creek on my 60mm Mk3 rather than the rubber tube & would prefer to do the same w/ the Yoter. Also, I have the 640 12mic Phenom (big fan), is the same sensor used in the Yoter-R? The fitting diameter of the SY eyepiece is d39.5mm (1.555"). The rubber eyecup is glued currently over this diameter and the groove behind it. The fitting diameter of the SY Lens hood is d53mm, which is perfectly suitable for Butler Creek 2.1" (53.3mm) flip open Lens cover. I can attest the current eyepiece cup is really on there. |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I contacted Bering. Here is what they said. The fitting diameter of the SY eyepiece is d39.5mm (1.555"). The rubber eyecup is glued currently over this diameter and the groove behind it. The fitting diameter of the SY Lens hood is d53mm, which is perfectly suitable for Butler Creek 2.1" (53.3mm) flip open Lens cover. I can attest the current eyepiece cup is really on there. Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: Originally Posted By 02Overlander: Great review, already pre-ordered a Yoter-R. Quick question, what size flip cap would be needed for the ocular end to replace the eye cup? I use a Butler Creek on my 60mm Mk3 rather than the rubber tube & would prefer to do the same w/ the Yoter. Also, I have the 640 12mic Phenom (big fan), is the same sensor used in the Yoter-R? The fitting diameter of the SY eyepiece is d39.5mm (1.555"). The rubber eyecup is glued currently over this diameter and the groove behind it. The fitting diameter of the SY Lens hood is d53mm, which is perfectly suitable for Butler Creek 2.1" (53.3mm) flip open Lens cover. I can attest the current eyepiece cup is really on there. |
I had a member of a Forum ask me to record a video where the animals were at further distances and use digital zoom and pause on each digital zoom level with my prototype Super Yoter R (SY). They wanted to get a better feel for how well it handles digital zoom. I recently went out and recorded the following video. My advice for anyone looking for a thermal is to get a thermal that works well for most of your hunting at base magnification. However, with the SY know if you need to use digital zoom, your image will still look pretty good. Also note, the humidity on this video was done at 75%. If it was lower, the image clarity would be even better. This prototype has been extremely good, but Bering has already improved the version that will release in a little over one month. I recently heard from Tom Austin from Night Goggles who told me, "For anyone interested, simply email Night Goggles at [email protected] or call us to get on the pre-order list. We still have a few units that are not spoken for in our first shipment expected early to mid-October." Super Yoter R Digital Zoom Testing |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: My advice for anyone looking for a thermal is to get a thermal that works well for most of your hunting at base magnification. This is excellent advice! e.g. 3 x base multiplied by 2 x digital is six times total magnification - but with a 640 sensor this only degrades to 320 pixel use on target area. This means you still have an excellent image. For comparison 1.5 x base multiplied by 4 x digital is still six times total magnification - but with a 640 sensor this degrades to 160 pixel use on target area. Useable. or 1.5 base multiplied by 4 x digital is still six times total magnification - but with a 320 sensor this degrades to 80 pixel use on target area - poor image. |