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Originally Posted By Yankee-Carpet-Bagger: I was a refugee from NY, not a missionary. The BS there followed me to the Commonwealth. Hoping to be in a free state by 2027. To put things in perspective, my local Costco is selling marinated goat cubes. I went there yesterday evening. If a tuk-tuk was going down the aisle and someone shitting in the corner, I'd swear I was in Mumbai. There are no “FREE States” left. There are only those not yet fully assimilated. The Left has a formula, and it works. Florida is always one or two elections away from the same fate as Virginia but I am hearing the same old TL,DR excuses; “it will never happen here” “the Governor won’t let it happen” “Republicans control the Legislature” “I got mine” “will not comply”. BTW- regarding COSTCO, last time I was at the Chantilly location, I saw grown men spitting on the floors and from the smell, likely pissing in the corners. Mumbai, indeed. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: There are no “FREE States” left. There are only those not yet fully assimilated. The Left has a formula, and it works. Florida is always one or two elections away from the same fate as Virginia but I am hearing the same old TL,DR excuses; “it will never happen here” “the Governor won’t let it happen” “Republicans control the Legislature” “I got mine” “will not comply”. BTW- regarding COSTCO, last time I was at the Chantilly location, I saw grown men spitting on the floors and from the smell, likely pissing in the corners. Mumbai, indeed. Yes I have heard those up to the election last year when I was at the ranges in my area to talk to people and telling them to vote. I got the “I got mine” and “nah, it’ll never happen here.” When I said the AWB passed two years already and it only needs a governor to sign it, I got just death stares or complete “nah they’re just trying to scare you.” So yes, other states are currently in denial and many states are a few steps closer to dem control. I do not believe anyone can do anything about it and even with a scotus ruling in hand it might take decades to enforce. It took over half a century to desegregate schools after the big scotus decision and many consider that something both parties want. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: There are no “FREE States” left. There are only those not yet fully assimilated. The Left has a formula, and it works. Florida is always one or two elections away from the same fate as Virginia but I am hearing the same old TL,DR excuses; “it will never happen here” “the Governor won’t let it happen” “Republicans control the Legislature” “I got mine” “will not comply”. BTW- regarding COSTCO, last time I was at the Chantilly location, I saw grown men spitting on the floors and from the smell, likely pissing in the corners. Mumbai, indeed. I can't disagree. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: There are no “FREE States” left. There are only those not yet fully assimilated. The Left has a formula, and it works. Florida is always one or two elections away from the same fate as Virginia but I am hearing the same old TL,DR excuses; “it will never happen here” “the Governor won’t let it happen” “Republicans control the Legislature” “I got mine” “will not comply”. BTW- regarding COSTCO, last time I was at the Chantilly location, I saw grown men spitting on the floors and from the smell, likely pissing in the corners. Mumbai, indeed. |
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Originally Posted By johnmyster: I'm still confused. I have a bunch for F1 SBR submissions. Should I anticipate them all getting rejected because of rules that haven't taken effect yet? No sometimes they might ask for a picture to see if it is in a legal configuration and documentation. SBR ARs and such probably not but something like a SBS might. It could be post July they might ask for a picture before approval since to my understanding you can still have NFA items just not in the “illegal” configuration. So in theory you might still be able to get your SBS post July. |
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Originally Posted By johnmyster: I'm still confused. I have a bunch for F1 SBR submissions. Should I anticipate them all getting rejected because of rules that haven't taken effect yet? Originally Posted By johnmyster: Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: LOL, nah. It was an SBS. I guess to see if it had a drum mag maybe? I'm still confused. I have a bunch for F1 SBR submissions. Should I anticipate them all getting rejected because of rules that haven't taken effect yet? I am not a lawyer nor an FFL, but I would expect ATF to deny Form 1's for anything Va claims are AW's, after July 1st. It's stupid, but it is the most likely outcome. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: I am not a lawyer nor an FFL, but I would expect ATF to deny Form 1's for anything Va claims are AW's, after July 1st. It's stupid, but it is the most likely outcome. It is hard to tell. DOJ and ATF are about as friendly as they have ever been, and there is no specific restriction on SBRs in the law. One might need to show it was owned before 7/1. Plus why would the liberals want to ban people registering their guns. I could see it go either way as poorly as the law is written. |
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Picking up a lower and my ffl said for the last three weeks, most of the psa lowers coming in have been in 3 packs. Got to love the fuck you spammy attitude. Lol. Just spoke with an older guy that said the nra has a lot of pull and these laws wont take effect. Didnt realize there were dumbass' that still believed the nra fought for the 2A. |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Fudds gonna fudd. NRA LOL. I dont expect any legal challenges to help va. Not a fudd as he was picking up a psa ar15. Just a boomer or really old gen x. A also was in grasping the fact that we live in the fourth circuit and they've already ruled that assault weapon and mag bans are legal. He couldn't grasp the fact that assault weapon and mag bans are here to stay forever in virginia |
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Other than the rare judge like Benitez, there aren't many circuit courts who have knocked down bans. let me preface this by saying I expect NO help from the court. That being said - the VA supreme court leans right as of now. 2 of those "conservative" justices will be replaced in 27 and 28 IIRC. Im watching the redisctircting. If they strike that down, then I do wonder if they extend the middle finger to the GA and do something about the AWB and associated laws. Those two will never sit on the bench in VA again after the dems replace them. This GA will load the court with the most liberal judges they can. If they are being replaced, they may yet middle finger the GA on the way out. I know I would, because va has gone full legislate by spite. I dont know how these legal challenges with guns start. Tazewell? Do they start state then go federal when you lose at the state level? The va constitution has a RKBA clause. I'm guessing these will see both state and federal challenges. And I don't expect to see any positive results, but if we do win the redisctricting thing, it might show signs of a "fuck you" coming from the VASC |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Other than the rare judge like Benitez, there aren't many circuit courts who have knocked down bans. let me preface this by saying I expect NO help from the court. That being said - the VA supreme court leans right as of now. 2 of those "conservative" justices will be replaced in 27 and 28 IIRC. Im watching the redisctircting. If they strike that down, then I do wonder if they extend the middle finger to the GA and do something about the AWB and associated laws. Those two will never sit on the bench in VA again after the dems replace them. This GA will load the court with the most liberal judges they can. If they are being replaced, they may yet middle finger the GA on the way out. I know I would, because va has gone full legislate by spite. I dont know how these legal challenges with guns start. Tazewell? Do they start state then go federal when you lose at the state level? The va constitution has a RKBA clause. I'm guessing these will see both state and federal challenges. And I don't expect to see any positive results, but if we do win the redisctricting thing, it might show signs of a "fuck you" coming from the VASC From what little I've paid attention, and I admit, it has been very little over the years, The Va SC is a bunch of pussies. I do not expect them to overturn the will of the people know matter how much of a fuck you the Dems did with the Va constitution in regards to the redistricting. As for gun bans, I don't expect them to overturn any of them and if they do, 2 bullet Jones will just go whine to the 4th circus that will reaffirm all gun control is legal. Basically without a gutting of the SCOTUS and having 9 Thomas' sitting on the bench, there is no relief coming from the courts. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Not a fudd as he was picking up a psa ar15. Just a boomer or really old gen x. A also was in grasping the fact that we live in the fourth circuit and they've already ruled that assault weapon and mag bans are legal. He couldn't grasp the fact that assault weapon and mag bans are here to stay forever in virginia Yes, even if we win the SC in Virginia, it can be appealed in higher courts that would eventually find it legal. It seems like weekly on Youtube gun channels are pushing the narrative about magazine bans that got overturned, or how some AW bill got overturned but I don't ever see anything changed and the next week whatever ruling was made was overturned or moot. I think the biggest challenge to the AWB was with the NYSAFE act and the provision of the NYC pistol ban. It was so close that NY had an emergency session to write that part out so it wouldn't go in front of the SCOTUS. And even with an overturning of it in the SCOTUS, there's a good chance it will take decades before states follow through. Even Brown vs Board of Education took multiple decades to get fully in effect with the last de-segregated school was in 2016. So let that sink in for a second with such an important issue as segregation taking that many decades to overturn, imagine for a second what AWB overturning might look? California might never see it overturned and it would have to go through numerous courts for decades before finally getting overturned. Virginia, unless there's a GOP control again, it will probably never get overturned. |
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Originally Posted By 1AEGW: keep in mind universal background checks was overturned so they just passed it again. The State Police have already said they will respect the court injunction and won't be doing private sale background checks. |
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967: Nor should you. Originally Posted By bulldog1967: Originally Posted By GE-Mini-Gun: I understand all that, but I don’t trust the SP… Nor should you. QFT. Never ever trust the VSP. I say this having an uncle who was a Trooper for 20 years only to eventually be run out for not wanting to be a statist enforcer. |
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This is concerning - one day notice (just got email today): Attached File |
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Originally Posted By triode: This is concerning - one day notice (just got email today): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/239734/Capture_PNG-3758528.JPG Good grief. Is CMMG that slow to ship products? May 8 seems a bit early to the party. |
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I guess they got shit on and came up with a more supportive message. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Spanberger signed AWB into law today. Stark Raving Loon Signs AWB Blow me, biatch. |
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Do we have a definitive answer on whether gaytf will still approve form 1's for "AW" after July 1st, or if the submission was made pre July 1st but not approved before July 1st? Bought another MP5 because Spammy says I can't have anymore and it needs to be an sbr. Probably pick it up next friday and form 1s are running over 60 days it seems. |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Do we have a definitive answer on whether gaytf will still approve form 1's for "AW" after July 1st, or if the submission was made pre July 1st but not approved before July 1st? Bought another MP5 because Spammy says I can't have anymore and it needs to be an sbr. Probably pick it up next friday and form 1s are running over 60 days it seems. I have not seen anything definitive. I did see this post where a VA resident appears to have received a batch for several forms submitted over a month (including into April): https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/EForm-1-Tracking-Thread-DO-NOT-POST-before-reading-the-rules-in-OP/17-494992/?page=50#i6263699 |
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Originally Posted By bad2006z71: Do we have a definitive answer on whether gaytf will still approve form 1's for "AW" after July 1st, or if the submission was made pre July 1st but not approved before July 1st? Bought another MP5 because Spammy says I can't have anymore and it needs to be an sbr. Probably pick it up next friday and form 1s are running over 60 days it seems. The ATF is not responsible for enforcing State laws, so maybe they will approve Form 1 and leave it to the applicant to comply. The applicant could move to another State, or there might be an injunction against the new AWB. Either of those might allow an applicant to make their firearm. |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: The ATF is not responsible for enforcing State laws, so maybe they will approve Form 1 and leave it to the applicant to comply. The applicant could move to another State, or there might be an injunction against the new AWB. Either of those might allow an applicant to make their firearm. The AWB in VA is similar to the WA one and in that situation the ATF simply dropped everyone and at the time gave back the $200. The problem is when you make an SBR, or ask for an SBR, it's the same as getting a "new" rifle even if it is from one you already owned so it is considered "importing" a new rifle thus a violation of the new law. I do believe suppressors will still make it through because it's not part of the AWB. But SBRs might depending on the features. They'll likely ask for a picture of said rifle and then reject it if it has any of the banned features. Assuming this is all after July 1st. If you make it before hand, you're solid and good to go. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:... we shall see what the coming lawsuits will do. https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-files-federal-lawsuit-challenging-virginia-gun-ban |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: The AWB in VA is similar to the WA one and in that situation the ATF simply dropped everyone and at the time gave back the $200. The problem is when you make an SBR, or ask for an SBR, it's the same as getting a "new" rifle even if it is from one you already owned so it is considered "importing" a new rifle thus a violation of the new law. I do believe suppressors will still make it through because it's not part of the AWB. But SBRs might depending on the features. They'll likely ask for a picture of said rifle and then reject it if it has any of the banned features. Assuming this is all after July 1st. If you make it before hand, you're solid and good to go. Originally Posted By dalle0001: Originally Posted By Lexington: The ATF is not responsible for enforcing State laws, so maybe they will approve Form 1 and leave it to the applicant to comply. The applicant could move to another State, or there might be an injunction against the new AWB. Either of those might allow an applicant to make their firearm. The AWB in VA is similar to the WA one and in that situation the ATF simply dropped everyone and at the time gave back the $200. The problem is when you make an SBR, or ask for an SBR, it's the same as getting a "new" rifle even if it is from one you already owned so it is considered "importing" a new rifle thus a violation of the new law. I do believe suppressors will still make it through because it's not part of the AWB. But SBRs might depending on the features. They'll likely ask for a picture of said rifle and then reject it if it has any of the banned features. Assuming this is all after July 1st. If you make it before hand, you're solid and good to go. WA residents are still able to form 1 their SBRs post ban, though some get denied to misunderstanding or bad adjudicators at the ATF. Not sure how VA will play out but I’m hopeful that the form 1s will still go through, and am aware that the WA and VA bans are very similar with some varying language. And naturally I want to believe this as I find the ban complete bullshit |
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