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Posted: 11/20/2020 2:39:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SouthEndXGF]
In response to This Thread - I went ahead and started building a discord server for backup communication purposes if anyone has/wants discord and is interested in joining.
PM me if you're interested in an invite link, and I'll send you one when I log in and get PMs (usually a few times a day). This is being created as a backup communication tool in case something happens to ARFCOM and we need to rely on or communicate with our regional members or fellow Texans. so far we have the ability to set your server role to your local region, a channel for HAM and Radio operators, as well as general discussion and regional discussions. Voice and Text channels both, easily accessible from your phone, PC, or tablet, and an emergency-use only channel if you're interested in just using this server for that purpose. We will be doing our best to reasonably vet out members so we don't have random accounts wind up with access. each invite code sent will be a one-time use only. if you have questions about discord or would like to know more about the details, feel free to reach out to me. https://discord.com/ |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 3:20:01 AM EDT
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PM'ed
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Posted: 11/20/2020 8:40:41 AM EDT
[#2]
keep in mind Discord isn't secure at all. It's not even intended to be secure. I would propose a Signal channel.
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Posted: 11/21/2020 3:52:53 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm in, though I'll second Signal as well
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Posted: 11/22/2020 6:49:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Keep in mind that Discord is anti 2A and has shut down other gun related servers.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 6:55:03 AM EDT
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usairc.org
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Posted: 11/24/2020 12:15:27 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: keep in mind Discord isn't secure at all. It's not even intended to be secure. I would propose a Signal channel. Tell us more about Signal. Why is it better? |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 11:05:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Tell us more about Signal. Why is it better? It's an encrypted messaging app. Nothing is 100%, but it's a lot more secure than Discord. Or arfcom...  It's more about making yourself a hard target as opposed to a soft one |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 12:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blitzcraig173: It's an encrypted messaging app. Nothing is 100%, but it's a lot more secure than Discord. Or arfcom... It's more about making yourself a hard target as opposed to a soft one I get that, but I know nothing about it. Is it set up like Discord, where you can have "servers" that have channels, and users can have different roles in each channel? I totally see the advantage in having secure messaging available, but is it as practical as Discord for all of the organization and social stuff that is much more likely to be needed before the need for secure messaging? If so, great, let's switch. If not, then maybe we need both? |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 12:42:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: I get that, but I know nothing about it. Is it set up like Discord, where you can have "servers" that have channels, and users can have different roles in each channel? I totally see the advantage in having secure messaging available, but is it as practical as Discord for all of the organization and social stuff that is much more likely to be needed before the need for secure messaging? If so, great, let's switch. If not, then maybe we need both? I'd say no, Discord definitely offers other things and I think using both makes sense. I'm new to signal, but it seems to strictly be for messaging. You can set up group messages though. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 12:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blitzcraig173: I'd say no, Discord definitely offers other things and I think using both makes sense. I'm new to signal, but it seems to strictly be for messaging. You can set up group messages though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blitzcraig173: Originally Posted By DaTrueDave: I get that, but I know nothing about it. Is it set up like Discord, where you can have "servers" that have channels, and users can have different roles in each channel? I totally see the advantage in having secure messaging available, but is it as practical as Discord for all of the organization and social stuff that is much more likely to be needed before the need for secure messaging? If so, great, let's switch. If not, then maybe we need both? I'd say no, Discord definitely offers other things and I think using both makes sense. I'm new to signal, but it seems to strictly be for messaging. You can set up group messages though. Discord is nothing but a data sink. I wouldn't use it to discuss lawn mowing tips and tricks. Signal lets you set up group chats and is secure. My theory is if afcrom were to ever go down, the alternative should be an upgrade, not a massive downgrade (security wise) like discord. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 3:03:11 PM EDT
[#11]
keybase is a better alternative for groups. it provides channels and is encrypted end to end
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2020 5:03:53 PM EDT
[#12]
+1 For signal. It is not the best, but it is up there.
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Posted: 11/24/2020 5:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Discord is nothing but a data sink. I wouldn't use it to discuss lawn mowing tips and tricks. Signal lets you set up group chats and is secure. My theory is if afcrom were to ever go down, the alternative should be an upgrade, not a massive downgrade (security wise) like discord. How to you propose setting it up so that all the Texans can talk, but also just the DFW folks, or just the Houston folks? Is it possible for an admin to keep the groups for group messaging up to date? Or if a new member is vetted, does every member of the group have to add the new guy to the group message string? Are there limits on the number of users in a group? This is important if things haven't become an emergency: Can you set it up so that notifications come through in some situations, but not other situations? Like, can someone send a direct message that will give you a notification, but all the chit chat in the group won't give you a notification? Is there a way to mark a group message "urgent" so that everyone gets a notification? I don't know anything about signal, but if it's got the functionality of SMS but with end-to-end encryption, then I think we need something more. Using it with Discord sounds like it might be what we need. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 5:48:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: How to you propose setting it up so that all the Texans can talk, but also just the DFW folks, or just the Houston folks? Is it possible for an admin to keep the groups for group messaging up to date? Or if a new member is vetted, does every member of the group have to add the new guy to the group message string? Are there limits on the number of users in a group? This is important if things haven't become an emergency: Can you set it up so that notifications come through in some situations, but not other situations? Like, can someone send a direct message that will give you a notification, but all the chit chat in the group won't give you a notification? Is there a way to mark a group message "urgent" so that everyone gets a notification? I don't know anything about signal, but if it's got the functionality of SMS but with end-to-end encryption, then I think we need something more. Using it with Discord sounds like it might be what we need. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Discord is nothing but a data sink. I wouldn't use it to discuss lawn mowing tips and tricks. Signal lets you set up group chats and is secure. My theory is if afcrom were to ever go down, the alternative should be an upgrade, not a massive downgrade (security wise) like discord. How to you propose setting it up so that all the Texans can talk, but also just the DFW folks, or just the Houston folks? Is it possible for an admin to keep the groups for group messaging up to date? Or if a new member is vetted, does every member of the group have to add the new guy to the group message string? Are there limits on the number of users in a group? This is important if things haven't become an emergency: Can you set it up so that notifications come through in some situations, but not other situations? Like, can someone send a direct message that will give you a notification, but all the chit chat in the group won't give you a notification? Is there a way to mark a group message "urgent" so that everyone gets a notification? I don't know anything about signal, but if it's got the functionality of SMS but with end-to-end encryption, then I think we need something more. Using it with Discord sounds like it might be what we need. No, it wouldn't be able to do all those kinds of things. I get what you are saying. It (the backup. whatever it is) needs alert capability. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 9:01:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Hmmm... Well, I'm intrigued.
I'm going to get the app and see how it works. If anyone from the Discord server wants to also mess around with it, we can see how it works and how it can be integrated into a backup communication plan. Secure comms sounds great to me. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:16:50 AM EDT
[#16]
So what's the disposition of this? Discord or Signal?
DFM |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 1:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DerFALMaus: So what's the disposition of this? Discord or Signal? DFM Discord is definitely where everyone is right now. If we need secure comms, I think we'll organize it from there. PM SouthEnd (OP) to get in. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 10:51:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Discord is nothing but a data sink. I wouldn't use it to discuss lawn mowing tips and tricks. Signal lets you set up group chats and is secure. My theory is if afcrom were to ever go down, the alternative should be an upgrade, not a massive downgrade (security wise) like discord. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By Blitzcraig173: Originally Posted By DaTrueDave: I get that, but I know nothing about it. Is it set up like Discord, where you can have "servers" that have channels, and users can have different roles in each channel? I totally see the advantage in having secure messaging available, but is it as practical as Discord for all of the organization and social stuff that is much more likely to be needed before the need for secure messaging? If so, great, let's switch. If not, then maybe we need both? I'd say no, Discord definitely offers other things and I think using both makes sense. I'm new to signal, but it seems to strictly be for messaging. You can set up group messages though. Discord is nothing but a data sink. I wouldn't use it to discuss lawn mowing tips and tricks. Signal lets you set up group chats and is secure. My theory is if afcrom were to ever go down, the alternative should be an upgrade, not a massive downgrade (security wise) like discord. Bet on it being compromised, though. What's needed is a tiered secure comms system (public, private, confidential) and associated leadership structure that manages respective access. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 1:22:41 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Bet on it being compromised, though. What's needed is a tiered secure comms system (public, private, confidential) and associated leadership structure that manages respective access. there are several arfcom related discord servers i've been in for years. i don't expect this to be a secret-squirrel planning tool - just a way to communicate off site should something happen here. any actual planning or more sensitive traffic can occur somewhere else, discord just makes an easy place to reach everyone quickly if needed. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 9:28:58 AM EDT
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So is Discord a voice chat app/program? I've heard it mentioned before but never looked into it before.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 1:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManiacRat461: So is Discord a voice chat app/program? I've heard it mentioned before but never looked into it before. It's like a combination of chat room, text message, and voice chat. It's pretty slick. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 2:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: It's like a combination of chat room, text message, and voice chat. It's pretty slick. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 5:07:21 PM EDT
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discord is china controlled spyware bullshit. may fuck be upon them.
come to usairc. it is run by current and former arfcommers. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 6:57:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Apparently we will eat our own arguing about the best place to connect outside of Arfcom.
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Posted: 12/4/2020 11:40:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CastorTroy: discord is china controlled spyware bullshit. may fuck be upon them. come to usairc. it is run by current and former arfcommers. I wasn't aware that any part of Discord had anything to do with China. Care to share? |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 3:57:09 PM EDT
[#26]
I’d be interested once we agree on a platform
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Posted: 12/5/2020 4:11:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: I wasn't aware that any part of Discord had anything to do with China. Care to share? Discord is still american owned. They have venture capital funding which Tencent is apart of. Tencent is chinese with ties to the CCP. |
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Posted: 12/7/2020 11:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tigerx: Discord is still american owned. They have venture capital funding which Tencent is apart of. Tencent is chinese with ties to the CCP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tigerx: Originally Posted By DaTrueDave: I wasn't aware that any part of Discord had anything to do with China. Care to share? Discord is still american owned. They have venture capital funding which Tencent is apart of. Tencent is chinese with ties to the CCP. So absent any evidence to the contrary, I say the concerns about its security seem overblown (not that I'm crazy about the Chicom involvement). Good enough for non-secure semi-public messaging as suggested, imo |
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Posted: 12/8/2020 5:25:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: So absent any evidence to the contrary, I say the concerns about its security seem overblown (not that I'm crazy about the Chicom involvement). Good enough for non-secure semi-public messaging as suggested, imo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Originally Posted By tigerx: Originally Posted By DaTrueDave: I wasn't aware that any part of Discord had anything to do with China. Care to share? Discord is still american owned. They have venture capital funding which Tencent is apart of. Tencent is chinese with ties to the CCP. So absent any evidence to the contrary, I say the concerns about its security seem overblown (not that I'm crazy about the Chicom involvement). Good enough for non-secure semi-public messaging as suggested, imo Antifa used to get caught all the time because they used Discord. Discord is a privacy sink. It establishes who you are, and who your contacts are. I wont use it for any reason. I realize im in the minority because of those reasons. Some people just dont care about privacy. |
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Posted: 12/8/2020 9:31:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Antifa used to get caught all the time because they used Discord. Discord is a privacy sink. It establishes who you are, and who your contacts are. I wont use it for any reason. I realize im in the minority because of those reasons. Some people just dont care about privacy. And yet, you're here, giving up your identity. The way I'm looking at it, this isn't some sort of secure communications, we'll use Signal or something else for that. This is an emergency replacement for this website if things get really bad. |
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Posted: 12/8/2020 11:50:50 PM EDT
[#31]
I'll take an invite.
But let's all be honest with ourselves for a moment. If things go "sideways" cell phones and internet and all that jazz is going down anyways, having an alternate chat channel isn't going to help. Discord is just nice when you're bored and want to chat instead of post on a forum and wait. Having a backup makes more sense if we're talking about a Facebook group or IG page getting the Zuck, as oft the gun pages do. |
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Posted: 12/9/2020 12:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CastorTroy: discord is china controlled spyware bullshit. may fuck be upon them. come to usairc. it is run by current and former arfcommers. @CastorTroy Can you tell us more about usairc and how it works? |
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Posted: 12/9/2020 9:37:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DaTrueDave]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Having a backup makes more sense if we're talking about a Facebook group or IG page getting the Zuck, as oft the gun pages do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Having a backup makes more sense if we're talking about a Facebook group or IG page getting the Zuck, as oft the gun pages do. That's what started this: the thought of Amazon Web Services (or other big web hosts) pulling the plug on gun websites like this one. Originally Posted By JTX23: @CastorTroy Can you tell us more about usairc and how it works? IRC is an old school chat room. Are IRC servers/clients encrypted now? |
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Posted: 12/10/2020 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Download an IRC client and connect to irc.usairc.org on port 6667, and if you want encryption, the SSL port is +6697. There is also a webchat client on the website, usairc.org
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Posted: 12/12/2020 7:59:47 PM EDT
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Gentlemen, in a true SHTF situation, runners are the only secure means of comms.
At best the comms avenues y'all are exploring should be limited to alert notifications and putting a preplanned 'response' into action. Anything using electronics can and will be compromised. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 11:11:42 PM EDT
[#36]
I’m in the Austin metro area - well ~40 miles give or take from downtown....
Read through this thread, but did we ever establish what we should use? Discord, signal, irc? |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:08:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By longhorn77: I’m in the Austin metro area - well ~40 miles give or take from downtown.... Read through this thread, but did we ever establish what we should use? Discord, signal, irc? There's a group of us on Discord as a backup for this site. We haven't settled on any further methods of communication. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: There's a group of us on Discord as a backup for this site. We haven't settled on any further methods of communication. How does one get added? Been using discord for years to game with my friends. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 1:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: How does one get added? Been using discord for years to game with my friends. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: How does one get added? Been using discord for years to game with my friends. One wanting to be added would read and follow the instructions in the OP: Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF: In response to This Thread - I went ahead and started building a discord server for backup communication purposes if anyone has/wants discord and is interested in joining. PM me if you're interested in an invite link, and I'll send you one when I log in and get PMs (usually a few times a day)... |
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Posted: 12/23/2020 9:15:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CastorTroy: Download an IRC client and connect to irc.usairc.org on port 6667, and if you want encryption, the SSL port is +6697. There is also a webchat client on the website, usairc.org As this poster said, just go to #lobby on usairc. Most of the old arfcom chat-server folks are here anyway and its not controlled by arfcom or any big corporations. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 11:19:33 PM EDT
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Any interest in using Wire?
https://wire.com/en/ You don’t have to give up your phone number* like you do with Signal - all you need is an email address to sign up. Just throwing this out there as well since it’s also encrypted and has voice and video chats as well as groups. *You could use a Google Voice or other VOIP number for use with Signal if that’s an issue. |
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Posted: 12/30/2020 11:28:19 PM EDT
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PM'ed
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Posted: 12/30/2020 11:30:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DStrokes: PM'ed same |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 9:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickyRifle: Any interest in using Wire? https://wire.com/en/ You don’t have to give up your phone number* like you do with Signal - all you need is an email address to sign up. Just throwing this out there as well since it’s also encrypted and has voice and video chats as well as groups. *You could use a Google Voice or other VOIP number for use with Signal if that’s an issue. Nothing you say on this wire.com server, either, is secure, private or safe from government snooping. |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 2:47:16 PM EDT
[#45]
sent
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Posted: 1/8/2021 11:32:22 PM EDT
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Well after all the purging that happened today, PM sent.
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Posted: 1/8/2021 11:58:02 PM EDT
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Pmed you
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Posted: 1/8/2021 11:59:44 PM EDT
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PM'd
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Posted: 1/9/2021 12:14:41 AM EDT
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Sent
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Posted: 1/9/2021 12:58:00 AM EDT
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PM’d
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