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12/29/2024 2:48:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Big-Tex22][Edited]
ETA: Flying into Detroit Saturday 6/28, then to Toronto, then to Niagra, then to Cleveland and fly home 7/6. Any last minute advice? Are the Arabs up there feeling frisky after our bunker busting??


I'm a Texan needing some help planning this summer's vacation up north if ya'll don't mind giving me some ideas?

A little background, my family of 5 (47,46,21,17,10 yo) has toured the country around MLB ballparks (my thing). It makes for a good way to see all of the country as well, really the ball games only account for 2-3 evenings out of a 7-10 day vacation, the rest is a lot of sight seeing the cities, beaches, national parks, etc. We got San Fran/Oakland out of the way last summer thank goodness, although it was a great trip. We still have the north eastern ballparks left, and this year we're thinking Detroit, Toronto and Cleveland.

So as far as an outline we're planning on flying into Detroit to start, maybe 2-3 days there, possibly train to Toronto and 2 days there and bus to Niagra (for the 4th of July possibly). Then train or bus on to Cleveland from Buffalo and a day or two there before flying back to TX.

So any input on
-MUST SEE type things in these cities or areas?
-The #1 place to eat for each city for someone that will never be back
-Navigating customs between Detroit/Windsor and the Niagra Falls/Buffalo borders? (International travel is 100% new for me, still haven't even been to Mexico)
-Bus/Train transportation between cities or rent a car? Cost is a consideration. As well as ubering within the cities?
-Any other insight on safety, places to avoid at all costs? I'm planning on going naked as far as firearms, unless someone can convince me it wouldn't be as difficult as I would think. So heavy belt buckle and fists are all I'm packing.
-Also any Canadian unique aspects we need to take into account?

Thanks everyone,
copy pasting to other hometown forums as well.
12/29/2024 5:01:32 PM EDT
[#1]
To cross the border from Detroit to Windsor, you'll need to have proof of citizenship and identity. U.S. citizens can use a valid:
Passport
Passport card
Enhanced Driver's License (issued by certain states)
Trusted Traveler Program card (NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)

Do not carry any firearms into Canada, check your luggage for any bullets or shell casings.
Do not joke around with Customs agents, in Canada or USA, they have no sense of humor.
Don’t plan on using Bus transportation in SE Michigan, it’s non existent. Uber is ok, I guess. I’d rent a car.
VIA rail travels from Windsor to Toronto
If your Ubering, there is a bus from Detroit to Windsor.
I’d probably stay West of Detroit Metro Airport, Canton/ Plymouth area.
A visit to the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Dearborn would be worth it.

Hit us up with any other questions.
12/30/2024 8:20:18 PM EDT
[#2]
A fishing charter on Lake Huron should be on the "to do list". I'm not a fan of Detroit. I am a Tiger's fan, just not a fan of large metropolitan areas.

Do a 200-mile search for events during your vacation window. Avoid any rib fests, I love ribs but waiting in long lines to discover you were in the wrong line, sucks.

I like Lake Superior, but it's too far away from your AO.

I'm a backwoods camping kind of guy, so my suggestions may not sit well with the wife.



12/30/2024 8:28:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Battle Creek has the Airshow every fourth of July. The Airforce Thunderbirds are always there because Kellogg's pays for their performance! This has been a yearly event for as long as I can remember. Kellogg's pays for their expenses, making them a repeat performance year after year.

They do a practice show the day before and several other air shows are incorporated into the event. You will see stealth aircraft as well as old school iterations.
1/1/2025 6:48:04 AM EDT
[#4]
if in Detroit gotta hit the hot dog places. Date for sure would help. Depending on when you get here the Fireworks on the D river are pretty good, it's a combo for both U.S. and Canada. Charter on Lake St Clair may be better and closer than Lk Huron, but those tend to book up fairly fast and early.
1/1/2025 1:47:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KK66][Edited] [#5]
To add to Fusemaster comment: don't even think about taking anything resembling weapon across the border. This includes large knives and even realistic toy guns. You will be very sorry if you do. Aside from Henry Ford in Detroit, I would recommend visiting CN Tower and Casaloma in Toronto. Niagara Falls is like mini Vegas on Canadian side and total ghetto on US Buffalo side. In Cleveland there is of course Rock N Roll hall of fame. They also had WW2 submarine not far from it. Don't know if it still there, but about 15 years ago I had a great time touring it.

Edit: Forgot to mention Meadowbrook Hall in Rochester Hills while in Detroit area. It belonged to Dodge family, and was given to Oakland University. Lots of great American history in this place.
1/2/2025 11:42:52 AM EDT
[#6]
Thanks guys for the help! Keep it coming.
1/6/2025 10:04:25 AM EDT
[#7]
I'll second the Henry Ford/Greenfield Village and Meadowbrook Hall.

The museum and village could be two days if you took your time.  You could get through in one if you hustled.  Museum is inside.  Village is all outside.  You can also take their tour of the Rouge Plant where F150s are built.  Buy tickets in advance.

Meadowbrook Hall is a tour and is probably less then 2 hours.  It's 30 minutes north of Detroit.

Detroit has a nice art museum if that is something of interest.

I like to drive, so I would rent a car in Detroit and drive to the rest of the spots.

Depending on when you are driving by, you could stop at the CMP store at Camp Perry in Port Clinton.  Check their hours if interested.

A fun restaurant in the Cleveland area, there are a few locations around there, is Quaker Steak and Lube.

Another option for hotels near Detroit would be in Troy.  Big Beaver Rd (exit 69) and I-75.  Lots of hotels and good restaurants. It's about 20 miles north of Detroit.  Big Beaver changes to 16 Mile Rd a few miles east of 75.
1/8/2025 2:38:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gearjammer351][Edited] [#8]
First of all: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Henry-Ford-Museum-of-American-Innovation-is-worth-a-visit-/5-2770166/

100% This. If you see only one thing in metro Detroit, it should be this.

Originally Posted By Big-Tex22:
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Me too! I can give you an outsider's perspective and maybe a few good insights. Be glad you get to leave! I'm about an hour away, though I've been there several times and I worked in Detroit for the first year I lived here. I am more familiar than a tourist, but not like a local.

Two things that have been recommended to me that I haven't gotten to yet: the Motown Museum and the Detroit Institute of the Arts - supposed to be a really good art collection there.

The Stahl Auto museum is not far. It's cool if you like old cars. It's a private collection that's open to the public sporadically.


Originally Posted By Big-Tex22:
I'm a Texan

So any input on
-MUST SEE type things in these cities or areas?
-The #1 place to eat for each city for someone that will never be back. I can only give a counter example for this one: London Chop House is overrated and overpriced. In general, avoid BBQ and Mexican food. They have no clue, and they don't even know what they don't know. The Detroit area surprisingly has some interesting and good variations on pizza, though I don't have a specific spot to try. Locals are inexplicably obsessed with "coneys" which are basic chili dogs. They are not bad, but they're certainly not worth going out of your way for. *shrug* ETA: just about every gorram diner in Michigan is called  ____'s Coney Island. It's so ubiquitous as to have no meaning. You can get breakfast, a burger, fish & chips, or a steak at a place called Someone's Coney Island. they're almost all mid-range diners with a full menu. Some are better than others, but I haven't found a remarkable one yet. If you're looking for something interesting, I wouldn't bother with one of those.    

-Navigating customs between Detroit/Windsor and the Niagra Falls/Buffalo borders? (International travel is 100% new for me, still haven't even been to Mexico) Get passports; that makes everything easier. Canadian border guards are humorless bastards. Answer their questions directly and succinctly and keep it professional.
-Bus/Train transportation between cities or rent a car? Cost is a consideration. As well as ubering within the cities? Just rent a car. Public transport is sketchy.
-Any other insight on safety, places to avoid at all costs? I'm planning on going naked as far as firearms, unless someone can convince me it wouldn't be as difficult as I would think. So heavy belt buckle and fists are all I'm packing. Most of Detroit is best avoided, and it's easy to make a wrong turn and end up in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. I go as little as possible and I always carry... and I still feel nervous. The northern suburbs are nice. Find a place to stay in Macomb county (Like Sterling Heights or Utica) and just go to the parts of Detroit you want to see - do NOT wander around the city blindly.
-Also any Canadian unique aspects we need to take into account? How long are you planning to be in Canada?
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1/8/2025 3:19:28 PM EDT
[#9]
The #1 place to eat for each city for someone that will never be back. I can only give a counter example for this one: London Chop House is overrated and overpriced. In general, avoid BBQ and Mexican food. They have no clue, and they don't even know what they don't know. The Detroit area surprisingly has some interesting and good variations on pizza, though I don't have a specific spot to try. Locals are inexplicably obsessed with "coneys" which are basic chili dogs. They are not bad, but they're certainly not worth going out of your way for. *shrug* ETA: just about every gorram diner in Michigan is called  ____'s Coney Island. It's so ubiquitous as to have no meaning. You can get breakfast, a burger, fish & chips, or a steak at a place called Someone's Coney Island. they're almost all mid-range diners with a full menu. Some are better than others, but I haven't found a remarkable one yet. If you're looking for something interesting, I wouldn't bother with one of those.    


I disagree with some of the above,   If staying in the Sterling Hts/Utica area, try Buddy’s pizza in Warren, Detroit style pizza is unique, in a good way.
I would try a Coney Island place, there are hundreds of them in SE Michigan, got to be something to them.
You can get a coney dog with chili without beans. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
1/9/2025 1:41:31 PM EDT
[#10]
Great input guys thanks

1/10/2025 1:48:27 PM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By Fusemaster:
The #1 place to eat for each city for someone that will never be back. I can only give a counter example for this one: London Chop House is overrated and overpriced. In general, avoid BBQ and Mexican food. They have no clue, and they don't even know what they don't know. The Detroit area surprisingly has some interesting and good variations on pizza, though I don't have a specific spot to try. Locals are inexplicably obsessed with "coneys" which are basic chili dogs. They are not bad, but they're certainly not worth going out of your way for. *shrug* ETA: just about every gorram diner in Michigan is called  ____'s Coney Island. It's so ubiquitous as to have no meaning. You can get breakfast, a burger, fish & chips, or a steak at a place called Someone's Coney Island. they're almost all mid-range diners with a full menu. Some are better than others, but I haven't found a remarkable one yet. If you're looking for something interesting, I wouldn't bother with one of those.    


I disagree with some of the above,   If staying in the Sterling Hts/Utica area, try Buddy’s pizza in Warren, Detroit style pizza is unique, in a good way.
I would try a Coney Island place, there are hundreds of them in SE Michigan, got to be something to them.
You can get a coney dog with chili without beans. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Whoa whoa, I kinda remember going to cook BBQ in Dallas and beating on some of them texas guys.....
1/12/2025 1:13:33 PM EDT
[#12]
Thought of another cool restaurant:  https://fordsgarageusa.com/locations/dearborn/

There's a location in Dearborn only a couple miles from the museum.

There are also lots of middle-eastern restaurants in Dearborn.
1/18/2025 1:13:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kc8flb][Edited] [#13]
I have worked in Dearborn for the past 27 years.

Greenfield Village/Henry Ford Museum is a must see. While you are in the village, see if you can eat at the Eagle Tavern (Authentic 1850's restaurant/tavern) https://www.thehenryford.org/visit/plan-your-visit/shops-and-dining/eagle-tavern Frequently, the Eagle Tavern has themed dinner "shows" that you can also buy tickets to, highly recommended if they are offered. Sample menu here: https://www.thehenryford.org/documents/default-source/default-document-library/eagle-tavern-fall-menu-sept-2024.pdf?sfvrsn=c39d0901_1

The other thing Dearborn is known for is the largest population of middle eastern people outside of the middle east. They have amazing middle eastern restaurants.

This is where I would go if taking out of town family:
1) Dinner at La Pita: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dUwWtHMA3yFc1qrn7
2) Amazing Desserts/Coffee/Tea afterwards at Shatila Bakery: https://maps.app.goo.gl/a7KifkyNTEUo5isc8

Coney Island restaurants are everywhere and if you are in Dearborn, I would recommend going here to try a coney and chili-cheese fries: https://maps.app.goo.gl/HMJ6QLhkbxU2wN9o9.
They will also have a full menu if coney dogs aren't everyone's favorite (I love them)

If you decide to get a hotel in Dearborn this is where I would take my family:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/D8HMgyQHFbsGiza26


Enjoy
1/19/2025 6:54:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Nikola’s in Southfield for one of your meals-it’s owned by Borat here and was rated #2 BBQ in Detroit for a few years. Really good food and easy to get to location.

If you can afford time time and a vehicle, I would very much recommend a trip to Dayton for the Wright-Patterson AFB museum.
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1/20/2025 8:07:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Nikola's in Southfield for one of your meals-it's owned by Borat here and was rated #2 BBQ in Detroit for a few years. Really good food and easy to get to location.

If you can afford time time and a vehicle, I would very much recommend a trip to Dayton for the Wright-Patterson AFB museum.
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AGREE 100% ^^^
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1/20/2025 10:29:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks everyone keep it coming!
1/26/2025 9:38:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kc8flb][Edited] [#17]
When you get to Canada, take the family to Walmart (https://maps.app.goo.gl/UQeeuTdjy3GbihP5A) and go to the snacks/chips/candy aisle. They have different stuff than we have in the USA. They have some crazy flavored Lays potato chips (Turkey dinner for example https://www.tastyrewards.com/en-ca/brands/lays/products-categories/lays). The chocolate is totally different as well. Ones to try: Smarties are like M&M's, Aero is "foamed" chocolate, kit kat is different and coffee crisp has coffee flavor. Let the kids pick out their favorites to try. If you ever wanted to buy milk in bags, this is your chance. We live close to the Detroit/Windsor border and sometimes we go to Canada for the day so the kids can try something new. You can get to Canada via the tunnel under the Detroit river or you can take the Ambassador bridge. It doesnt matter. Take the one that sounds better to you. We usually take one there and a different one back. Dont forget to load up at the international duty free stores at the border crossing back to the USA. They have good deals on alcohol tobacco and other merchandise. We only go for the day and still bring a case of beer home with us and the border people don't care.

Crossing the border into Canada is no big deal. Have your identification with you. I keep all of our passports/etc in a plastic clear large envelope and hand it to the Canadian border inspector in the booth. Crossing the border back into the USA feels like a full military checkpoint with dogs/handlers, vehicle scanners and many border guards walking around all vehicles. The "booths" on the USA side are just for show, the agents aren't in them, they are actively looking/walking around all vehicles. They take our border security seriously in my experience.


https://www.dutyfree.ca/allowances/

https://www.dutyfree.ca/how-duty-free-works

https://www.ambassadordutyfree.com/detroit/



2/1/2025 7:24:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fusemaster:
To cross the border from Detroit to Windsor, you'll need to have proof of citizenship and identity. U.S. citizens can use a valid:
Passport
Passport card
Enhanced Driver's License (issued by certain states)
Trusted Traveler Program card (NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)

Do not carry any firearms into Canada, check your luggage for any bullets or shell casings.
Do not joke around with Customs agents, in Canada or USA, they have no sense of humor.
Don’t plan on using Bus transportation in SE Michigan, it’s non existent. Uber is ok, I guess. I’d rent a car.
VIA rail travels from Windsor to Toronto
If your Ubering, there is a bus from Detroit to Windsor.
I’d probably stay West of Detroit Metro Airport, Canton/ Plymouth area.
A visit to the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Dearborn would be worth it.

Hit us up with any other questions.
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Going to Detroit in March with my 10 yo son. We dont have passports. Are you saying I can visit Windsor with just an enhanced DL?
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2/3/2025 3:11:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gearjammer351][Edited] [#19]
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Going to Detroit in March with my 10 yo son. We dont have passports. Are you saying I can visit Windsor with just an enhanced DL?
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I can and have crossed into Canada with an enhanced Michigan DL, but I really don't want to tell you for sure that you can and be wrong.

Well- it looks like that's only for some states that border Canada. You would need a passport according to this website. The Canadian border agency's site isn't very helpful. You should probably get a passport.

https://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/enhanced-drivers-license.php
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2/8/2025 11:29:05 AM EDT
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The enhanced drivers licenses only work if the state has an agreement with Canada Customs. I know Michigan does. If your enhanced real id driver's license is not a Michigan one, it's probably not going to work and you will need a passport for adults and birth certificates for children.
2/8/2025 6:04:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: prebans][Edited] [#21]
@big-tex22

Not saying you or any of your family would, but just in case…

Canada has full access to US records.  Some crimes that are not a big deal in the US (DUI) are felony-level crimes in Canada.  They generally deny entry even to those with the most basic DUI convictions; they’re turned around right at the border.

Supposedly there’s an age where the border agent can use discretion.  There’s also a way where, after some amount of time has passed, you can apply to be considered “rehabilitated,” pay a bunch of money, and be allowed entry.

Seems silly, but a buddy was denied entry with his elderly father just to go fishing up there.  All the prepaid fishing permits, lodge reservations, guide expenses, etc., were totally lost.
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2/9/2025 11:26:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By prebans:
@big-tex22

Not saying you or any of your family would, but just in case…

Canada has full access to US records.  Some crimes that are not a big deal in the US (DUI) are felony-level crimes in Canada.  They generally deny entry even to those with the most basic DUI convictions; they’re turned around right at the border.

Supposedly there’s an age where the border agent can use discretion.  There’s also a way where, after some amount of time has passed, you can apply to be considered “rehabilitated,” pay a bunch of money, and be allowed entry.

Seems silly, but a buddy was denied entry with his elderly father just to go fishing up there.  All the prepaid fishing permits, lodge reservations, guide expenses, etc., were totally lost.
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That's interesting, thanks!
My criminal history is as blank as a Joe Biden day dream, so maybe no worries there.
3/4/2025 4:15:17 PM EDT
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Train from Windsor to Toronto is nice.  Spring for first class tickets; the food/free drinks and better seats are worth the additional fare.

Don't bother getting a rental car in Toronto; public parking costs/rarity, and heavy traffic make driving in Toronto a pain.

Use Uber/Lyft to get around.  And be sure to visit the Hockey Hall of Fame.

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