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**** UPDATE **** (as of 10/09/24) This is 100% legit. HERE is a new link to the actual codified law, vs just a link to a bill text, as the bill is now law! https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 Below quoted bill text is now codified into the law in Chapter 135: Section 45(k) (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in accordance with section 131C. The nature of the text remains the same. The other provision mentioned in the bill that does NOT require non residents to register their firearms while traveling through the state (unlike those with nonresident LTCs who have to) is: Section 32(d): (d) This section shall not apply to firearms: (iii) possessed by individuals lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; provided, however, that the firearms are stored in accordance with sections 131C and 131L; Section 131C (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a license issued pursuant to section 129B, 131 or 131F or through an exemption under section 129C shall carry the loaded firearm in a vehicle unless the loaded firearm while carried in the vehicle is under the direct control of the person. Whoever violates this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. Section 131L ---------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the official bill text off the MA legislature's own website: https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H4885 1302 (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. Furthermore, if you are a non resident "just traveling through" you do NOT have to register your firearms in accordance to the new law (unlike everybody else). 421 (d) This section shall not apply to firearms:..... 424 (iii) possessed by individuals 425 lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; So some good news for us nonresidents who would always try to avoid accidentally driving through MA like the plague (which was especially annoying considering that GPS would often route you through the state if you were traveling anywhere near the border). -------------------------------------------------------- (original OP) From the GD thread about the new law that was passed. "Non-residents can carry in the car while driving through MA. Gun must remain in the car and locked up if out of their control. (129C (m) for reference). This is actually pretty shocking A locked glovebox or console meets the requirements for storage." But now it's illegal to bring "high cap mags" into the state. So you can legally carry now while passing over / through the Mass border as long as you are legal to do so in your state? What if you are carrying a 15 round magazine? Does that become illegal or legal since it is illegal in MA but legal in ones home state? Is the concealed carry while driving in a vehicle only legal if it's a 10 round capacity or less? And can you stop and eat / etc while in MA as long as you lock your pistol in a locked container? That is a huge step up for CC freedoms to non residents. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: From the GD thread about the new law that was passed. "Non-residents can carry in the car while driving through MA. Gun must remain in the car and locked up if out of their control. (129C (m) for reference). This is actually pretty shocking A locked glovebox or console meets the requirements for storage." But now it's illegal to bring "high cap mags" into the state. So you can legally carry now while passing over / through the Mass border as long as you are legal to do so in your state? What if you are carrying a 15 round magazine? Does that become illegal or legal since it is illegal in MA but legal in ones home state? Is the concealed carry while driving in a vehicle only legal if it's a 10 round capacity or less? And can you stop and eat / etc while in MA as long as you lock your pistol in a locked container? That is a huge step up for CC freedoms to non residents. It is illegal to carry or use in self defense a high cap mag. So I think the solution if you want to stay squeaky clean legal in case you get pulled over or have to defend yourself would be keep a 10 round mag or 2 in the vehicle and swap mags if you cross the state line that way you arent carrying it or using it for self defense. It is stored in the glove box or someplace hidden. or just ignore the law. |
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I've only read 28 pgs (116 pgs total) so far and from what I read it allows you to transport locked up, unloaded, but not carry as a NR driving thru MA. It's not the easiest read as it is full of "remove these words/paragraphs and substitute the following". It is not an actual print-out of the new law with the additions/subtractions. I'm sure that GOAL is working on that but it will take some time for them to parse thru the entire document. |
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Originally Posted By LenS: I've only read 28 pgs (116 pgs total) so far and from what I read it allows you to transport locked up, unloaded, but not carry as a NR driving thru MA. It's not the easiest read as it is full of "remove these words/paragraphs and substitute the following". It is not an actual print-out of the new law with the additions/subtractions. I'm sure that GOAL is working on that but it will take some time for them to parse thru the entire document. Incorrect. Locked up and unloaded was always the law and legal under federal peaceable journey laws as long as you were just driving through. This change specifically allows non residents to carry in their vehicles if they are "just driving through" if it is legal for them to do so in their home state. MA residents would need a class A permit as per MA law. That's why this law is such a big deal. It also said that if the non residents vehicle is unattended (ie, they pit stop for something) the gun just needs to.be securely locked up in the vehicle, and that the glove box counts as a locked container. So since non residents can carry in circumvention to MA laws, was wondering if that same applied to the circumventing the mag ban if just traveling through since legal in their home state. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: Incorrect. Locked up and unloaded was always the law and legal under federal peaceable journey laws as long as you were just driving through. This change specifically allows non residents to carry in their vehicles if they are "just driving through" if it is legal for them to do so in their home state. MA residents would need a class A permit as per MA law. That's why this law is such a big deal. It also said that if the non residents vehicle is unattended (ie, they pit stop for something) the gun just needs to.be securely locked up in the vehicle, and that the glove box counts as a locked container. So since non residents can carry in circumvention to MA laws, was wondering if that same applied to the circumventing the mag ban if just traveling through since legal in their home state. Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By LenS: I've only read 28 pgs (116 pgs total) so far and from what I read it allows you to transport locked up, unloaded, but not carry as a NR driving thru MA. It's not the easiest read as it is full of "remove these words/paragraphs and substitute the following". It is not an actual print-out of the new law with the additions/subtractions. I'm sure that GOAL is working on that but it will take some time for them to parse thru the entire document. Incorrect. Locked up and unloaded was always the law and legal under federal peaceable journey laws as long as you were just driving through. This change specifically allows non residents to carry in their vehicles if they are "just driving through" if it is legal for them to do so in their home state. MA residents would need a class A permit as per MA law. That's why this law is such a big deal. It also said that if the non residents vehicle is unattended (ie, they pit stop for something) the gun just needs to.be securely locked up in the vehicle, and that the glove box counts as a locked container. So since non residents can carry in circumvention to MA laws, was wondering if that same applied to the circumventing the mag ban if just traveling through since legal in their home state. you have to understand the word "carry" in MA law has always in the past meant take out of your dwelling, not carry concealed or openly. "Carry" in the past has meant locked in the trunk or a lock box. MA law makers are truly retarded. I don't know if the meaning of "carry" has been changed in that law. the new law does say for out of state residents, if not under your direct control it has to be locked up in your vehicle, so that implies something new, but the reality is they probably just copied and pasted from the part in the old law about resident with an LTC A with no restrictions. MA has always had gun laws that are contradictory, vague, confusing, arbitrary and then the courts don't even abide by parts of law that are very specific. ie. law that says you can not have a "firearm on your person on school grounds". people have been convicted because they had a gun unloaded and locked in the trunk of a vehicle on school grounds even though to anybody with half a brain,locked in the trunk is not on your person Historically, just because you follow the law as written doesn't mean you don't get charged and jailed for something that isn't illegal as written. This new law appears no different than the past laws in this regard. carry doesn't mean carry locked up doesn't mean locked up requiring a gun in your car not under your direct control to be locked up doesn't mean it is legal to have a gun in a car under your direct control not locked up. MA both denies individual constitutionally guaranteed rights by writing laws and then prosecutes people for following the laws as written |
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Originally Posted By Mach: you have to understand the word "carry" in MA law has always in the past meant take out of your dwelling, not carry concealed or openly. "Carry" in the past has meant locked in the trunk or a lock box. MA law makers are truly retarded. I don't know if the meaning of "carry" has been changed in that law. the new law does say for out of state residents, if not under your direct control it has to be locked up in your vehicle, so that implies something new, but the reality is they probably just copied and pasted from the part in the old law about resident with an LTC A with no restrictions. MA has always had gun laws that are contradictory, vague, confusing, arbitrary and then the courts don't even abide by parts of law that are very specific. ie. law that says you can not have a "firearm on your person on school grounds". people have been convicted because they had a gun unloaded and locked in the trunk of a vehicle on school grounds even though to anybody with half a brain,locked in the trunk is not on your person Historically, just because you follow the law as written doesn't mean you don't get charged and jailed for something that isn't illegal as written. This new law appears no different than the past laws in this regard. carry doesn't mean carry locked up doesn't mean locked up requiring a gun in your car not under your direct control to be locked up doesn't mean it is legal to have a gun in a car under your direct control not locked up. MA both denies individual constitutionally guaranteed rights by writing laws and then prosecutes people for following the laws as written That makes zero sense. You're talking in circles. Sounds like cope from MA residents upset that non residents are being granted more freedom where as they are loosing more freedom. The one thing I do agree with you on is cops not caring and trying to arrest and charge you anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: That makes zero sense. You're talking in circles. Sounds like cope from MA residents upset that non residents are being granted more freedom where as they are loosing more freedom. The one thing I do agree with you on is cops not caring and trying to arrest and charge you anyway. Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By Mach: you have to understand the word "carry" in MA law has always in the past meant take out of your dwelling, not carry concealed or openly. "Carry" in the past has meant locked in the trunk or a lock box. MA law makers are truly retarded. I don't know if the meaning of "carry" has been changed in that law. the new law does say for out of state residents, if not under your direct control it has to be locked up in your vehicle, so that implies something new, but the reality is they probably just copied and pasted from the part in the old law about resident with an LTC A with no restrictions. MA has always had gun laws that are contradictory, vague, confusing, arbitrary and then the courts don't even abide by parts of law that are very specific. ie. law that says you can not have a "firearm on your person on school grounds". people have been convicted because they had a gun unloaded and locked in the trunk of a vehicle on school grounds even though to anybody with half a brain,locked in the trunk is not on your person Historically, just because you follow the law as written doesn't mean you don't get charged and jailed for something that isn't illegal as written. This new law appears no different than the past laws in this regard. carry doesn't mean carry locked up doesn't mean locked up requiring a gun in your car not under your direct control to be locked up doesn't mean it is legal to have a gun in a car under your direct control not locked up. MA both denies individual constitutionally guaranteed rights by writing laws and then prosecutes people for following the laws as written That makes zero sense. You're talking in circles. Sounds like cope from MA residents upset that non residents are being granted more freedom where as they are loosing more freedom. The one thing I do agree with you on is cops not caring and trying to arrest and charge you anyway. Everything I posted is factual. You just arent familiar with MA gun law and the retards that make it and enforce it. I deleted a bunch of words and will just post the old law section about carrying in a vehicle to show you. Section 131C: Carrying of firearms in a vehicle Explain how you can carry a firearm if it is not under your direct control. Answer, carry here means in the vehicle in the trunk. Section 131C. (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a license issued pursuant to section 131 or 131F shall carry the loaded firearm in a vehicle unless the loaded firearm while carried in the vehicle is under the direct control of the person. Whoever violates this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. I finally found it. new law. (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. not sure what they mean by "lawfully travelling through the commonwealth" but if someone meats that metric which is probably all encompassing to include no hicap mags, the law specifically says 'carry on their person" in the vehicle, but if they stop and get out they have to unload the firearm and lock it up, so they have to finger fuck the weapon in a public place to unload it then load it again when back in the vehicle. There appears to be no relief from the section of the law that states a preban hicap mag is unlawfull to carry or use for self defense and must be stored unloaded and locked up or any mention about post ban hicap mags not being illegal for possession. that isn't addressed for out of state residents entering MA. I believe fed law addresses possession of mags while transporting, but does not allow carry on your person, so it appears that if you have it locked up unloaded going through MA a mag greater than 10 rounds is legal, carry it on your person or use in self defense and there is no federal relief against the new MA law making both of those a crime. Just my opinion, not an attorney |
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Originally Posted By Blain: That makes zero sense. You're talking in circles. Sounds like cope from MA residents upset that non residents are being granted more freedom where as they are loosing more freedom. The one thing I do agree with you on is cops not caring and trying to arrest and charge you anyway. I realize you have zero idea how MA laws work. Especially for firearms laws. If you ever decide to look at the laws, you will consistently see how they contradict each other, and regular make you go in circles. If you think Mach is upset at non residents being "granted more freedom", you should see how much freedom is granted to criminals in MA. Please stop antagonizing people who are in the middle of trying to interpret the new bs that Healey is dumping on the law abiding citizens, once again. Why do you think I moved to a freedom loving state? |
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Originally Posted By djsmiles: I realize you have zero idea how MA laws work. Especially for firearms laws. If you ever decide to look at the laws, you will consistently see how they contradict each other, and regular make you go in circles. If you think Mach is upset at non residents being "granted more freedom", you should see how much freedom is granted to criminals in MA. Please stop antagonizing people who are in the middle of trying to interpret the new bs that Healey is dumping on the law abiding citizens, once again. Why do you think I moved to a freedom loving state? Originally Posted By djsmiles: Originally Posted By Blain: That makes zero sense. You're talking in circles. Sounds like cope from MA residents upset that non residents are being granted more freedom where as they are loosing more freedom. The one thing I do agree with you on is cops not caring and trying to arrest and charge you anyway. I realize you have zero idea how MA laws work. Especially for firearms laws. If you ever decide to look at the laws, you will consistently see how they contradict each other, and regular make you go in circles. If you think Mach is upset at non residents being "granted more freedom", you should see how much freedom is granted to criminals in MA. Please stop antagonizing people who are in the middle of trying to interpret the new bs that Healey is dumping on the law abiding citizens, once again. Why do you think I moved to a freedom loving state? I obviously have a better understanding of how the gun laws work than you do, so don't speak out of turn to try to antagonize if you won't answer the question. The new law allows non residents to vehicle carry, and that's a fact. Was your UN "Brownie" or some derivative of on another forum? |
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Originally Posted By Blain: I obviously have a better understanding of how the gun laws work than you do, so don't speak out of turn to try to antagonize if you won't answer the question. The new law allows non residents to vehicle carry, and that's a fact. Was your UN "Brownie" or some derivative of on another forum? Do you? I have lived in MA for 46 years, and have only recently moved to TX. Wtf are you talking about, "UN Brownie"? Is that even english? I was at the state house in July of 2016. Where were you? I have largely let this htf be as lightly moderated as possible. Same can't be said for most other htf's here on arfcom. But don't come in here telling folks who live this crap that they don't know what they are talking about. I'm not saying they know more than you, but they deal with navigating the confusing and convoluted bullshit laws that Healey and the law makers love to throw out on a whim. Eta- In your thread title, you ask for clarification. Folks are trying to decipher the law, and give you that clarification. Just understand, that trying to clarify gun laws in MA aren't as clear as they may seem to be, because DA's in MA will twist the law to jam you up. It's by design, it's not a flaw. |
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Originally Posted By djsmiles: Do you? I have lived in MA for 46 years, and have only recently moved to TX. Wtf are you talking about, "UN Brownie"? Is that even english? I was at the state house in July of 2016. Where were you? Originally Posted By djsmiles: Originally Posted By Blain: I obviously have a better understanding of how the gun laws work than you do, so don't speak out of turn to try to antagonize if you won't answer the question. The new law allows non residents to vehicle carry, and that's a fact. Was your UN "Brownie" or some derivative of on another forum? Do you? I have lived in MA for 46 years, and have only recently moved to TX. Wtf are you talking about, "UN Brownie"? Is that even english? I was at the state house in July of 2016. Where were you? My apologies, allow me elaborate further. Did you used to belong / post in the M14forum.com with the username, "Brownie", or some derivative there of? I seem to recall a poster there with a very similar avatar to yours who also lived in MA. And this new law does allow vehicle carry (as some of the posters here who live and breath as recognized). We're just trying to figure out to what extent. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: My apologies, allow me elaborate further. Did you used to belong / post in the M14forum.com with the username, "Brownie", or some derivative there of? I seem to recall a poster there with a very similar avatar to yours who also lived in MA. And this new law does allow vehicle carry (as some of the posters here who live and breath as recognized). We're just trying to figure out to what extent. I have never been a member of m14forum. That's a pic of me, that my son took. And like I said, folks are trying to get you a more precise answer, and laws in MA are intentionally left open ended and vague, so even if you are complying, they can manufacture a way to jam you up. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: From the GD thread about the new law that was passed. "Non-residents can carry in the car while driving through MA. Gun must remain in the car and locked up if out of their control. (129C (m) for reference). This is actually pretty shocking A locked glovebox or console meets the requirements for storage." But now it's illegal to bring "high cap mags" into the state. So you can legally carry now while passing over / through the Mass border as long as you are legal to do so in your state? What if you are carrying a 15 round magazine? Does that become illegal or legal since it is illegal in MA but legal in ones home state? Is the concealed carry while driving in a vehicle only legal if it's a 10 round capacity or less? And can you stop and eat / etc while in MA as long as you lock your pistol in a locked container? That is a huge step up for CC freedoms to non residents. |
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Originally Posted By remarcablearms: The State is just now doing what Federsal law has allowed forever. This is no big deal the state has done nothing for you. Originally Posted By remarcablearms: Originally Posted By Blain: From the GD thread about the new law that was passed. "Non-residents can carry in the car while driving through MA. Gun must remain in the car and locked up if out of their control. (129C (m) for reference). This is actually pretty shocking A locked glovebox or console meets the requirements for storage." But now it's illegal to bring "high cap mags" into the state. So you can legally carry now while passing over / through the Mass border as long as you are legal to do so in your state? What if you are carrying a 15 round magazine? Does that become illegal or legal since it is illegal in MA but legal in ones home state? Is the concealed carry while driving in a vehicle only legal if it's a 10 round capacity or less? And can you stop and eat / etc while in MA as long as you lock your pistol in a locked container? That is a huge step up for CC freedoms to non residents. Wrong. The state never allowed me to drive within its borders while conceal carrying a loaded pistol on my person (passing through or otherwise) without a license before.... 
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Originally Posted By Blain: Wrong. The state never allowed me to drive within its borders while conceal carrying a loaded pistol on my person (passing through or otherwise) without a license before.... |
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Originally Posted By LenS: And federal law still doesn't allow carrying a loaded pistol crossing state lines either. FOPA is unloaded, locked up, ammo secured separately. Not talking about fopa... Read the bill. And your "understanding" of Fed law is totally wrong. I can legally cross from VT through NH, into ME while concealed carrying... All states have constitutional carry. And for other states. Say FL and SC, if you have a carry permit in both you can legally drive from one to the other while carrying... You really need to brush up on the law! |
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Originally Posted By Blain: Not talking about fopa... Read the bill. And your "understanding" of Fed law is totally wrong. I can legally cross from VT through NH, into ME while concealed carrying... All states have constitutional carry. And for other states. Say FL and SC, if you have a carry permit in both you can legally drive from one to the other while carrying... You really need to brush up on the law! @Blain I’m gonna ask you to talk to me like I’m a five year old and draw this out with a crayon and provide links. Where in firearm owners protection act (FOPA) Does it state you can conceal carry through states that you do not have a permit for? I’m not talking about constitutional carry states like New Hampshire or permitless carry like Vermont either. If I want to travel through the state of Massachusetts from New Hampshire to Rhode Island, I could not legally carry a firearm on my person within that state of Massachusetts without a permit. FOPA Allows you to travel with the firearm from one legal state to another legal state, providing the firearm is unloaded and in a secured container. I might be misreading but you’re earlier post on this thread states the same but the most recent posts don’t quite make sense. |
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Originally Posted By steve8140: @Blain I’m gonna ask you to talk to me like I’m a five year old and draw this out with a crayon and provide links. Where in firearm owners protection act (FOPA) Does it state you can conceal carry through states that you do not have a permit for? I might be misreading but you’re earlier post on this thread states the same but the most recent posts don’t quite make sense. Originally Posted By steve8140: Originally Posted By Blain: Not talking about fopa... Read the bill. And your "understanding" of Fed law is totally wrong. I can legally cross from VT through NH, into ME while concealed carrying... All states have constitutional carry. And for other states. Say FL and SC, if you have a carry permit in both you can legally drive from one to the other while carrying... You really need to brush up on the law! @Blain I’m gonna ask you to talk to me like I’m a five year old and draw this out with a crayon and provide links. Where in firearm owners protection act (FOPA) Does it state you can conceal carry through states that you do not have a permit for? I might be misreading but you’re earlier post on this thread states the same but the most recent posts don’t quite make sense. @steve8140 I wasn't the one who brought up FOPA (that was some ignorant poster spreading dissinfo). FOPA doesn't have anything to do with conceal carrying a firearm just peaceable travel through states while transporting firearms in locked containers. Fed law doesn't govern CCW and has nothing to do with it, state law does. The new MA law (outlined in my OP) allows out of state residents to conceal carry a handgun while in a vehicle, without a MA license, if just traveling through the state (not stopping). Here is the official bill text off the MA legislature's own website: https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H4885 1302 (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. Furthermore, if you are a non resident "just traveling through" you do NOT have to register your firearms in accordance to the new law (unlike everybody else). 421 (d) This section shall not apply to firearms:..... 424 (iii) possessed by individuals 425 lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; So some good news for us nonresidents who would always try to avoid accidentally driving through MA like the plague (which was especially annoying considering that GPS would often route you through the state if you were traveling anywhere near the border). |
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I’m waiting to see how they plan on implementing a registration for non residents and mostly what the compliance level will be. I know a lot of non residents who travel and work in MA on a regular basis and none of them will be registering anything. It will be interesting to see what happens when people start getting caught carrying. |
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Originally Posted By steve8140: I’m waiting to see how they plan on implementing a registration for non residents and mostly what the compliance level will be. I know a lot of non residents who travel and work in MA on a regular basis and none of them will be registering anything. It will be interesting to see what happens when people start getting caught carrying. They likely won't renew their yearly carry permits if the non residents don't submit anything for registration. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: They likely won't renew their yearly carry permits if the non residents don't submit anything for registration. Can’t imagine that would go well. Even as a non-resident, the Bruen decision requires them to issue a permit unless there are prohibited person reasons. Suitability and all requirements are gone. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: They likely won't renew their yearly carry permits if the non residents don't submit anything for registration. I don't stay overnight anywhere in MA, but do travel there for medical appointments, my annual LEOSA qualification, and to meet friends for dinner. MA CMRs require me to buy the NR LTC annually in order to certify students to get their MA LTCs and in order to do my annual LEOSA qualification (in direct violation of the Fed law that established LEOSA). I'm not registering anything in MA, although almost everything I own was FA-10'd when I bought them as a MA subject years ago. |
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You guys say "that won't fly" like MA is afraid of a handful of out of state gun owners reactions...  You do realize that MA basically just banned all semi autos in the state right? For millions of its own residents. They clearly did not have a concern with "how it would fly" with millions of their own TAX PAYING people. Yet you think they're worried about a handful of out of staters? Yeah, I'm sure deep blue Mass is reaaaal scared of the few red politically leaning non tax paying out of staters not being happy with their law changes. And if they make the registration a part of obtaining the permit (like all the other requirements and hoops they make you jump through, that you currently jump through to get it), then if you choose to not fulfill the permit requirements, then that's on you. That's like saying now, "I don't want to do the training class, I think that's BS." You can fail to meet a requirement, you just simply won't get the permit. Otherwise I'd like the see the cases of non resident applicants that were issued permits without fulfilling all the mandated requirements... I'll wait. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: @steve8140 I wasn't the one who brought up FOPA (that was some ignorant poster spreading dissinfo). FOPA doesn't have anything to do with conceal carrying a firearm just peaceable travel through states while transporting firearms in locked containers. Fed law doesn't govern CCW and has nothing to do with it, state law does. The new MA law (outlined in my OP) allows out of state residents to conceal carry a handgun while in a vehicle, without a MA license, if just traveling through the state (not stopping). Here is the official bill text off the MA legislature's own website: https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H4885 1302 (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. Furthermore, if you are a non resident "just traveling through" you do NOT have to register your firearms in accordance to the new law (unlike everybody else). 421 (d) This section shall not apply to firearms:..... 424 (iii) possessed by individuals 425 lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; So some good news for us nonresidents who would always try to avoid accidentally driving through MA like the plague (which was especially annoying considering that GPS would often route you through the state if you were traveling anywhere near the border). Originally Posted By Blain: @steve8140 I wasn't the one who brought up FOPA (that was some ignorant poster spreading dissinfo). FOPA doesn't have anything to do with conceal carrying a firearm just peaceable travel through states while transporting firearms in locked containers. Fed law doesn't govern CCW and has nothing to do with it, state law does. The new MA law (outlined in my OP) allows out of state residents to conceal carry a handgun while in a vehicle, without a MA license, if just traveling through the state (not stopping). Here is the official bill text off the MA legislature's own website: https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H4885 1302 (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. Furthermore, if you are a non resident "just traveling through" you do NOT have to register your firearms in accordance to the new law (unlike everybody else). 421 (d) This section shall not apply to firearms:..... 424 (iii) possessed by individuals 425 lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; So some good news for us nonresidents who would always try to avoid accidentally driving through MA like the plague (which was especially annoying considering that GPS would often route you through the state if you were traveling anywhere near the border). There are already state agencies claiming that there are added requirements for the firearm to be unloaded and in a secured container. https://www.mass.gov/info-details/hunting-with-a-firearm-in-massachusetts#non-residents- Non-residents may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through Massachusetts, provided the firearm remains in the vehicle and is stored unloaded in a secure container. |
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Originally Posted By JAD: There are already state agencies claiming that there are added requirements for the firearm to be unloaded and in a secured container. https://www.mass.gov/info-details/hunting-with-a-firearm-in-massachusetts#non-residents- Originally Posted By JAD: There are already state agencies claiming that there are added requirements for the firearm to be unloaded and in a secured container. https://www.mass.gov/info-details/hunting-with-a-firearm-in-massachusetts#non-residents- At the top of the page you linked: Notice: Significant changes were recently made to Massachusetts firearms laws and are set to take effect October 2024. The following guidance does not include all applicable firearms laws and is subject to change. Massachusetts firearms licensing laws can be found in M.G.L. Ch. 140 sections 121-131Y. The information on this page is provided by the Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife (MassWildlife) as a public service. No attempt is made to render legal advice and MassWildlife is not liable for errors. At least it looks like I can still hunt there: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 (j) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic and ammunition therefor: (i) to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence, which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131, as determined by the colonel of the state police pursuant to subsection (l); (ii) while on a firing or shooting range; (iii) while traveling in or through the commonwealth; provided, that the rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic shall be unloaded and in a locked container pursuant to sections 131C and 131L; or (iv) while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association. |
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Originally Posted By eric496: At the top of the page you linked: At least it looks like I can still hunt there: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 Please let me know if I'm wrong. Originally Posted By eric496: Originally Posted By JAD: There are already state agencies claiming that there are added requirements for the firearm to be unloaded and in a secured container. https://www.mass.gov/info-details/hunting-with-a-firearm-in-massachusetts#non-residents- At the top of the page you linked: Notice: Significant changes were recently made to Massachusetts firearms laws and are set to take effect October 2024. The following guidance does not include all applicable firearms laws and is subject to change. Massachusetts firearms licensing laws can be found in M.G.L. Ch. 140 sections 121-131Y. The information on this page is provided by the Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife (MassWildlife) as a public service. No attempt is made to render legal advice and MassWildlife is not liable for errors. At least it looks like I can still hunt there: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 (j) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic and ammunition therefor: (i) to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence, which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131, as determined by the colonel of the state police pursuant to subsection (l); (ii) while on a firing or shooting range; (iii) while traveling in or through the commonwealth; provided, that the rifles and shotguns that are not large capacity or semi-automatic shall be unloaded and in a locked container pursuant to sections 131C and 131L; or (iv) while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association. My point was not to claim that Mass Wildlife was accurately representing what was passed- but rather to point out that there are state agencies that are reading the newly passed provision in a way that many hear did not think was possible. My hopes is that EOPSS is able to release something authoritative about non-residents.... You are correct about the long gun exemption for hunters (and people engaged in certain other activities). The exemption is slighty more restrictive than it previously was and no longer covers semi-automatic or large capacity long guns. In other words, a non-resident hunter could utilize that exemption to hunt with (for example) a Winchester 1300 (pump shotgun, 5 shot tube) but not a Winchester 1400 (semi auto, 2 shot tube magazine). I would really like to know what the state is interpreting a non-resident LTC as being allowed to possess. |
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Originally Posted By JAD: I would really like to know what the state is interpreting a non-resident LTC as being allowed to possess. I’m also looking for answered in this. As a non-resident with a MA LTC, what am I legally able to posess at this point? Can I carry any normal semi auto with a 10 round mag like an Sig, Glock or M&P? I’ve read several pages of opinions with links but haven’t read anything with real details. |
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**** UPDATE **** (as of 10/09/24) This is 100% legit. HERE is a new link to the actual codified law, vs just a link to a bill text, as the bill is now law! https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 Below quoted bill text is now codified into the law in Chapter 135: Section 45(k) (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in accordance with section 131C. The nature of the text remains the same. The other provision mentioned in the bill that does NOT require non residents to register their firearms while traveling through the state (unlike those with nonresident LTCs who have to) is: Section 32(d): (d) This section shall not apply to firearms: (iii) possessed by individuals lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; provided, however, that the firearms are stored in accordance with sections 131C and 131L; Section 131C (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a license issued pursuant to section 129B, 131 or 131F or through an exemption under section 129C shall carry the loaded firearm in a vehicle unless the loaded firearm while carried in the vehicle is under the direct control of the person. Whoever violates this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. Section 131L |