Posted: 9/14/2024 11:44:07 AM EDT
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**** UPDATE **** (as of 10/09/24) This is 100% legit. HERE is a new link to the actual codified law, vs just a link to a bill text, as the bill is now law! https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 Below quoted bill text is now codified into the law in Chapter 135: Section 45(k) (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in accordance with section 131C. The nature of the text remains the same. The other provision mentioned in the bill that does NOT require non residents to register their firearms while traveling through the state (unlike those with nonresident LTCs who have to) is: Section 32(d): (d) This section shall not apply to firearms: (iii) possessed by individuals lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; provided, however, that the firearms are stored in accordance with sections 131C and 131L; Section 131C (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a license issued pursuant to section 129B, 131 or 131F or through an exemption under section 129C shall carry the loaded firearm in a vehicle unless the loaded firearm while carried in the vehicle is under the direct control of the person. Whoever violates this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. Section 131L ------------------------------------------------------- Some GOOD NEWS for us NH residents from the MA bill that just passed. Not sure if the high cap mag restrictions apply or not if just passing through. It appears that if you DO stop for any reason (to get gas, grab a bite, etc) you are ok as long as you store your firearm in a locked container. A locked glovebox, or center console, meets the 131c requirements for storage. Here is the official bill text off the MA legislature's own website: https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/H4885 1302 (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully 1303 traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the 1304 vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in 1305 accordance with section 131C. Furthermore, if you are a non resident "just traveling through" you do NOT have to register your firearms in accordance to the new law (unlike everybody else). 421 (d) This section shall not apply to firearms:..... 424 (iii) possessed by individuals 425 lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; So some good news for us nonresidents who would always try to avoid accidentally driving through MA like the plague (which was especially annoying considering that GPS would often route you through the state if you were traveling anywhere near the border). It's ironic that MA passes the most anti gun legislation in history for their own residents, and non residents actually gained freedom from it that they didn't have before! |
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Originally Posted By ALostKey: There’s gotta be a catch. Yeah, it's you being proned out by some masshole cop for possessing a firearm. |
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Originally Posted By FDC: Yeah, it's you being proned out by some masshole cop for possessing a firearm. Originally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By ALostKey: There’s gotta be a catch. Yeah, it's you being proned out by some masshole cop for possessing a firearm. 100%!!! They won't know, or care about the new law (esp at first). And, as the old saying goes, you may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. Again, carry in MA (even if just driving through) at your own risk. But, it is good to know that if you do accidentally skirt borders while en-route to your NH destination (a common occurrence for those who reside close to the border) that you are legally in the right. |
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Originally Posted By Blain:But, it is good to know that if you do accidentally skirt borders while en-route to your NH destination (a common occurrence for those who reside close to the border) that you are legally in the right I used to live in Windham, and this was a big problem - especially in Salem. |
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Originally Posted By ALostKey: There’s gotta be a catch. I imagine it's something to do with the ongoing cases regarding this issue and MA lawmakers being concerned about their current law being eliminated totally in court. https://www.doj.nh.gov/news-and-media/new-hampshire-files-brief-supporting-legal-challenge-application-massachusetts-gun AKA, they know they're probably going to lose those cases, so they cut off the cases that can lose in court to keep the rest of the law. |
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Originally Posted By heavyduty: I used to live in Windham, and this was a big problem - especially in Salem. Originally Posted By heavyduty: Originally Posted By Blain:But, it is good to know that if you do accidentally skirt borders while en-route to your NH destination (a common occurrence for those who reside close to the border) that you are legally in the right I used to live in Windham, and this was a big problem - especially in Salem. 100%!!! Anyone who lives, or frequents the southern part of the state has experienced these concerns first hand! Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: I imagine it's something to do with the ongoing cases regarding this issue and MA lawmakers being concerned about their current law being eliminated totally in court. https://www.doj.nh.gov/news-and-media/new-hampshire-files-brief-supporting-legal-challenge-application-massachusetts-gun AKA, they know they're probably going to lose those cases, so they cut off the cases that can lose in court to keep the rest of the law. That's a little different though. Those were people who weren't just "passing through" say driving from Nashua to Keene and they crossed the border on route. Those were people who were in MA for one reason or another. Just carrying normally like they would be in NH. |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Unless you're doing a quicker east/west dip, I don't see how going through Massachusetts gets us anywhere legal. Connecticut? New York? It's a step, and I'm glad for it. I just don't see what it gets us except for a mulligan in a traffic stop. If you live, work, or visit near the border those "dips" are vitally important... Also, if you're south side, many routes to ME and VT take you through MA. |
| I wonder how the law would pertain to, for example, driving down to Logan to drop somebody off. Is the law only for "passing through", like 18 USC ~ 926A, or can you have a destination in state? |
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson
"He didnt punch anybody. He punched an idea." DrFrige
Thomas Jefferson
"He didnt punch anybody. He punched an idea." DrFrige
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Originally Posted By JCoop: I wonder how the law would pertain to, for example, driving down to Logan to drop somebody off. Is the law only for "passing through", like 18 USC ~ 926A, or can you have a destination in state? Having a destination in state is not "passing through". Though I have heard it argued that, under this new law, if you DO stop you can lock your gun in a locked container (glove box / center console) and re-arm when you enter your vehicle to leave. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: Having a destination in state is not "passing through". Though I have heard it argued that, under this new law, if you DO stop you can lock your gun in a locked container (glove box / center console) and re-arm when you enter your vehicle to leave. |
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson
"He didnt punch anybody. He punched an idea." DrFrige
Thomas Jefferson
"He didnt punch anybody. He punched an idea." DrFrige
| The approved law: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 |
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**** UPDATE **** (as of 10/09/24) This is 100% legit. HERE is a new link to the actual codified law, vs just a link to a bill text, as the bill is now law! https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2024/Chapter135 Below quoted bill text is now codified into the law in Chapter 135: Section 45(k) (k) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in accordance with section 131C. The nature of the text remains the same. The other provision mentioned in the bill that does NOT require non residents to register their firearms while traveling through the state (unlike those with nonresident LTCs who have to) is: Section 32(d): (d) This section shall not apply to firearms: (iii) possessed by individuals lawfully traveling through the commonwealth in the care and custody of a nonresident owner; provided, however, that the firearms are stored in accordance with sections 131C and 131L; Section 131C (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a license issued pursuant to section 129B, 131 or 131F or through an exemption under section 129C shall carry the loaded firearm in a vehicle unless the loaded firearm while carried in the vehicle is under the direct control of the person. Whoever violates this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. Section 131L |
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Originally Posted By Blain: **** UPDATE **** (as of 10/09/24) This is 100% legit. HERE is a new link to the actual codified law, vs just a link to a bill text, as the bill is now law It sounds good. But I would not want to be the test case. |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Unless you're doing a quicker east/west dip, I don't see how going through Massachusetts gets us anywhere legal. Connecticut? New York? It's a step, and I'm glad for it. I just don't see what it gets us except for a mulligan in a traffic stop. Yeah, were sorta landlocked here as a 2A state. Sucks. Never get off the boat. Good for you guys in the lower half though, hopefully. Still wouldn't trust any MA cop to honor this new law though. |