Posted: 11/7/2018 8:39:14 PM EDT
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I found this on the NW Firearms thread. It was written by an attorney.
https://www.kertchenlaw.com/blog/initiative-1639-what-you-need-to-know/ |
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The Medical Waiver section says "...this has applied to handgun purchases since 1994."
Two questions: 1. Has this medical waiver for handguns been based on federal or WA state law? 2. It says that "...it constitutes a waiver of confidentiality of health records for determining eligibility to purchase a firearm." How is this conducted exactly? Are they saying that during the background check and 10 day waiting period law enforcement will be contacting our doctors?? How will they know this info? Or are we just waiving our confidentiality to health records IF we become the subject of a criminal investigation? I'm not saying this is good, I just would like to know the specifics...especially if it's been this way since 1994 with handgun purchases! |
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per the linked article: Registry - The initiative also creates a registry of "assault rifle" purchases to be maintained by the Department of Licensing. This already occurs for handgun purchases, and would function in the same way. The initiative also requires a warning on the purchase application to state that the presence of a firearm in the home has been associated with increased risk of death to self or others.
So it does create a new registration db of whatever they define as the evil, scary ficticious 'assault rifle' which we all know if unchallenged will ultimately mean anything semi-auto and eventually anything period.... Is there a provision (yet) to force currently unregistered firearms to be entered into the db? for example someone who moves and already has firearms? |
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state law 1994 up until i594. every pta you signed you gave the state or local pd the option of doing a mental health check if they wanted to. with i594 it became a requirement.
and instead of the local pd just doing a mental health check they re ran your nics, which is the primary reason the feds told the state to get their shit together since 2 or more background checks were run but only 1 tied to the 4473 which was never the one listed on the 4473 during audits |
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Originally Posted By pigmypuncher:
per the linked article: Registry - The initiative also creates a registry of "assault rifle" purchases to be maintained by the Department of Licensing. This already occurs for handgun purchases, and would function in the same way. The initiative also requires a warning on the purchase application to state that the presence of a firearm in the home has been associated with increased risk of death to self or others. So it does create a new registration db of whatever they define as the evil, scary ficticious 'assault rifle' which we all know if unchallenged will ultimately mean anything semi-auto and eventually anything period.... Is there a provision (yet) to force currently unregistered firearms to be entered into the db? for example someone who moves and already has firearms? |
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It would be interesting to learn how the mental health investigations are conducted, what the standards are, are records of that investigation kept and if so where, and if the standards vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Basically, it would be interesting to learn about the investigations, process for them, and related items. So if someone bought a handgun in 1995 (after the 1994 inception of the "waiver" statute) would the state consider that they forever have a release for someone's mental health records? If there are no controls on the release of information, or if the process is a secret, it would be easy for a political rival to initiate a search into a rivals health records under the guise of searching for mental health issues, as long as they bought a handgun after 1995...frightening. |
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Originally Posted By Genin:
It would be interesting to learn how the mental health investigations are conducted, what the standards are, are records of that investigation kept and if so where, and if the standards vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Basically, it would be interesting to learn about the investigations, process for them, and related items. So if someone bought a handgun in 1995 (after the 1994 inception of the "waiver" statute) would the state consider that they forever have a release for someone's mental health records? If there are no controls on the release of information, or if the process is a secret, it would be easy for a political rival to initiate a search into a rivals health records under the guise of searching for mental health issues, as long as they bought a handgun after 1995...frightening. |
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Originally Posted By pigmypuncher:
per the linked article: Registry - The initiative also creates a registry of "assault rifle" purchases to be maintained by the Department of Licensing. This already occurs for handgun purchases, and would function in the same way. The initiative also requires a warning on the purchase application to state that the presence of a firearm in the home has been associated with increased risk of death to self or others. So it does create a new registration db of whatever they define as the evil, scary ficticious 'assault rifle' which we all know if unchallenged will ultimately mean anything semi-auto and eventually anything period.... Is there a provision (yet) to force currently unregistered firearms to be entered into the db? for example someone who moves and already has firearms? |
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Originally Posted By Peaches_Sabrina: So apparently Turdeson actually came up with an answer he said that the ban on selling to 18-21's was "Temporary".... Do you have a source for this information? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By twodeucetrey: Do you have a source for this information? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/90628/Desire_to_Know_More_Intensifies_jpg-1346497.JPG https://twitter.com/AGOWA/status/1245386490781163520?s=20 |
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Originally Posted By Peaches_Sabrina: Originally Posted By twodeucetrey: Do you have a source for this information? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/90628/Desire_to_Know_More_Intensifies_jpg-1346497.JPG https://twitter.com/AGOWA/status/1245386490781163520?s=20 Interesting. I am curious as to his use of the word "temporary" in his tweet. I read the entire 55 page motion and saw nothing hinting at the age restriction expiring at any time, so I read RCW 9.41.240 and I do not see any date of expiry codified. Maybe Bob will get back to me. If he does, I'll let y'all know. |
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The actual date is unknown until the WSP figures out how they are going to do the new background checks. I suspect it will be delayed for a while with all the other craziness going on. The deadline set by law was originally June 30, 2022 but it got updated with HB 2555 they passed this session. There's a good summary in the waguns reddit here. https://www.reddit.com/r/WA_guns/comments/fjai1v/2020_legislative_session_end_of_session_review/ |
| Usually most crap passed by the legislature takes effect on July 1 of the year it passes. I haven't heard a definitive answer yet Though |
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Originally Posted By Ryo: lowers fall under other, so dealers call the FBI. Don't know about July 1st if anything changes. At this point, the only thing I've heard is that our extension expires on July 1st. This means that dealers will not be able to process BGCs through NICS for anything classified as an "Other". Has anyone heard anything different recently on this? |