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1/20/2009 10:12:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By Mand76:
Originally Posted By GreenRifle:
Originally Posted By Mand76:
Silvertip-  Isn't it a pain in the butt to pull your bullets and then trim the cases DOWN to the MAX OAL for deer hunting in the state?




He doesnt have to, 458 SOCOM is deer legal in Indiana.



You sure about the length as well as caliber?  I know the caliber is good, but was told OAL was a hair too long.  I was told it was specifically because of it's length.  Supposedly a DNR officer stopped someone and MADE them leave the area.  Didn't confiscate their rifle but asked if they reloaded and when they said no, knew immediately they were too long...


The DNR officer should have looked on page 8 of the 2008-2009 Indiana hunting regulations manual –– the .458 SOCOM is listed there plain as day as a legal deer cartridge. I should know, as I'm the one who got them to include it on the list. The case length on the .458 SOCOM is 1.575" –– well under the maximum limit of 1.625".

On the other hand, the .50 Beowulf is a little too long at 1.655". Perhaps he confused the .458 SOCOM with the .50 Beowulf.

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein
1/24/2009 7:36:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GreenRifle][Edited] [#2]
Originally Posted By Mand76:
Originally Posted By GreenRifle:
Originally Posted By Mand76:
Silvertip-  Isn't it a pain in the butt to pull your bullets and then trim the cases DOWN to the MAX OAL for deer hunting in the state?




He doesnt have to, 458 SOCOM is deer legal in Indiana.



You sure about the length as well as caliber?  I know the caliber is good, but was told OAL was a hair too long.  I was told it was specifically because of it's length.  Supposedly a DNR officer stopped someone and MADE them leave the area.  Didn't confiscate their rifle but asked if they reloaded and when they said no, knew immediately they were too long...


Yes. I am sure.http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf
http://archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=30&t=314986
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=30&t=334937&page=1
Deer Hunting Equipment
FIREARMS SEASON
Shotguns, handguns, rifles with pistol cartridges, muzzleloading long guns and muzzleloading handguns are legal during the firearms season. Hunters may carry more than one type of legal firearm when hunting during the firearms season only.
Shotguns
Shotguns must be 10, 12, 16, or 20-gauge or .410 bore loaded with slugs or saboted bullets.
�� Rifled slug barrels are permitted.
�� Combination rifle-shotguns are not allowed.
Handguns
Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long.
��
Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted.
�� Handguns are not permitted on any military areas.
Some types of handgun cartridges legal for deer hunting include:
.357 Magnum
.41 Magnum
.44 Magnum
.44 Special
.45 Colt
.45 Long Colt
.45 Winchester Magnum
.35 Remington
.357 Herrett.
Some illegal handgun cartridges for deer hunting are 38 Special, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Colt New Police, 38/200, 38 Long Colt, 38 Super, 38 ACP, 38 Colt Auto, 45 ACP, 45 Automatic and 45 Auto Rim. All 25/20, 32/20 and 30 carbine ammunition is prohibited also.
Rifles with pistol cartridges
Rifles must fire a cartridge with a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches.
�� These rifle cartridges can be used only during the deer firearms season.
Some cartridges that are legal include the following:
.357 Magnum
.38-40 Winchester
.41 Magnum
.41 Special
.44 Magnum
.44 Special
.44-40 Winchester
.45 Colt
.454 Casull
.458 SOCOM
.480 Ruger
.475 Linebaugh
.50 Action Express
.500 S&W
Some illegal rifle cartridges for deer hunting are the .30-30 Winchester, .444 Marlin and .45-70 Govt.
Muzzleloaders
Muzzleloading firearms must be .44 caliber or larger loaded with a single bullet of at least .357 caliber.
��Saboted bullets are allowed, provided the bullet is .357 caliber or larger.
��Multiple-barrel muzzleloading long guns are allowed.
Muzzleloading handguns are allowed.
The muzzleloading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least 12 inches long, measured from the base of the breech plug excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel including the muzzle crown.
MUZZLELOADER SEASON
Only muzzleloading firearms are legal during the muzzleloader season.
��A muzzleloading firearm must be capable of being loaded from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet. Muzzleloading firearms must be .44 caliber or larger loaded with a single bullet of at least .357 caliber.
��Saboted bullets are allowed, provided the bullet is .357 caliber or larger.
��Multiple-barrel muzzleloading long guns are allowed.
�� Muzzleloading handguns are allowed. The muzzleloading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least 12 inches long, measured from the base of the breech plug excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel including the muzzle crown.
ARCHERY SEASON
Legal archery equipment includes long bows, compound bows or recurve bows and arrows.
�� The bow must have a pull of at least 35 pounds.
�� Arrows must be tipped with broadheads that are metal, metal-edged, or napped flint, chert or obsidian.
�� Poisoned or exploding arrows are illegal.
�� Bows drawn, held or released by means other than by hand or hand-held releases may not be used. Draw-loc devices are illegal.
��
No portion of the bow’s riser or any track, trough, channel, arrow rest or other device that attaches to the bow’s riser can guide the arrow from a point back beyond the bow’s brace height.
��
The common overdraw is still allowed as long as it does not extend beyond the string when the bow is relaxed.
�� It is illegal to possess firearms while hunting deer with a bow and arrow, except for a handgun that is possessed under a personal protection permit.
�� A bow may be possessed in the field before and after legal shooting hours only if the nock of the arrow is not placed on the bow string.
Crossbows (Legal in Late Archery Deer Season only)
Crossbows are legal hunting equipment during the late archery deer season only.
��
Deer hunters may use crossbows to harvest deer of either sex only in the late archery season.
��
Crossbows must have a minimum 125-pound pull and a mechanical safety.
��
It is illegal to have an arrow placed on the crossbow string outside of legal deer hunting hours while in the field.
Carrying Firearms
It is legal to carry a handgun while hunting deer during the archery, firearm and muzzleloader seasons, as long as the handgun is possessed under a personal protection permit. It is not legal to take a deer with a handgun except during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons and in compliance with DNR regulations.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass". Admiral Yamamoto

"I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns" Bob Lee Swagger

I'm Bitter
1/25/2009 6:23:32 PM EDT
[#3]


CMMG M4


Saiga 223



Spike's lower with a Del-Ton 20" kit
2/3/2009 1:12:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cv222005][Edited] [#4]
just got mine over the summer of 08. got it for $760.00 before taxes. only thing i didnt like was the rear buis. they dont have zero marks. ill be changing out the front sight to a folding one as well and replace the rear with a new peep that has the zero marks. plan on an acog and a can when funds allow. last thing will be a durakote in multicam.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/cv222005/100_2554.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/cv222005/100_2565.jpg
2/3/2009 9:22:50 PM EDT
[#5]
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
2/5/2009 5:01:51 AM EDT
[#6]





RRA Lower
Magpul MOE, MIAD, Ladder covers
Trijicon TriPower on ARMS QD
DTI 16", YHM FF Rail, BUIS
Shurefire G2 on SOG Mount

Probably changing to a Tango Down VFG at some point
"Those who make peacefull revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
2/12/2009 5:21:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Pic of the lowers while they were out for the annual cleaning:

2/12/2009 5:31:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Pic of the lowers while they were out for the annual cleaning:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/lowers015.jpg

Nice collection.

Now hurry up and get 'em built into complete rifles. During the last ban, if they weren't assembled into complete rifles before the cut-off, they were considered post-ban lowers. Hopefully we won't have to contend with another ban though.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein
2/12/2009 9:36:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: L0CK_N_L0AD][Edited] [#9]
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Pic of the lowers while they were out for the annual cleaning:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/lowers015.jpg

Nice collection.

Now hurry up and get 'em built into complete rifles. During the last ban, if they weren't assembled into complete rifles before the cut-off, they were considered post-ban lowers. Hopefully we won't have to contend with another ban though.


Thanks M4Madness,

They are all complete rifles, all are M4 types except the three w/ A1/A2 stocks, they are my preban Colts. A couple times a year I take them all out of the safe, clean, lube, carrees, fondle and then put them back in the safe.....

Here is the couch pic.... I still needed a few more uppers back then:

2/28/2009 1:14:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FKERHEAD][Edited] [#10]
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Caution! Known to aggressively attack, particularly when agitated or startled...
3/2/2009 3:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -edgecrusher-][Edited] [#11]


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
3/2/2009 5:14:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FKERHEAD][Edited] [#12]
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Caution! Known to aggressively attack, particularly when agitated or startled...
3/2/2009 5:22:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FKERHEAD][Edited] [#13]
.....
Caution! Known to aggressively attack, particularly when agitated or startled...
3/3/2009 4:23:36 PM EDT
[#14]
It is a work in progress

RRA lower half with RRA two-stage trigger
M1S 14.5" upper with pinned Phantom FH
Aimpoint ML2 with Larue LT-150 mount
Matech BUIS
Spectre sling

Completely unoriginal yet, fundamental quotes
"Let him who desires peace prepare for war" -Vegetius
"It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" -Unkown
3/4/2009 9:36:53 PM EDT
[#15]
The tactical stork delivered this today:

3/18/2009 5:53:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: indybrad][Edited] [#16]



RRA lower
RRA LPK
Hogue Grip
Magpul MOE stock
BCM 16" carbine upper
KAC RIS
Eotech 516
Troy Diamond Head BUIS
3/18/2009 5:56:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
The tactical stork delivered this today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/MSAR.jpg


That's a sweet rig.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein
3/18/2009 7:39:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
The tactical stork delivered this today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/MSAR.jpg


That's a sweet rig.


Thanks.... the ACOG off of my M4gery until I can get an Eotech or Aimpoint.

They are really sweet handling and firing rifles, I missed the tan stocked one.... so maybe I can get a tan one before anything political happens.
3/23/2009 1:41:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Here is a garage sale find over the weekend:

3/27/2009 10:43:38 PM EDT
[#20]
Nice find, how much did you give for it?  I had a Baby Destert Eagle, which I never shot and sold.  



Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Here is a garage sale find over the weekend:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/DE44002.jpg


3/28/2009 10:05:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: L0CK_N_L0AD][Edited] [#21]
Originally Posted By indybrad:
Nice find, how much did you give for it?  I had a Baby Destert Eagle, which I never shot and sold.  



Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Here is a garage sale find over the weekend:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/DE44002.jpg




I purchased a few items so it worked out to xxxx..... now I need some more mags!!!

4/17/2009 7:49:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Added the finishing touches today.  I pieced this together starting with an M&P15 Lower, bought the upper, rail, and front sight off the EE here, and finally got a S&W marked stock last week of the EE.  









S&W M&P15 OR upper with S&W 7" Troy Rail and Rail Covers
S&W M&P15 Lower w/ Del-Ton (or whoever their supplier is) LPK
MI Front Flip Up Sight
YHM Rear BUIS
Aimpoint (Clone) in Aimpoint Mount with Co-Witness Spacer
Blackhawk 3-pt sling.
Brownells 30rd mag with Magpul Gen III Follower and Ranger Plate


I know some folks might knock the Aimpoint clone, but I wasn't sure what I wanted in an optic (EOTech, Aimpoint, ACOG, Traditional Scope, etc), so thought I'd start out with a less expensive clone before I took the plunge for the real one at 5 or 6 times the price.  I've been pleased so far, so plan on keeping it until I need to replace it with the real one.
4/23/2009 6:53:37 PM EDT
[#23]

XCR-L Light 5.56, Aimpoint CompM3 2MOA in Larue mount, Midwest Ind BUIS, Magpul CTR, Magpul MIAD, 20rd PMag, Magpul XT and Ladder rail covers,
Midwest Ind sling mount, Larue FUG, Surefire 6PLED in Larue mount.
4/25/2009 9:18:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coltaceguy][Edited] [#24]
Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Originally Posted By indybrad:
Nice find, how much did you give for it?  I had a Baby Destert Eagle, which I never shot and sold.  



Originally Posted By L0CK_N_L0AD:
Here is a garage sale find over the weekend:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/eagler00/DE44002.jpg




I purchased a few items so it worked out to xxxx..... now I need some more mags!!!



4/30/2009 8:43:27 PM EDT
[#25]






"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..."
-- Richard Henry Lee
5/11/2009 9:52:36 AM EDT
[#26]
5/11/2009 8:48:59 PM EDT
[#27]
Bushy superlight upper from PKF, Bushy lower (FTF purchase), ARMS #40 BUIS and a PMAG, keepin it simple: priceless:

5/16/2009 11:54:26 AM EDT
[#28]


Vector Underfolder

Busse Nuclear Meltdown Special Forces Natural Outlaw (NMSFNO)

Swamp Rat M9 LE
The price of freedom is blood. The moment we're no longer willing to pay that price, we're no longer free. ©1984


5/16/2009 1:20:15 PM EDT
[#29]


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
5/24/2009 12:29:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Black and OD:

FNH FS 2000 & MSAR STG-556







6/22/2009 10:17:31 PM EDT
[#31]
This is my first build that I recently "completed."  I still have plans for switching to a flat-top, maybe a 16 or 18" barrel, and a match trigger group when I can afford it.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/merciful_hate/DSC03457.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/merciful_hate/DSC03456.jpg
DPMS upper 14.5" w/ Phantom FH
RRA Lower
RRA LPK
UTG Ergo
Daniel Defense 7.0 Omega
Spike's 4.5" VFG
VLTOR EMOD

7/2/2009 10:21:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Slow_Hand][Edited] [#32]






Same gun, not so black







And, some video's

AC556 .223

AC556 .22 LR


7/6/2009 6:18:03 PM EDT
[#33]







"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." Patrick Henry
7/9/2009 7:40:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M4Madness][Edited] [#34]
Well, it's not black, but I picked this gem up at Acme Sports this afternoon:



The old adage "Once you go black, you never go back" is antiquated. It should be replaced with "Once you go dark earth, you'll treasure its worth."
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein
7/9/2009 8:23:44 PM EDT
[#35]
You lucky bastard you got it. Saw your other post, glad you got a good deal on it.....still a little spicy for me. Ill be by this weekend to try it out for you, just want to make sure there are no factory defects before you get your hands on it.
7/10/2009 10:35:28 AM EDT
[#36]
M4: Congrats!!!

Thats a beauty!!! Looking forward to a full range report....
7/19/2009 6:17:29 PM EDT
[#37]


Top:  GTS "Operator" Barrel midlength on LMT upper and lower. LaRue 9.0, with TangoDown Stubby VFG, Surefire M951 and Magpuls XTM's. Aimpoint ML2 in LaRue Cantilever and Larue Fixed Buis. Sopmod Stock and MOE grip. I have a Geisslle SSA trigger for it that I havent installed yet.

Bottom: Factory 16" LMT with Boonie Packer Sling
II'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns" Bob Lee Swagger
YOU keep the"CHANGE" I'll keep my Freedom, Guns, Religion and Money
NRA Life member, DAV, Indiana Lifetime L.T.C
7/30/2009 7:10:16 PM EDT
[#38]
SBRs

.45 ACP


.45 ACP


.458 SOCOM


5.56


5.56


6.8 SPC


Rifles and Pistol

6.8 SPC


5.56


5.56


.223


.22 LR


.458 SOCOM


.470 Rhino


5.56 Dizzy


5.56 SPR


.500 Phantom


5.56


6.5 Grendel


6.8 SPC


5.56 BM LEO Marked

Join the N.R.A.
Beware speaking with a sharp tongue as you are apt to cut your own throat.
On the 8th day, God created HKs.
NOT BigBore, owner of ADCO. He's a hell of a nice guy but he's not me.
8/6/2009 5:10:11 PM EDT
[#39]
Wow not I am going to have to count my EBRs.  You may have more than me.
8/6/2009 5:13:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Big-Bore, do you think you have enough AR-15 variants?
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -- Albert Einstein
9/22/2009 5:44:35 PM EDT
[#42]
And heres the starts to two new builds


10/13/2009 3:14:49 PM EDT
[#43]
This one makes it back to E'ville about once a year...



...but you'd never hear it thanks to Tim at SAS.
10/24/2009 7:03:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FKERHEAD][Edited] [#44]
M4A3 Bushmaster



Caution! Known to aggressively attack, particularly when agitated or startled.
Join the NRA!!!
"I'm a whirl-wind in disguise" ... Mrs.FKERHEAD
10/29/2009 6:08:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Durango_USMC][Edited] [#45]
Still black... and no not one of those Century clones.... Just need some more magazines



11/9/2009 10:11:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Here is my deer gun.  It is a RRA 458 SOCOM



11/9/2009 11:02:23 PM EDT
[#48]
My Mk18 Mod1 build. Details can be found on page 17 of the Mk18 thread:













An upper I built and sold to my dad:




Early Vltor upper

Young Mfg. Chrome BCG

DD 10.0 Lite

14.5" Shilen SS barrel with pinned PWS G5 mount

Matech rear

Vltor front gas block/sight




It shoots better than his 16" Stealth





Not gunna lie dude if you didn't have a team membership I probably would have got you one after the severe ass kicking you handed to these fucktards -Foxnews_FTW
11/24/2009 5:27:57 PM EDT
[#49]
The carbine pair:





Only took forever to finish the Krink SBR.
Proud & Procuring member of Ranstad's Militia
12/6/2009 9:39:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Oh, and the Boy's cricket has gotten pretty "black":



Proud & Procuring member of Ranstad's Militia

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