Posted: 6/25/2024 10:48:06 PM EDT
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I started the 14 page permit to acquire two blackpowder pistols (Ruger Old Army - six shot B.P.) And was informed that my permits won’t be allowed to proceed without recent “training” in 2024 (that is valid for four years.) The Hawai‘i Police Department announces that on January 1, 2024, changes in SB1230, the law regarding the firearm permitting process, will go into effect. Among the changes to the application form: Long gun permits Applicants for a long gun permit will be required to have completed a hunter’s education course within the past four years. Permits for long guns are good for one year. Handgun permits Applicants wishing to apply for a handgun will be required to complete a firearms training or safety course within the past four years by a [State & County] certified instructor. Permits for handguns are good for 30 days. The Hawai‘i Police Department is committed to ensuring efficiency and a seamless experience for our community members. Residents interested in more information or in applying for a firearm permit are encouraged to visit hawaiipolice.com or contact the Hawai‘i Police Department Firearms Section at (808) 961-2233. What a pain in the butt to accomplish. This State & each County/Island…[SMH] |
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Originally Posted By William_lxix: I started the 14 page permit to acquire two blackpowder pistols (Ruger Old Army - six shot B.P.) And was informed that my permits won’t be allowed to proceed without recent “training” in 2024 (that is valid for four years.) The Hawai‘i Police Department announces that on January 1, 2024, changes in SB1230, the law regarding the firearm permitting process, will go into effect. Among the changes to the application form: Long gun permits Applicants for a long gun permit will be required to have completed a hunter’s education course within the past four years. Permits for long guns are good for one year. Handgun permits Applicants wishing to apply for a handgun will be required to complete a firearms training or safety course within the past four years by a [State & County] certified instructor. Permits for handguns are good for 30 days. The Hawai‘i Police Department is committed to ensuring efficiency and a seamless experience for our community members. Residents interested in more information or in applying for a firearm permit are encouraged to visit hawaiipolice.com or contact the Hawai‘i Police Department Firearms Section at (808) 961-2233. What a pain in the butt to accomplish. This State & each County/Island…[SMH] I see a possible legal challenge. Thank God I left home. It is going to clough up the system when they did they startesd required training for pistol nearly 30 years ago. |
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It’s literally easier & faster to adopt a child in Hawaii than purchase a handgun. To become Foster Parent in Hawaii, you have to apply for the required license. To obtain the license, you must: Complete a home study Complete Foster Parent training Be financially able to provide for the child Be able to provide a safe, loving and supportive environment for the child Pass an FBI background check, state criminal history check, and a child abuse and neglect registry check Have enough space and meet of home safety regulations required by law 3. Do prospective resource families (foster parents) receive any training? Yes, applicants are required to attend an 15-hour pre-service training, called HANAI. Catholic Charities Hawai’i is contracted by the Department to provide the training. Hawaii Constitution, Article I, Section 17: RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But the the Hawaii Supreme Court rejected the authority of the Supreme Court of the United States [BRUEN Case] and imposed “Spirit of Aloha” whack-a-noodle-ness: A ruling from the Hawaii Supreme Court this week found the Second Amendment does not override “the spirit of Aloha” — a local principle that prioritizes the “life force” of Hawaii residents and reasserts a historic claim the state’s high court said supersedes “a free-wheeling right to carry guns in public [that] degrades other constitutional rights.” The ruling was unanimous. “The spirit of Aloha clashes with a federally-mandated lifestyle that lets citizens walk around with deadly weapons during day-to-day activities,” the 53-page opinion states. “We hold that in Hawaiʻi there is no state constitutional right to carry a firearm in public … The history of the Hawaii resident Islands does not include a society where armed people move about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others,” wrote Hawaii Supreme Court Justice Todd Eddins. |
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Originally Posted By William_lxix: It’s literally easier & faster to adopt a child in Hawaii than purchase a handgun. Hawaii Constitution, Article I, Section 17: RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But the the Hawaii Supreme Court rejected the authority of the Supreme Court of the United States [BRUEN Case] and imposed “Spirit of Aloha” whack-a-noodle-ness: A ruling from the Hawaii Supreme Court this week found the Second Amendment does not override “the spirit of Aloha” — a local principle that prioritizes the “life force” of Hawaii residents and reasserts a historic claim the state’s high court said supersedes “a free-wheeling right to carry guns in public [that] degrades other constitutional rights.” The ruling was unanimous. “The spirit of Aloha clashes with a federally-mandated lifestyle that lets citizens walk around with deadly weapons during day-to-day activities,” the 53-page opinion states. “We hold that in Hawaiʻi there is no state constitutional right to carry a firearm in public … The history of the Hawaii resident Islands does not include a society where armed people move about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others,” wrote Hawaii Supreme Court Justice Todd Eddins. Originally Posted By William_lxix: It’s literally easier & faster to adopt a child in Hawaii than purchase a handgun. To become Foster Parent in Hawaii, you have to apply for the required license. To obtain the license, you must: Complete a home study Complete Foster Parent training Be financially able to provide for the child Be able to provide a safe, loving and supportive environment for the child Pass an FBI background check, state criminal history check, and a child abuse and neglect registry check Have enough space and meet of home safety regulations required by law 3. Do prospective resource families (foster parents) receive any training? Yes, applicants are required to attend an 15-hour pre-service training, called HANAI. Catholic Charities Hawai’i is contracted by the Department to provide the training. Hawaii Constitution, Article I, Section 17: RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. But the the Hawaii Supreme Court rejected the authority of the Supreme Court of the United States [BRUEN Case] and imposed “Spirit of Aloha” whack-a-noodle-ness: A ruling from the Hawaii Supreme Court this week found the Second Amendment does not override “the spirit of Aloha” — a local principle that prioritizes the “life force” of Hawaii residents and reasserts a historic claim the state’s high court said supersedes “a free-wheeling right to carry guns in public [that] degrades other constitutional rights.” The ruling was unanimous. “The spirit of Aloha clashes with a federally-mandated lifestyle that lets citizens walk around with deadly weapons during day-to-day activities,” the 53-page opinion states. “We hold that in Hawaiʻi there is no state constitutional right to carry a firearm in public … The history of the Hawaii resident Islands does not include a society where armed people move about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others,” wrote Hawaii Supreme Court Justice Todd Eddins. That's the huge problem with the Hawaiian political system. No sense whatsoever. I hope someone gets a case going to fight the insanity. |
Yup. What's funny is I accomplished this mandatory training in early 2023 only to find out I had re-do the 'updated' parts of it again earlier this year due to some weird rule change. "The process is the punishment" should be the motto of the HI Democratic party.  With that said, you should reach out to HI Firearms Coalition ( [email protected] ) and see what they say if you haven't already. Reminds me of something they're tracking on:
The lawsuit, filed by attorneys Alan Beck and Kevin O'Grady, challenges the constitutionality of the County's concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit policies, which have been deemed excessively burdensome and a violation of constitutional rights. "HIFICO fully supports Mr Terry's brave legal action against the City and County of Honolulu. The current CCW permit policies are not only overly restrictive but also infringe upon the fundamental rights guaranteed by the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. These policies make it overly complicated and burdensome for law-abiding citizens to obtain the necessary permits to exercise their right to carry concealed firearms for self-defense." |
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Realistically, the new training requirement would be difficult to win in court at this time. The training is seen as reasonable to many judges as long as it's not overreaching, like requiring a week long class every year. Rahimi took us a step back too in this area as SCOTUS relaxed the historical analogue requirement for the government. I can see the permitting requirements eased in the future in the courts with more conservative judges being appointed and other cases go before SCOTUS. But the training requirements will be around for a while. Permits are required for muzzleloaders, but registration is not required. Hunters education would suffice for a permit if it's a long gun and does not have the 4 year requirement. |
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