Posted: 5/1/2025 7:00:24 PM EDT
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Passing this on from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ILGuns/comments/1kckl1q/illinois_glock_gun_ban/ Two Bills have been filed in the house and senate. They both do the same thing: ban any firearm with a cruciform trigger. That essentially means all Glocks. The House Bill, HB 4045 bans them, under the name of the "Responsible Gun Manufacturing Act", filed by house sponsor Justin Slaughter on April 29th, 2025 and subsequently, went through its first reading and it is currently sitting in the rules committee. The Senate Bill, SB 2652, does the same thing, with a different name, "CRIM CD-CONVERTIBLE PISTOLS", it was filed by its senate sponsor, Celina Villanueva on April 25th, 2025. There, it went through one reading and has since been referred to assignments. The text of both these bills is the same, placing any semi-automatic firearm with a cruciform trigger into the UUW category. These would be classified as "machine guns", under the Illinois UUW statute. There is no clarity on people who currently possess these pistols, unlike PICA. The exemptions permit, in theory, any certified licensed dealer of firearms, to transfer these out to another dealer; service weapons from police departments or sell to police. But there is nothing further beyond that. It is confusing because if police may still purchase Glocks, does that mean FFL's must now obtain both a type 2 AND type 3 SOT, to deal and transfer these to police departments? There is no clear description of how that process would be handled. It would also create acute definitions, under the UUW statue, for the first time of what semi-automatic pistols are prohibited and which ones are not. Very similar to PICA and other assault weapon bans, where the government picks and chooses, what you may or may not defend yourself with. When PICA was pending, many people, including those from the Cook County Sheriff's Department, claimed they were not coming for your Glock, with PICA pending. They claimed PICA would not affect your ability to own popular handguns, like the Glock 26 or Glock 43. This ban would encompass all Glock handgun products. It could potentially extend to all striker-fired pistols and maybe even hammer-fired ones, depending on the prosecutor who looks closely at the Glock switch patent. For now, it is just a Glock ban. But like everything else, they take more when they can, wherever they can. Potentially, BATFE could interpret the state statute and conclude you have possession of an unregistered machine-gun, as they currently treat state-law as federal law. Whether or not they would go along with that for Title I firearms is yet to be seen. At the moment, possession of Glock switches IS banned state-wide. That passed recently. But this, the ban on Glock handguns, is a new push altogether. You can see the proposed text of both bills below: 25 possession or under the control of a person. Machine 26 gun also includes any convertible pistol equipped with SB2652 - 4 - LRB104 13048 RLC 25507 b 1 a switch, as defined in paragraph (17) of this 2 subsection (a); or ; (17) Manufactures, sells, or offers to sell, 24 purchases, receives, manufactures, imports, or transfers a 25 convertible pistol. In this paragraph (17): 26 "Convertible pistol" means any semiautomatic pistol HB4045 - 8 - LRB104 13377 RLC 25702 b 1 with a cruciform trigger bar that can be readily converted 2 by hand or with common household tools into a machine gun 3 by the installation or attachment of a switch as a 4 replacement for the slide's backplate without any 5 additional engineering, machining, or modification of the 6 pistol's trigger mechanism. "Machine gun-convertible 7 pistol" does not include a hammer-fired semiautomatic 8 pistol or a striker-fired semiautomatic pistol that lacks 9 a cruciform trigger bar, but instead has a trigger bar 10 that is shielded from interference by a pistol converter. 11 A polymer notch or other piece of polymer molded into the 12 rear of the pistol frame does not prevent ready conversion 13 into a machine gun and will not prevent a pistol from 14 qualifying as convertible under this definition. 15 "Switch" means any device or instrument that when 16 installed in or attached to the slide of a semi-automatic 17 pistol interferes with the trigger mechanism and thereby 18 enables the pistol to discharge a number of shots rapidly 19 or automatically with one continuous pull of the trigger. 20 "Common household tool" means a screwdriver (8 to 10 21 inches in length, flathead or phillips, flathead sizes up 22 to 5/8 inches), pipe wrenches (9 1/2 to 10 inches in 23 length), vice grip pliers (9 1/2 to 10 inches in length), 24 other pliers (9 1/2 to 10 inches arch joint, 6 to 6 25 1/2-inch slip joint, 6 to 6 1/2-inch long nose), hacksaws 26 (12-inch standard carbon steel blade), crowbars (16-inch), HB4045 - 9 - LRB104 13377 RLC 25702 b 1 electric/cordless drills (1/3 horsepower corded/9.6 volt 2 cordless), hammers (16-ounce), chisels (1/4-inch to 1-inch 3 blade width wood chisels), and crescent wrenches 4 (10-inch). Very similar to bills introduced in CA. https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/1k5pd07/ab1127_will_ban_glocks/ |
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Yet they will never make a law the will put harsher penalties on those with no foid cards, switches and the ones the shoot up the hood. Its Easier for these simple minded politicians to ban this and ban that. And then tax the fuck out of everything. Chicago and major cities need to be split off of the state they are leaching off of. |
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Originally Posted By murderface01: Yet they will never make a law the will put harsher penalties on those with no foid cards, switches and the ones the shoot up the hood. Its Easier for these simple minded politicians to ban this and ban that. And then tax the fuck out of everything. Chicago and major cities need to be split off of the state they are leaching off of. They know exactly what they are doing. The thugs are their pawns so they can pass all these laws. |
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Originally Posted By Dumak: Blatant violation of Heller and in common use. They banned virtually every semi-auto long gun, now they are going to ban 80% of the handguns. It will start with the Glock series of pistols but it won't end there. All semi auto pistols can be configured to fire in full auto. During the 1930's, bank robbers like John Dillinger and "Baby Face" Nelson had gunsmiths of the era convert standard Colt 1911's to fire full auto. You used to be able to adjust the trigger pull on a Colt 1911 Gold Cup light enough that it would go full auto without any gunsmithing at all. Gary |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: They know exactly what they are doing. The thugs are FIFY |
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Originally Posted By stenmk1: Same plan as PICA, pass some BS and wait to see what the courts allow. Until it is overturned they can claim absolute victory and when the courts roll it back they will use that as a campaign talking point. The ultimate political win-win from their prospective. Given the spineless SCOTUS, IGA can do anything they want now. There is literally nothing to stop them. GSL just lost the FOID card case and will not appeal because SCOTUS will not enforce their own gun rulings. |