Posted: 1/17/2026 12:40:44 AM EDT
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Had this posted in NFA, but figured it makes more sense to post here Up until now, have only purchased factory SBR's, which also have to be registered as a pistol in Michigan since it's a rifle under 26" in overall length via the RI-060 pistol sales record. When converting a rifle to an SBR via form 1, how does one go about the pistol registration, since there is technically no sale? Best info I could find states that the SBR must be registered as a pistol via the RI-060, including form 1 SBR's, but I haven't been able to find any information on the exact process: MSP SBR update AFAIK the major benefit is technically being able to conceal carry my SBR, not that it’s practical, but just want to make sure I’m following the process correctly |
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Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: Had this posted in NFA, but figured it makes more sense to post here Up until now, have only purchased factory SBR's, which also have to be registered as a pistol in Michigan since it's a rifle under 26" in overall length via the RI-060 pistol sales record. When converting a rifle to an SBR via form 1, how does one go about the pistol registration, since there is technically no sale? You don’t. The cops will tell you to list yourself as both the seller and the buyer. They just want as many guns registered as possible. Also if it’s an AR and the barrel is longer than 10.5”, it is probably going to be over 26” anyway. My 10.3” is 25.3” OAL with the stock and the muzzle device removed. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: So he should commit written perjury while misusing a pistol sales record as a voluntary registration? Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By STJ: Fill out the RI-60 with you as the seller and buyer and drop it off. So he should commit written perjury while misusing a pistol sales record as a voluntary registration?  That's what they tell you to do at the police station. What is your suggestion? |
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Originally Posted By STJ: That's what they tell you to do at the police station. What is your suggestion? Originally Posted By STJ: Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By STJ: Fill out the RI-60 with you as the seller and buyer and drop it off. So he should commit written perjury while misusing a pistol sales record as a voluntary registration? That's what they tell you to do at the police station. What is your suggestion? The cops are giving bad advise. Theirs is no way to register something you already own or build. We have a sales / transfer record, not registration. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: The cops are giving bad advise. Theirs is no way to register something you already own or build. We have a sales / transfer record, not registration. https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=mcl-750-224b#:~:text= THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT) Act 328 of 1931 750.224b Short-barreled shotgun or rifle; making, manufacturing, transferring, or possessing as felony; penalty; exceptions; short-barreled shotgun or rifle 26 inches or less; short-barreled shotgun or rifle greater than 26 inches; violation of subsection (5) as civil infraction; seizure and forfeiture; applicability of MCL 776.20 to subsection (3). Sec. 224b. (1) A person shall not make, manufacture, transfer, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle. (2) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both. (3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle that is lawfully made, manufactured, transferred, or possessed under federal law. (4) A person, excluding a manufacturer, lawfully making, transferring, or possessing a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle that is 26 inches or less in length under this section shall comply with section 2 or 2a of 1927 PA 372, MCL 28.422 and 28.422a. (5) A person who possesses a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle that is greater than 26 inches in length under this section shall possess a copy of the federal registration of that short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle while transporting or using that short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle and shall present that federal registration to a peace officer upon request by that peace officer. (6) A person who violates subsection (5) is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $100.00. A short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle carried in violation of subsection (5) is subject to immediate seizure by a peace officer. If a peace officer seizes a short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle under this subsection, the person has 45 days in which to display the federal registration to an authorized employee of the law enforcement entity that employs the peace officer. If the person displays the federal registration to an authorized employee of the law enforcement entity that employs the peace officer within the 45-day period, the authorized employee of that law enforcement entity shall return the short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle to the person unless the person is prohibited by law from possessing a firearm. If the person does not display the federal registration within the 45-day period, the short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle is subject to seizure and forfeiture in the same manner that property is subject to seizure and forfeiture under sections 4701 to 4709 of the revised judicature act of 1961, 1961 PA 236, MCL 600.4701 to 600.4709. (7) Section 20 of chapter XVI of the code of criminal procedure, 1927 PA 175, MCL 776.20, applies to subsection (3). https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=mcl-28-422a (2) If an individual described in subsection (1) purchases or otherwise acquires a firearm, the seller shall complete a record in triplicate on a form provided by the department of state police that includes the purchaser's concealed weapon license number, the number of the purchaser's license or certificate issued under the Michigan commission on law enforcement standards act, 1965 PA 203, MCL 28.601 to 28.615 |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: So he should commit written perjury while misusing a pistol sales record as a voluntary registration? I've used this same process more than a dozen times over the last 30 years, and I'm about to do it a few more times......all under the instruction of the police department. This was also the same as I was inxtructed to do when I transferred my dead fathers pistols over to me. "perjury" isn't defined as doing the best you can with the tools you're given. The guns end up registered just the way they wanted. |