FRTs in Florida? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/30/2025 7:10:30 PM EDT
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I know Rick Scott gave us such a gracious parting gift of Statute 790.222 that makes "bump stocks" or other devices or accessories that "alter the rate of fire or mimic automatic fire" before pissing off to Senate. I also know that Supreme Court ruled that bump stocks/FRTs/etc are legal and DeSantis has called for repealing the "bump stock ban" in Florida, but has anything been done since? Is this on anyone's radar where it should be? I see that H6013 is in committee as of 2/12/25, but does anyone in-the-know have any insight as to the chances? |
| Given how much I've heard lately about our wonderful republican't legislature wanting to defy the governor on things and the great work they've done trying to oppose his immigration reform, I'm maybe less than hopeful that they'll recognize and fix their past mistake. I'm more hopeful that we'll eventually have a case go to the FL supreme court to get it struck down, because the only other way I see involves a significant overhaul of the FL GOP and the people they put up for office. |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: I know Rick Scott gave us such a gracious parting gift of Statute 790.222 that makes "bump stocks" or other devices or accessories that "alter the rate of fire or mimic automatic fire" before pissing off to Senate. I also know that Supreme Court ruled that bump stocks/FRTs/etc are legal and DeSantis has called for repealing the "bump stock ban" in Florida, but has anything been done since? Is this on anyone's radar where it should be? I see that H6013 is in committee as of 2/12/25, but does anyone in-the-know have any insight as to the chances? |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Given how much I've heard lately about our wonderful republican't legislature wanting to defy the governor on things and the great work they've done trying to oppose his immigration reform, I'm maybe less than hopeful that they'll recognize and fix their past mistake. I'm more hopeful that we'll eventually have a case go to the FL supreme court to get it struck down, because the only other way I see involves a significant overhaul of the FL GOP and the people they put up for office. Want to take the risk? |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: My gosh. Absolutely worthless, every one of them. Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: My gosh. Absolutely worthless, every one of them. If you're waiting on the GOP to save you here in this state, you're screwed. |
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Originally Posted By BMad316: https://rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15l3/ Looks like Rarebreed is shipping to Florida. Has something changed regarding FRTs in Florida? |
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And more than a few of these manufactures won't reveal who might stock them in legal states. No PO boxes or in person pickups. I can kinda understand their point but I damn sure don't consider them as underground freedom fighters when they won't do something legal for fear of being drawn into some legal drama. |
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Originally Posted By 14Karat: The Arizona Regulator FRT won't ship to Florida. Rarebreed looks ready and willing to ship to Florida, they also got their start in Florida which is why I posted a couple of days ago. The bumptstock law is absurd the way it is written, couldn’t the Florida AG provide some sort of guidance on this issue to clear the matter up? |
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Originally Posted By BMad316: Rarebreed looks ready and willing to ship to Florida, they also got their start in Florida which is why I posted a couple of days ago. The bumptstock law is absurd the way it is written, couldn't the Florida AG provide some sort of guidance on this issue to clear the matter up? |
It'd be nice if the AG could come out with guidance to the effect of "the assumed rate of fire of any semi-automatic firearm is its cyclic fire rate" coupled with "integral components essential to the function of a firearm such as bolt carrier groups, buffers, and action springs shall not be considered bump stocks" so we could basically render the whole stupid statute moot. Maybe give some guidance that "automatic weapon fire shall be construed as the maximum achieved rate of fire of a machine gun" so anything that doesn't out-run a minigun is good to go  Failing that - the law specifically refers to "a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm" so maybe guidance to clarify that a firearm originally equipped with a "bump stock" doesn't violate the statute? It's a shitty and limited avenue to claw back some of the freedom our legislature and Rick Scott gave up, but it's better than nothing. Plus at that point who's to say you didn't take a vacation to Georgia, buy an FRT in a private sale, and build out a stripped lower on it before you came back? Didn't alter the rate of the firearm unless they want to claim you altered it from 0 to "not 0" and kick the hornet's nest of unintentionally banning everyone from assembling their own lowers. Also, the statute says it's a violation of FL law to keep or offer them for sale. If RBT doesn't prohibit that, they're technically in violation of FL law. I imagine they aren't in a mood or position to pick yet another legal fight, but they'd probably be a great plaintiff to get the statute tossed if it went to court and the AG took the opportunity to not defend it from getting struck down... |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: It'd be nice if the AG could come out with guidance to the effect of "the assumed rate of fire of any semi-automatic firearm is its cyclic fire rate" coupled with "integral components essential to the function of a firearm such as bolt carrier groups, buffers, and action springs shall not be considered bump stocks" so we could basically render the whole stupid statute moot. Maybe give some guidance that "automatic weapon fire shall be construed as the maximum achieved rate of fire of a machine gun" so anything that doesn't out-run a minigun is good to go Failing that - the law specifically refers to "a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm" so maybe guidance to clarify that a firearm originally equipped with a "bump stock" doesn't violate the statute? It's a shitty and limited avenue to claw back some of the freedom our legislature and Rick Scott gave up, but it's better than nothing. Plus at that point who's to say you didn't take a vacation to Georgia, buy an FRT in a private sale, and build out a stripped lower on it before you came back? Didn't alter the rate of the firearm unless they want to claim you altered it from 0 to "not 0" and kick the hornet's nest of unintentionally banning everyone from assembling their own lowers. Also, the statute says it's a violation of FL law to keep or offer them for sale. If RBT doesn't prohibit that, they're technically in violation of FL law. I imagine they aren't in a mood or position to pick yet another legal fight, but they'd probably be a great plaintiff to get the statute tossed if it went to court and the AG took the opportunity to not defend it from getting struck down... |
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Originally Posted By BMad316: https://rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15l3/ Looks like Rarebreed is shipping to Florida. Has something changed regarding FRTs in Florida? I’m pretty sure that’s a scam website. |
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Originally Posted By BMad316: What would make you think that? Originally Posted By BMad316: Originally Posted By Makarov: I’m pretty sure that’s a scam website. What would make you think that? IDK, most of them are. Maybe not. I didn’t see the expected hit up for payment via Zelle or Amazon gift cards on the website. Is the real RareBreed based in Texas, now? Still, tread carefully. The Florida “bumpstock ban” is such a poorly written law, it means ANYTHING an overzealous cop or prosecutor on a mission wants it to mean. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: IDK, most of them are. Maybe not. I didn’t see the expected hit up for payment via Zelle or Amazon gift cards on the website. Is the real RareBreed based in Texas, now? Still, tread carefully. The Florida “bumpstock ban” is such a poorly written law, it means ANYTHING an overzealous cop or prosecutor on a mission wants it to mean. It's not written poorly, it's written with the intention to enable exactly what you described. This is malice, not ignorance. |
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Originally Posted By Milspec99: My initial research tells me it does not increase the rate of fire. Originally Posted By Milspec99: Originally Posted By JThompson: Does it increase the normal rate of fire? If so, one can argue it is not allowed. My initial research tells me it does not increase the rate of fire. Again, this law is all about subjective feelings. 790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device. A trigger is not a stock but the law seems to imply otherwise. If I build a an AR from an 80% or even a virgin lower with an FRT from the start, then what is used as the basis to determine “increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.” If I were on trial for violation of this law, WHOSE ability to fire the gun faster would be used as the litmus test? Could I bring in Jerry Miculek as a subject matter expert on my behalf? Does adding a Geisslie SSA-E trigger or any other boutique target or competition trigger violate this law? Is the measure of “faster rate” split time between shots or averaged rounds per minute? Whatever YOUR answer is, it is subjective and may or may not make you a Felon. Remember, Pam Bondi WROTE this law and Florida Republicans shoved it down your throats, confident that you will still vote for them. Let’s scrap this bad law and replace it with something like; “if use a gun in the commission of a violent crime, you go to prison for the next 30 years in addition to a conviction for the violent crime”. Make Florida Republican politicians worry about their next election campaign. |
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 Florida and FRTS w/ The Gun Lawyer - Shark Coast Podcast Clips |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: Just absolutely insane and embarrassing that so much of the rest of the country is enjoying this section of gun freedom while the "gunshine state" can't. It makes me so furious. Screw you, Rick Scott! |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: They're still a felony to possess in Florida. Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By BMad316: https://rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15l3/ Looks like Rarebreed is shipping to Florida. Has something changed regarding FRTs in Florida? Then so is my thumb & my beltloop |
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 Florida May Let You Own Bump Stocks Again |
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Originally Posted By JThompson: Bump Fire Stocks were great when AK ammo was cheap. Not so sure now.  The “bumpstock ban” is what is keeping Floridians from enjoying the National sensation that is FRTs. We NEED that stupid law GONE! Here is a link to find the mailing address of your State Representative. https://www.flhouse.gov/FindYourRepresentative WRITE them and politely tell them why we need this BAD LAW to go away! Something along the lines of “laws that ONLY serve to create felons out of peaceful Floridians”. |
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Originally Posted By Milspec99: I don’t mean to be "that guy", but can someone explain how it’s legal for a company in Florida to manufacture and possess FRTs? I thought that no one was allowed to possess them in the state, even if they’re an FFL and only sell them out-of-state. I IRC, RareBreed is NOW operating out of Texas or Utah or someplace out west. |
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