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2/5/2025 10:30:23 AM EDT









Bergmann - Schoch v Platkin


2/5/2025 2:37:43 PM EDT
[#1]
The more lawsuits the better...
2/5/2025 10:54:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fly223:
The more lawsuits the better...
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I think so.

Some info on Heidi Bergmann-Schoch from the lawsuit.







https://www.facebook.com/cnjfo

Fwiw I took my HQC-2 modified re-qualification with Heidi.

2/5/2025 11:12:59 PM EDT
[#3]
2A Groups File to End NJ Ban on Hollowpoint Ammo for Concealed Carry

Ultimately, because the state does not allow carry of long guns, the restriction puts residents who are carrying a concealed firearm at a massive disadvantage by removing the use of the most effective ammunition engineered for self defense. Naturally, in the three-tiered class system at work in New Jersey, law enforcement is exempt from this prohibition.
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Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of GOA, issued the following statement in a press release:

The government does not get to decide for Americans what kind of books they may read, what brands of firearms they may own, or what kind of ammunition they can use. New Jersey's unconstitutional ban on hollow points for self-defense outside the home is yet another example of anti-gun politicians disarming law-abiding citizens while criminals ignore the law. Self-defense is an enumerated right, and GOA will fight to ensure that New Jerseyans are no longer left vulnerable due to senseless restrictions.
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News2A.com

2/6/2025 1:16:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fly223:
The more lawsuits the better...
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I used to think so too, but with the state, and now even the Supreme Court, basically thumbing their nose at us these lawsuits are going nowhere fast. Almost 3 years since Bruin and we have not had a single  significant victory with any of the lawsuits that have been filed.
2/6/2025 2:01:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigford632:


I used to think so too, but with the state, and now even the Supreme Court, basically thumbing their nose at us these lawsuits are going nowhere fast. Almost 3 years since Bruin and we have not had a single  significant victory with any of the lawsuits that have been filed.
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Originally Posted By bigford632:
Originally Posted By fly223:
The more lawsuits the better...


I used to think so too, but with the state, and now even the Supreme Court, basically thumbing their nose at us these lawsuits are going nowhere fast. Almost 3 years since Bruin and we have not had a single  significant victory with any of the lawsuits that have been filed.

What other option is there?
2/6/2025 5:17:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Demeroma:

What other option is there?
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Moving to a free state seems to be the only viable option unfortunately, constantly throwing money at organizations and accomplishing nothing except enriching lawyers isn't helping.
2/7/2025 2:48:48 PM EDT
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I truly believe we'll have a victory sooner then later.. Too many gun cases around the Country are piling up, and I'm sure one of the courts will eventually do something
2/12/2025 12:51:40 AM EDT
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3/7/2025 11:19:02 AM EDT
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New Jersey Banned Hollow Points. We're Suing!
3/8/2025 3:05:26 AM EDT
[#10]
the hallow point thing is just as stupid as so called full auto bolt carriers cant be in a gun fiasco.
so much stupid its boring. and most of us are going to die before NJ sees normal mags etc.
3/8/2025 9:53:13 PM EDT
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I agree ---- "most of us are going to die before NJ sees normal mags etc."
3/9/2025 1:28:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BSOG1:
the hallow point thing is just as stupid as so called full auto bolt carriers cant be in a gun fiasco.
so much stupid its boring. and most of us are going to die before NJ sees normal mags etc.
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Originally Posted By TheMatrix:
I agree ---- "most of us are going to die before NJ sees normal mags etc."
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You both may be right, in more ways than one.

The Second Amendment: America's Last Stand Against Tyranny

an uncomfortable reality emerges:

The system that is supposed to protect our rights is failing;
Legislators and judges are actively undermining our rights;
The very right designed to safeguard all others may be the last line of defense against encroaching tyranny.
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The uncomfortable conclusion is that if politically-motivated legislators and courts continue to erode our rights through the legal system, there remains only one safeguard. It is the nuclear option. This is not a call to arms. As with many defensive gun uses on the individual level, the true value of being armed lies in deterrence. However, sometimes the only deterrent to stopping crime is deadly force. Similarly, we are drawing ever nearer to a time when the only way to stop tyranny may be the very tool given to us by our Founding Fathers.
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news2a.com

3/9/2025 10:23:56 AM EDT
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free states is where its at. fuk the communist blue states. and the people that vote, support and fund them.
keep up the fight if one chooses, but good luck with that. to many people drank the kool aid in those places.
NJ pushing off . ignoring  the mag cases etc says all we need to know about how corrupt it is.
skip paying a property tax a few weeks, see how that works out.
3/9/2025 10:56:23 AM EDT
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Yes, it's discouraging to say the least. Whether we win or lose, at least I'll know I did my best to change the status quo in New Jersey.
5/12/2025 11:47:19 PM EDT
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reddit.com/r/NJGuns/

5/31/2025 11:09:37 AM EDT
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So I have been out of the state during the winter months. When I left last November HP bullets were allowed only to and from home/shooting range.

Has this "law" changed? Are HP bullets no longer allowed to and from?

Thanks.
5/31/2025 2:49:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By resteva:
So I have been out of the state during the winter months. When I left last November HP bullets were allowed only to and from home/shooting range.

Has this "law" changed? Are HP bullets no longer allowed to and from?

Thanks.
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Nothing has changed for us since you were last here. We're still allowed to transport hollow points from the the store to our homes, to and from the range but we can't have them in our carry guns. Also we can't just have the hollowpoint bullet in our pocket or on a keychain when we're out and about, not the complete round but the solitary bullet because it's so dangerous.

The only change I'm aware of is that NJ retired police officers (RPO's) can't carry hollowpoints even though LEOSA allows them to carry hollowpoints.




6/3/2025 11:22:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Demeroma:
Nothing has changed for us since you were last here. We're still allowed to transport hollow points from the the store to our homes, to and from the range but we can't have them in our carry guns. Also we can't just have the hollowpoint bullet in our pocket or on a keychain when we're out and about, not the complete round but the solitary bullet because it's so dangerous.

The only change I'm aware of is that NJ retired police officers (RPO's) can't carry hollowpoints even though LEOSA allows them to carry hollowpoints.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/93999/image__2_-3553127.png


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Thanks for the update, appreciate it.

9/8/2025 9:29:43 PM EDT
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fyi:



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