Posted: 9/11/2011 12:13:38 PM EDT
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Can we get a tacked list of which local CLEO's and sheriffs dept's were willing or not willing to signoff on Class 3 toys? Feel free to post your results here to start with. Hopefully your results will help someone else figure out who in there area is willing to signoff, and who to avoid.
Burton CLEO was a pleasure to deal. Just remember to take a third copy of your paperwork for him. He keeps a running record of all FFL / Class 3 / etc. paperwork he signs. Updated to add: Found this over on the MGO forum. Contact information for every City Police and County Sheriff Department in the state. Michigan Law Enforcement Agencies The good guys list 
Burton, Genesee County Clintron Twp. Grandville, Kent County Muskegon Twp. Midland Portage Chief White Richfield Twp., Chief Gritzinger Rochester West Bloomfield Sturgis, St. Joseph County Allegan County Berrien County, Sheriff Paul Bailey Cass County Calhoun County Cheboygan County Clinton County Dickinson County Genesee County, Sheriff Pickell Gratiot County Hillsdale County Jackson County Kent County Livingston County Marquette County, Sheriff Mike Lovelace Mecosta County Macomb County Monroe County, Bill Nichols (District Attorney) Muskegon County Oakland County, Sherriff Bouchard Ocean County Otsego county Ottawa County, Sheriff Rosema Shiawassee County Sterling Heights Washtenaw County Wexford County Wyandotte City The bad guys list 
Redford Township, Chief Pahl Monroe City Bay County, Sheriff John Miller Kalamazoo County |
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Originally Posted By harleyrkc:
Can we get a tacked list of which local CLEO's and sheriffs dept's were willing or not willing to signoff on Class 3 toys? Feel free to post your results here to start with. Hopefully your results will help someone else figure out who in there area is willing to signoff, and who to avoid. Burton CLEO was a pleasure to deal. Just remember to take a third copy of your paperwork for him. He keeps a running record of all FFL / Class 3 / etc. paperwork he signs. burton as in burton city in genesee county? |
| I updated my OP and will continue to do so if you guys keep posting your results. I'll go take a look over on the Michigan Gun Owners forum, I think a similar thread turned up there yesterday. |
Stupidity should hurt!
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You can polish a turd all day long, but at the end of the day you still have a piece of shit!
| Could I bypass the city and go straight to county? I live in warren if that matters. |
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Updated OP. And its your decision which signature you go for. I started with my local CLEO out of convenience and to push some buttons since I used to get attitude from them prior to this new guy. It looks like the attitude issues with there office have been dealt with. Remember guys these are our rights, don't take no for an answer. You can politely inform him that its a courtesy asking them to sign, there are other signatures and the trust route available.
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Either one can sign. I went to the Sheriff on my first one and he referred me to the city Chief. 8 weeks later that TWAT that was the City Chief at the time was still dicking me around so I called the Sheriff back and again asked him to sign, he agreed. After that, I just went to see the Sheriff when I needed a signature and he signed off for me after running a quick background check. |
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Any word on who to speak to at Macomb County Sheriff? I called the records division, and the lady was clueless...she gave me MI State Police contact number in Lansing.......
I want to get in on a GB for a supressor this week, but want to make sure i can get a sign-off. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By mmorohpmoly:
Who is the CLEO in Kalamazoo County... ? The Kalamazoo County sheriff is Richard C Fuller III. Has anyone contacted the Kalamazoo City Chief Jeffrey Hadley? Another option for Kalamazoo would be the prosecutor Jeff Fink. Has anyone contacted or thought about contacting the head of the State Police Col. Kriste Kibbey Etue? If she is willing to sign the forms, then everyone would be able to get a signature. |
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Originally Posted By snakeman48:
I've sent 2 email requests to the Berrien County Sheriff. So far he has not replied. I guess it's time to call.and ask. I live in Niles, so I am going to try Richard Huff. He signed my FFL's before. He seem to be a great guy to deal with. |
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Originally Posted By Deussne:
Originally Posted By snakeman48:
I've sent 2 email requests to the Berrien County Sheriff. So far he has not replied. I guess it's time to call.and ask. I live in Niles, so I am going to try Richard Huff. He signed my FFL's before. He seem to be a great guy to deal with. I'm in the township of Niles, so I'm forced to seek the Sheriff's signature. |
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| Though I have't tried...yet,sheriff of Isabella county said he would sign off. |
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Spoke on the phone with Sheriff Rosema of Ottawa County, and he wanted more information how the transfer process worked, and his part in it.
He apparently had gotten several calls inquiring about it, but no one knew how the process worked, so he contacted the prosecutor, who didn't know much about it either. So I spent a bit of time going over what "Joe Buyer" would have to do to acquire a suppressor or MG. (form 4, fingerprints, signature, ATF approval, background check, 3 month wait, etc....) All toll, at the end of the conversation, he said he wanted to relay this info to the prosecutor, but he didn't forsee it as being a problem. He will be getting back to me yet though. So does that make him a "probable maybe"? 
ETA: He is signing, he just never called me back directly. My customer had his signed off no problem. |
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Originally Posted By WTS-Mike: Heard anything yet? After 5 days. Would like to know if Rosema will sign off. Find it hard to believe no one has bought a MG before nowSpoke on the phone with Sheriff Rosema of Ottawa County, and he wanted more information how the transfer process worked, and his part in it. He apparently had gotten several calls inquiring about it, but no one knew how the process worked, so he contacted the prosecutor, who didn't know much about it either. So I spent a bit of time going over what "Joe Buyer" would have to do to acquire a suppressor or MG. (form 4, fingerprints, signature, ATF approval, background check, 3 month wait, etc....) All toll, at the end of the conversation, he said he wanted to relay this info to the prosecutor, but he didn't forsee it as being a problem. He will be getting back to me yet though. So does that make him a "probable maybe"? |
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| THOLL223 MG's are a lot more expensive. MY CLEO had never even seen a Form 4 prior to me getting one signed for an MG. Thankfully he just wanted to know what he was signing and then had no problem doing so. |
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I have contacted Cass County Sheriff and he has told me he needed to contact the ATF and the State for direction. I think he will sign when he gets himself educated in this area but that has been 2 weeks ago. I am sure this would not be high on his list of priority's. Does anyone know of a document that explains this so I could send it to him for a little nudge. Also looking at the trust route and looking for an attorney that is reasonable if anyone knows one. I will update this when he has made his decision. Cass County Sheriff signed! |
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Here is the response I received from the West Bloomfield Chief after I waited three weeks for a response, then re-sent my Email.
Good Morning Mr. XXXXXXXX, I do not know why, but your email just came through last night. Since this is something new, I ask that you please be patient while we give the matter a little thought and consider what our responsibilities are and what policies we should create. I will keep your email in my in box so that your request does not get overlooked. Thank you. Fingers crossed |
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Was at the Gunshow this weekend and heard from one of the Class III dealers in Ottawa County that Ottawa County Sheriff is signing now. Drop it off and pick it up a couple days later. This is not first hand knowledge from getting one signed but what I was told by the Dealer (Tac Weapon Supply out of Grand Haven) |
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Originally Posted By THOLL223:
Was at the Gunshow this weekend and heard from one of the Class III dealers in Ottawa County that Ottawa County Sheriff is signing now. Drop it off and pick it up a couple days later. This is not first hand knowledge from getting one signed but what I was told by the Dealer (Tac Weapon Supply out of Grand Haven) That's what he told me when I asked as well, but like you said, it's hearsay until someone in Ottawa county posts of their first-hand experience. |
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Ottawa County is signing (Sheriff Rosema)
Yes that was me at the show. One of my customers had his signed off last week. I am holding the form 4 in my hand with the Sheriff's signature. (first HAND enough?) 
So yes good guys list.
Eta: "firsthand" attempt at comedy... 
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"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
Yes, I have a murse, a bug out bag, and a 5.56 caliber sword... Because, Jesus said so.
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Originally Posted By kuenkers:
Bay County Sheriff John Miller will NOT sign off.... That's gay. Call him a fag for me, K? I still haven't heard from Sheriff Nielsen here in Midland. |
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Just got a call back from Sheriff Jerry Nielsen in Midland County...
HE WILL SIGN
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Originally Posted By Mudboy:
Midlands new Police chief signed. Excellent
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Kent County Sheriff said he will sign, but only where he patrols. So for the signature, he referred my customer over to the East Grand Rapids PD who signed readily and was reported... "No problem getting signature - very nice and done while I waited " Kent County Sherrif did his Fingerprint cards $15 Each and done while he waited (there are cheaper options though) |
Luke 22:36
"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
Yes, I have a murse, a bug out bag, and a 5.56 caliber sword... Because, Jesus said so.
"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"
Yes, I have a murse, a bug out bag, and a 5.56 caliber sword... Because, Jesus said so.
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Originally Posted By mmorohpmoly:
Who is the CLEO in Kalamazoo County and Monroe City that are being ignorant? They need to change the law on getting a CLEOs signature. Should be like a C&R license, just letting you know but don't need you to do anything else. Richard Fuller. He is an idiot... and not just because of his stance on NFA sign-offs. |