Arizona Hometown T-shirts (Page 5 of 6)
Makes sense. Since I been living in Phoenix, 6 years now, I have been buying my gear in OD.  
Damn, missed the quote button. 
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Originally Posted By rizzo1318: Originally Posted By WPNS462: What's the difference between Forest Green and Olive Green? Wearing Olive Green makes you 10% more of an Operator.  So olive green is tier 1 is it?  |
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Ok, got my shirt today... First impressions - the T-shirt quality is good at last  . I'm quite happy with the 6.1oz Gildan heavyweight shirt. It doesn't have the cheap paper feel to it that the lesser quality shirts have. Huge improvement over the previous t-shirts I had purchased. The quality of the logos appears to be much higher - just the look of it appears to be better color reproduction than the previous logos I have on the older shirts. While they do have a very minor plastic feel to them, I have a feeling that will go away once I wash it (which I'm in the process of right now). The printing is also not shiny and reflective like the old shirts were, which leads me to believe that the process has changed quite a bit as Goatboy stated. If the printed logos hold up well after repeat washings, I'll definitely be in for more of these. Sorry for the washed out photos, sunlight outside today is pretty bright and screwing with me. This is straight out of the package, so it's a bit wrinkled and has some fuzz on it. Here's the logo from the front:  Back logo appears much larger for the AZHTF than the previous runs that I've seen on people:  I'll update further once I'm finished washing it and see how the logos feel at that point but it would appear these new shirts are a vast improvement over the prior ones and I'm quite happy with it so far. ############# ETA: Uhhh bad news.... give me a minute to get new pics  After one washing in cold water using Tide, and a short trip in the dryer the logos have faded substantially, they've actually turned white in places:  At first I thought I was seeing things... here's a closeup:  Front logo has faded a lot as well, most noticeable in the red ring around the perimeter of the logo:  This is the same detergent I use with all my other T-shirts without issue...several other T-shirts were washed with this one and they all appear fine. On the plus side, it feels nice after washing it...although I'm not much into the weathered look this soon  ETA2: Only thing I can think of is the inks used don't like Tide with color safe bleach in it. Strange, considering all my other T-shirts get washed regularly in the same thing and don't do this. Here's two shirts from the same load. These have each been washed at least 20 times in the same detergent and reds and yellows and oranges look fine in these. Second shirt has some goo on it from the dog attacking me as I was taking these to photograph    |
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It very well could be a problem with the shirt, but make sure you're also washing them correctly. They need to be washed inside out (important), in warm water, with 100% chlorine free bleach. This is the first time we've heard about the new shirts washing out, so just contact [email protected] and we'll get them replaced for you. |
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Originally Posted By Spawn: It very well could be a problem with the shirt, but make sure you're also washing them correctly. They need to be washed inside out (important), in warm water, with 100% chlorine free bleach. This is the first time we've heard about the new shirts washing out, so just contact [email protected] and we'll get them replaced for you. I've always been told to wash darks in cold water I did indeed turn it inside out to wash it. But yes, it's chlorine free color safe bleach in the tide and seems to play nicely with my other shirts.
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Cold water should be ok, just not hot. It could be an issue on our end or with the shirt itself (loose fibers or poor cooking) which we haven't seen. We've tested a number of shirts with the wash and it definitely sounds like color issue because you are getting the white to show under the red. This means the bleach either reacted to the ink in a weird way or the shirt cooked poorly and thus "flaked" or basically lost ink in the wash. A properly cooked shirt should hold without issue and since we haven't washed with bleach in tests, it's hard to tell. We will of course replace it for you. I think first washing is key because it removes excess treatment and also helps during drying to ensure the colors took to the shirt well. I've seen a few shirts i own lose a few fibers, which is common in 100% cotton shirts, but this is different. |
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| I sent an e-mail to [email protected] as Spawn asked. Did you need me to send this shirt back? |
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Hey guys, I know you were all busy last week with Shot. It's been about a week and I haven't heard anything in response to the e-mail I sent to [email protected] per Spawn and haven't seen a response in here. Let me know how to proceed. |
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I got my shirt in the mail today and washed as prescribed. Here is the back logo after it came out of the wash:
And here is detail on the top area with the white showing through a bit: 
I shot these in indirect sunlight and the only things I adjusted were color temperature and black point to make it as close as I could to what the naked eye sees. Overall I am pretty satisfied with the shirt and I don't think the color issue is very major at all. I'm just curious if eliminating the white border would help with the color issue at all. Maybe I'm not as picky as some of you, but for 12 bucks I would say this is worth it. Hopefully this will get some of the fencepost sitters to get their own copy.
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Originally Posted By DualShooter: Maybe I'm not as picky as some of you, but for 12 bucks I would say this is worth it. Hopefully this will get some of the fencepost sitters to get their own copy. Where'd you get it for 12 bucks? Mine was $17 + $3 shipping. Maybe I am more picky, but that is more color fade than I would expect after a single washing, though not as pronounced as mine was. Also, I just received delivery of the replacement shirt today - will likely wash it tomorrow but I'm rather terrified to do so. Will be washing it with other t-shirts again in cold water and turned inside out using same detergent unless someone tells me differently Will take before and after shots again. |
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Originally Posted By GoatBoy: There's a $5 discount on shirts with the large AZ logo on the back. It wont show up until you add it to the cart. for how long? also if I bake them in our paint booth at work at 180 degrees for about an hour will it help prevent the white coming through? Or has this issue been fixed. I still havent had any problems with the first batch that i bought. |
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For a while for you guys. We're still considering a break in sales again to try to change the process a bit. The extreme cold up here has been causing problems with consistency. The ink should take and hold for months, but we're seeing fading in our early shirts which are about 2-3 months old. We'll update the main thread if we stop taking orders until this horrible cold front finally passes. The shirts are coming out great, but they need to stay like they look when they are printed. |
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Ok, here's a better shot of the first shirt on the left and the new shirt on the right. I think this shows much better just how faded the original shirt got after a single washing compared to fresh out of the box:  I have just put both of them in with some other t-shirts into the washing machine. I have used 1/3 the amount of detergent I used the first time with the first shirt, hoping that may have a positive effect on not fubar'ing the new shirt. Shirts are once again both turned inside out and being washed in cold water - which incidentally is VERY cold today Will post another comparison shot of the two after they are done. Not good - I babied the shirt this time - 1/3 the detergent, reduced washing time to half a normal cycle and still got color fade. Not as pronounced as the first shirt, but still white blotches in the reds and general fading of the blues:  Some closeups:    No offense guys - I know you've been working hard to get these shirts 100% and just the t-shirt quality by itself is very good now - but the printing is definitely not holding up to washing, even when babying it I'm happy to send these shirts back if you want them for analysis or something. |
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so should I wait for a bit to get any more shirts until this gets figured out? I want a couple more because I got blood on them but I want to make sure I don't get any with this fading problem. |
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Originally Posted By victorgonzales: so should I wait for a bit to get any more shirts until this gets figured out? I want a couple more because I got blood on them but I want to make sure I don't get any with this fading problem. Blood on them makes them tier 1 |
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Originally Posted By Uofaspyder: Sucks about the coloration, I want one, they are nice. Everything is OOS for the build your own shirts, so maybe they are working on the printing. They are - I got a msg from Goatboy over a week ago saying they are working on it. |
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| I have given them the information for a better shirt company which would produce high quality shirts at a great price, the first time and every time. After all of these problems (especially my EXTREMELY horrible first run shirt) I won't be buying anymore ARFCOM shirts, which is sad because I really enjoy the site and especially the AZ HTF. How many times can they get it wrong and still expect people to buy them at $15-$20? |
Can I hunt it? No? Not interested.
My shirt is going the distance so far, I've worn it about 10 times and I even took it out on my desert course that I run. |
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Originally Posted By victorgonzales: so are we in the clear to buy more shirts yet? I need three more to replace my ruined ones. I am hard on shirts. I haven't heard anything further yet - so I would imagine they're still working on it. |
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Sorry for the lack of updates, had some life things come up and take time away from this project and others. The shirt problem was due to bad ink. It was apparently left in a truck somewhere and froze in transit (up to cold NY) and damaged. We haven't opened up orders to ensure perfect results. The final tests are being done today with the AZ logo and everything else has turned out perfect so I expect the same. This logo has been the most impacted by the washing out issue along with the shield design we have. Regardless, they should be finalized today and we'll have them in the store tonight or tomorrow. Your replacement will be going out too Slanky! |
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Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Your replacement will be going out too Slanky! No worries Thanks for the update. Third time's the charm, as they say
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Don't know about that. We were cautious this time to test everything in multiple batches, detergents, etc. Anal, but worth it. So far everything has been perfect, so lets hope this design is the same. |
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Originally Posted By GoatBoy: Replacements going out today and shirts back up for ordering! Should not be any further issues! Did these go out? Haven't seen anything show up, so was just curious if there's a new glitch in the matrix
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Just received it - will have to wait until tomorrow or Sunday before I can give this one a shot in the washing machine. The transfer definitely feels different this time around and seems.... more vibrant? Glossier? Not sure how to describe it, but it's definitely got a different feel to it this time, which is probably a good thing
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Good, should be 100% go. Nice to know we had a batch of bad inks, which was easily fixed. Anyhow, it's all ink now, no transfers, the problem was the bad ink wasn't curing properly.  |
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Pics of the newest one:  Those do a decent job of showing the shiny appearance of the ink now - I'm going to wear it today before I wash it. I want at least one good day of wearing an HTF shirt Will wash it tonight or tomorrow and update this with comparison photos. ETA: It's in the wash now... will know results in next hour or so. |
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Well guys, I think you have a winner now... Post-wash:  The weird highlights that look white are just sun reflecting off the shinier surface of the shirt, in person it looks almost the same as when I pulled it out of the box. One weird thing I noticed, which was actually on the shirt in the "before" shots prior to washing that I just noticed while taking these photos...is some sort of...mmmm kind of white shadow? Maybe some kind of printing 'overspray' or something? It's hard to describe. You can see it in the black area in the upper lefthand portion of the BFL itself. Not a huge deal by any means, it's just something I noticed that seems to be something left over from the printing process as it doesn't wash out. You can see it more clearly here in the closeup:  Another shot with some arrows to point it out:  Again the little white speckles you see in the reds and blues are just glints of sunlight - not actual white blotches like before. And the front logo held up as well:  Ok, I think this means I'm done being a guinea pig for t-shirt testing *whew* |
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