Posted: 4/25/2026 1:57:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Amped: Good. When would that take effect? Gotta get it past the 'governor's desk' stage of the process, and then fuzzy memory says bills usually take effect in the summer (July 1st?), unless they have some specific wording specifying a different time that they will take effect. From the link posted earlier, Senate: Ayes...............................................21 Noes................................................5 Present and not voting...................1 House (which voted to adopt the Senate version of the bill): Ayes...............................................62 Noes...............................................24 Present and not voting...................3 I haven't read the final text of the bill, but if I've kept up with the changes (and I've probably missed some of them or didn't understand some of them), they removed a clause that indicated that trespassing could be justification (I can't remember if that was in the Senate or House version) removed a clause that specifically stated that you were in serious trouble if you shot someone in the back reworded a section to require that you not be engaged in committing a felony and be at a location that is part of your home (not limited to your house, unless I completely missed something) kept arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or aggravated cruelty to animals as actions that justify use of deadly force to stop those actions on your property (you can shoot someone who came into your yard to kill your dog) added some wording about "danger of grave sexual abuse" as being a justification (ETA: I had to look that one up, and it's what you might expect - rape of a child with additional actions involved, such as abduction for the purpose of raping the child). ETA: One of the changes apparently amended the bill from 'takes effect immediately upon being signed into law' to 'takes effect on July 1st'. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: I thought we already had the castle doctrine. If so, what is the difference? I'm not a lawyer or even qualified to play one on TV but in our state, you can't kill someone breaking into your car. You see someone going into your car and then you could go out and say hey stop that and if they try to harm you then you could shoot them in self defense. Even that would be questionable I bet as you were safe in your house. Once this law goes into effect, I believe if you look out and see a guy breaking into your truck you could shoot and kill him. I believe TX law works this way. Heck in TX any crime taking place at night allows you to kill someone. |
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Originally Posted By JPN: Gotta get it past the 'governor's desk' stage of the process, and then fuzzy memory says bills usually take effect in the summer (July 1st?), unless they have some specific wording specifying a different time that they will take effect. From the link posted earlier, Senate: Ayes...............................................21 Noes................................................5 Present and not voting...................1 House (which voted to adopt the Senate version of the bill): Ayes...............................................62 Noes...............................................24 Present and not voting...................3 I haven't read the final text of the bill, but if I've kept up with the changes (and I've probably missed some of them or didn't understand some of them), they removed a clause that indicated that trespassing could be justification (I can't remember if that was in the Senate or House version) removed a clause that specifically stated that you were in serious trouble if you shot someone in the back reworded a section to require that you not be engaged in committing a felony and be at a location that is part of your home (not limited to your house, unless I completely missed something) kept arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or aggravated cruelty to animals as actions that justify use of deadly force to stop those actions on your property (you can shoot someone who came into your yard to kill your dog) added some wording about "danger of grave sexual abuse" as being a justification (ETA: I had to look that one up, and it's what you might expect - rape of a child with additional actions involved, such as abduction for the purpose of raping the child). ETA: One of the changes apparently amended the bill from 'takes effect immediately upon being signed into law' to 'takes effect on July 1st'. Thank you. Lets see when Lee signs this |
Yeah this moves us WAY ahead of what Castle Doctrine gives us. I never watch the news anymore including local so I hadn't heard a word about this until this news article popped up in Liberty Daily yesterday and my damn mind was blown that this had passed and was just waiting on the governors signature. Hoping and thinking that he will most likely sign this into law! It should be the law of the land everywhere just like it has been in Texas for a long time. I don't know how far the law in Texas goes and I do agree that simple trespassing shouldn't justify shooting so I'm good with that part being removed. But when some asshole is trying to steal my fucking car, truck, boat, utility trailer, or anything else like that I want to be able to shoot that motherfucker! Good on our legislature for getting this done!
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Originally Posted By gotigers: I thought we already had the castle doctrine. If so, what is the difference? I'm not a lawyer, haven't yet seen the text of the final version of the bill that was passed, but I did read the original versions that the House and Senate had, some weeks ago, and I've tried to keep up with the summaries of the changes. Without this bill being passed, we already effectively have castle doctrine and stand your ground. While at home, we can assume that anyone breaking into our house/condo/apartment intends to do great bodily harm to us or a (human) member of our family and use deadly to stop them. Outside of our home, we can't automatically make that assumption, but can use deadly force when it is reasonable for us to fear that we are in immediate danger of great bodily harm. If I'm following correctly (again, I am not a lawyer and haven't seen the full text of the final version of the bill), the changes that this bill makes are: - The land that you live on (the yard around your house or the farm that you live on) is nudged a little closer to being treated the same as the interior of your house, but since the wording that would have allowed trespassing to be used as justification for deadly force was removed from the bill, it is still some legal distance away from being treated the same as the interior of your house (where you can legally assume that an intruder in your house intends to do great bodily harm). - Your livestock and pets move up to the same level as human members of your family, allowing you to use deadly force to protect them from great bodily harm while they are on the land that you live on. Previously, your legal option was to call the police and have the offender charged with felony animal cruelty, after the harm was done. - Instead of just the 'reasonable fear of immediate danger of great bodily harm' justification that previously existed for using deadly force while in public or on your land (outside of your house), this bill adds arson, burglary, robbery, and aggravated robbery to the list of stated justifications for use of deadly force while on the land that you live on (but does NOT add those to when you are out in public), along with "danger of grave sexual abuse". "Grave sexual abuse" is defined as rape of a child, with a list of additional conditions beyond just rape - if any one condition from the list is part of the incident, it shifts the crime to "grave sexual abuse", with the first on the list being abduction of the child for the purpose of committing rape, and the other conditions on the list being things that would identify the offender as an extreme sadist wanting the child to have visible scars to constantly remind them of the incident. Since the legislature added "danger of" to the "grave sexual abuse" it appears (again, I am not a lawyer) that on this one offense that was added to the list of justifications for use of deadly force, instead of being required to see some evidence of the offense taking place, we are allowed to use the "reasonable fear of" distinction - if someone is coaxing or forcibly removing a child from your land, in a manner that would fit with trying to abduct the child, it appears that this bill will legally clear you to put as large a hole through the offender's head as you can manage. And since the clause that stated you couldn't shoot them in the back was removed from the bill before it was passed, it's fine if that hole is added to the back of their head. While the child rape section would seem to be something that would have likely been considered justified previously, including that wording in the bill should provide protection against malicious prosecution for shooting a stranger who appears to be abducting a child from your land. Listing arson and burglary in the bill allows you to use deadly force to protect physical property on your land, which seems to be the main thing the democrats have been so worked up over. Again, I am not a lawyer. |
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Originally Posted By Amped: I'm not a lawyer or even qualified to play one on TV but in our state, you can't kill someone breaking into your car. You see someone going into your car and then you could go out and say hey stop that and if they try to harm you then you could shoot them in self defense. Even that would be questionable I bet as you were safe in your house. Once this law goes into effect, I believe if you look out and see a guy breaking into your truck you could shoot and kill him. I believe TX law works this way. Heck in TX any crime taking place at night allows you to kill someone. Not so fast. Read the Tenn Firearms Assn assessment of the new legislation, “smoke and mirrors.” https://tennesseefirearms.com/2026/04/tennessees-2026-defense-of-property-act-mere-smoke-mirrors-and-no-new-rights/ IMHO, the new legislation is a trap for those who think they can shoot car thieves, etc. |
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Originally Posted By JWagnr: Not so fast. Read the Tenn Firearms Assn assessment of the new legislation, “smoke and mirrors.” https://tennesseefirearms.com/2026/04/tennessees-2026-defense-of-property-act-mere-smoke-mirrors-and-no-new-rights/ IMHO, the new legislation is a trap for those who think they can shoot car thieves, etc. Uggggg, we always get fucked |
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Originally Posted By bodybagger: https://tennesseefirearms.com/2026/04/tennessees-2026-defense-of-property-act-mere-smoke-mirrors-and-no-new-rights/ Made the link hot Damnit all!!! What the fuck is the point in even passing this law now? Republicans are the weakest motherfuckers ever to rule this earth! |
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Originally Posted By Amped: I'm not a lawyer or even qualified to play one on TV but in our state, you can't kill someone breaking into your car. You see someone going into your car and then you could go out and say hey stop that and if they try to harm you then you could shoot them in self defense. Even that would be questionable I bet as you were safe in your house. Once this law goes into effect, I believe if you look out and see a guy breaking into your truck you could shoot and kill him. I believe TX law works this way. Heck in TX any crime taking place at night allows you to kill someone. I can walk out into my yard whever i Effing want to. If someone outside on my property threatens me, i am dropping that MFer no matter what. I dont see a jury of my peers in this county would convict. I doubt the local prosecutors would even blink. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Damnit all!!! What the fuck is the point in even passing this law now? Republicans are the weakest motherfuckers ever to rule this earth! Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By bodybagger: https://tennesseefirearms.com/2026/04/tennessees-2026-defense-of-property-act-mere-smoke-mirrors-and-no-new-rights/ Made the link hot Damnit all!!! What the fuck is the point in even passing this law now? Republicans are the weakest motherfuckers ever to rule this earth! It allows legislators to go back to their home districts and proclaim "we did something". Never mind they really did nothing or even made things worse. |