Posted: 3/12/2025 1:49:03 PM EDT
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https://www.doj.state.or.us/media-home/news-media-releases/appeals-court-lifts-hold-on-measure-114-ruling-that-oregon-gun-law-is-constitutional/ Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield issued a statement today, after an appeals court lifted the hold on Measure 114, a step forward in allowing the state to put critical gun safety protections into action. “Oregonians voted for this, and it’s time we move ahead with common-sense safety measures,” Rayfield said. “Today’s decision is a big step forward for gun safety in Oregon. This measure gives us the tools to make sure gun buyers go through background checks and get proper permits, helping to keep firearms out of the wrong hands and making our communities safer.” Measure 114 was passed by Oregon voters in November of 2022, but was put on hold after a Harney County Circuit Court Judge ruled that the voter-backed gun law violated the state constitution. Today, a three-judge panel with the Oregon Court of Appeals reversed that decision, reinstating Measure 114. “We know there will be a lot of conversation around this, but the bottom line is that we’re committed to protecting the rights of responsible gun owners while doing what we can to reduce gun violence,” said Attorney General Rayfield. “Our job is to make sure the law works for everyone, and today’s decision brings us closer to that goal.” Measure 114 includes three common sense gun safety laws: First, it requires a permit to acquire guns. Permits are available to those who pass a criminal background check, complete a gun safety course, and who are not a danger to themselves or others. Second, it closes the “Charleston Loophole” that currently allows firearm transfers to proceed if a background check takes more than three days. Finally, it restricts magazines that can carry more than ten rounds of ammunition. Even with today’s decision, the law will not go into effect immediately. Procedural rules give the challengers 35 days to seek further appellate review of the decision. |
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We know. https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/measure-114-litigation.431016/page-266 I saw it on our attorneys facebook feed as he was headed to the office this morning. The thread on NWFirearms forum has the details. For those new to the decision and additional information, they will allow a 35 day delay for appeal. They also need to pass HB3075 to implement M114. We knew this all along so it's no surprise. Since the dems have a supermajority, there really isn't anything we can do about them passing it. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: The only way we can save our selves now is through a federal law suit. Damn this state is crazy. Isn't there still a federal suit going against this? The first lower circuit court judge said it was constitutional, I'm not sure where it's at in the process. How many years does it take to get to the supreme court? Who are the gun rights groups involved? I'm feeling generous. |
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“Oregonians voted for this, and it’s time we move ahead with common-sense safety measures,” Rayfield said. Fucking gross. It passed by less than 1% and a lot of those voters didn't understand the the measure.  But we all know this. And it doesn't matter when the Oregon government does whatever it wants. I've been kicking $100 to OFEF every month since this 114 BS first came up (and getting my employer to match it - they are a qualified charity!). Any other good Oregon 2A groups working on this that you guys can recommend? |
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Originally Posted By AASG: Isn't there still a federal suit going against this? The first lower circuit court judge said it was constitutional, I'm not sure where it's at in the process. How many years does it take to get to the supreme court? Who are the gun rights groups involved? I'm feeling generous. OFF |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: ...... Damn this state is crazy. Yeah. There's a bunch of gun bills this session. I was just talking to someone and telling them this is the way it's going to be every session from here on out. I give it three years tops before Oregon enacts something like an assault weapons ban and mag ban with no grandfather clause. I think we've already surpassed California at this point. I remember when I moved here and people bragged that Oregon is a blue state, but it's a pro gun blue state. Now Oregon proves that you can't allow ANY Democrat bullshit or you'll end up with what we have here. It's funny because I'm hearing stuff about the DNC saying they need to tone down some of their far left ideas in order to win back the house, Senate and white house. That's a hard pill to swallow when all people need to do is look at Oregon. Oregon is an example of a social experiment gone wrong. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: Isn't there still a federal suit going against this? The first lower circuit court judge said it was constitutional, I'm not sure where it's at in the process. How many years does it take to get to the supreme court? Who are the gun rights groups involved? I'm feeling generous. Iirc it was ruled constitutional. But the fact is the federal courts in OR and 9th district are populated with liberal activist judges. The cost to get a suit through this liberal cesspool is almost impossible to overcome and 100% destin to fail. That’s why someone had the brilliant idea of using state courts to file a state constitution challenge. As is now obvious the state judges are going to play the same damn games. There needs to be a combined effort to get the Supreme Court to make a final rule on permits to purchase, magazines and “assault rifle” bans. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: Iirc it was ruled constitutional. But the fact is the federal courts in OR and 9th district are populated with liberal activist judges. The cost to get a suit through this liberal cesspool is almost impossible to overcome and 100% destin to fail. That’s why someone had the brilliant idea of using state courts to file a state constitution challenge. As is now obvious the state judges are going to play the same damn games. There needs to be a combined effort to get the Supreme Court to make a final rule on permits to purchase, magazines and “assault rifle” bans. To the first paragraph, I think it's still active and trying to go to the next highest court (supreme court?). To the second paragraph, I think the supreme court has already said all of these are unconstitutional, but states keep doing it. The supreme court spelled out how all lower courts are supposed to look at cases, but obviously lower courts don't care. I get constant YouTube videos about all these decisions. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: To the first paragraph, I think it's still active and trying to go to the next highest court (supreme court?). To the second paragraph, I think the supreme court has already said all of these are unconstitutional, but states keep doing it. The supreme court spelled out how all lower courts are supposed to look at cases, but obviously lower courts don't care. I get constant YouTube videos about all these decisions. That's the thing, even if the supreme court says it is unconstitutional they have no teeth. There is no enforcement. Period. It's like the traffic laws in OR. If states and "representatives" were held accountable for their actions shit like that would not be happening. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: That's the thing, even if the supreme court says it is unconstitutional they have no teeth. There is no enforcement. Period. It's like the traffic laws in OR. If states and "representatives" were held accountable for their actions shit like that would not be happening. How do we get a bill to automatically impeach any politician that puts their name on a bill ruled unconstitutional by the ussc? |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: How do we get a bill to automatically impeach any politician that puts their name on a bill ruled unconstitutional by the ussc? Dunno. It'll be difficult to have politicians who are bought and paid for put a bill out that doesn't in some way directly benefit themselves. |
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Originally Posted By sparky923: Hearsay is around 4-16. That's supposedly when the appeals limit is 35? days from the announcement. Originally Posted By sparky923: Originally Posted By AASG: Do we know when the last day to buy a gun without a permit will be? Is it still legal to make a purchase now? Hearsay is around 4-16. That's supposedly when the appeals limit is 35? days from the announcement. NO - the last day for buying standard capacity mags works out to April 16th. The permit to purchase requirement won't go into effect until July 2026 if HB3075 passes in it's current form. However, for firearms purchases after April 16th this year, the dealer will not be able to include magazines with greater than 10 round capacity. |
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Originally Posted By xXNuggettXx: As someone traveling to OR from out of state, can you help me understand the implications of the law? Is possession of “high capacity” (standard capacity) mags banned or just purchase? Seems there’s no “assault weapons” ban tied to this? Thanks. Yes but no but also maybe. This whole mess has fallen from thoughts once it got ruled unconstitutional in harney county. As far as I remember we will no longer be able to purchase standard cap magazines but we can possess mags obtained before the cutoff (whenever that actually is since FFLs I've talked to don't even have any idea). Last I remember we can use standard cap mags at home or the range but there is something stupid like we cannot transport them from home to the range. Most counties in the state will likely just ignore it all. Sheriffs put out public memos when 114 "passed" that they would not enforce or generally bother with the 114 restrictions. I think it more depends on where you will be going in the state. Southern, eastern or central OR, likely nobody will care. |
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Originally Posted By xXNuggettXx: As someone traveling to OR from out of state, can you help me understand the implications of the law? Is possession of “high capacity” (standard capacity) mags banned or just purchase? Seems there’s no “assault weapons” ban tied to this? Thanks. IIRC, it has verbage "imports or causes to be imported". I can't remember if it's a felony or misdemeanor. So if you drove into Oregon with a 11 round mag in your gun you'd be importing and possessing an illegal mag. I'm planning on moving to Idaho and the funny thing is the place I found is literally across the snake river and I'd have to shop in Oregon, so this crap would still effect me. And I guess I have to open carry or just not carry. |
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It'll be interesting to see if this ever goes into effect. If sheriff's say they aren't prepared to do the permitting will they still put it in force and people in those counties simply can't buy a gun? Highly unconstitutional. I keep an eye on what's going on around me. Gun stores, like coastal and bimart, are still selling guns, gun with 10+ mags and 10+ mags. I'm guessing they are betting it won't go into effect. I think the way it's worded everybody who bought, sold, or possesses a mag from the date in 2022 when the bill passed (the date in the bill) could be retroactively charged. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: It'll be interesting to see if this ever goes into effect. If sheriff's say they aren't prepared to do the permitting will they still put it in force and people in those counties simply can't buy a gun? Highly unconstitutional. I keep an eye on what's going on around me. Gun stores, like coastal and bimart, are still selling guns, gun with 10+ mags and 10+ mags. I'm guessing they are betting it won't go into effect. I think the way it's worded everybody who bought, sold, or possesses a mag from the date in 2022 when the bill passed (the date in the bill) could be retroactively charged. My father in law is a FFL. He has absolutely zero idea what is going on with all of this junk. The state is not volunteering information to those who would be directly affected. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: My father in law is a FFL. He has absolutely zero idea what is going on with all of this junk. The state is not volunteering information to those who would be directly affected. I'd say that the state is providing plenty of information but people aren't watching. The hearing for SB243 was yesterday afternoon and was streamed live. At the very least, he can check the Oregon Firearms Federation web site and alerts to get an idea of how things are progressing. OFF is just one of the sources for up to date information. |
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: I'd say that the state is providing plenty of information but people aren't watching. The hearing for SB243 was yesterday afternoon and was streamed live. At the very least, he can check the Oregon Firearms Federation web site and alerts to get an idea of how things are progressing. OFF is just one of the sources for up to date information. They expect every FFL in the state to get their official information on how to run their business from a live stream? That's pretty retarded to expect that. A FFL should not have to be notified by a third party such as OFF on how to follow the law the state put into effect. Even the AFT is not that stupid and will issue information to FFLs directly when things change. That's a pretty low bar when the AFT does something better. |
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You're missing the point completely. I'm saying that the information is readily available to anyone. OLIS is free and has the status of every single proposed bill for this session. There are groups all over the state that put this information out for anyone to see, and to inform everyone of what new laws are being proposed. The firearms industry is no different. Every industry has advocacy groups that you pay to keep you informed of current affairs, or you can do the research yourself. I shouldn't say that I'm shocked, but I am surprised when I hear about people that make their living in the firearms industry that don't even know about Ballot Measure 114. |
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: You're missing the point completely. I'm saying that the information is readily available to anyone. OLIS is free and has the status of every single proposed bill for this session. There are groups all over the state that put this information out for anyone to see, and to inform everyone of what new laws are being proposed. The firearms industry is no different. Every industry has advocacy groups that you pay to keep you informed of current affairs, or you can do the research yourself. I shouldn't say that I'm shocked, but I am surprised when I hear about people that make their living in the firearms industry that don't even know about Ballot Measure 114. You are missing the point. No "official" information. Yeah, you can read what some retard on TV or the Internet has to say. That means absolutely nothing if you run a business. You need to know the law, not what some retard has to say second hand or what they believe is the law. As I said before, even the morons of the AFT can officially inform FFLs of law changes. Pistol braces for example, FFLs were notified, it was not just what dip shit McGee on the TV or some website said. They did not have to go digging in some obscure part of the AFT website. Not every FFL or every person is tech literate. Most people are impressively tech illiterate, even those in jobs that require tech literacy. Other than that I have no idea how you put future bills together with laws to be implemented and have been rubber stamped. this thread had to do with a measure that has been voted on, killed legally and then brought back to life by activist judges and use of brainpower past communist wants. This is not a bill in some committee somewhere. This shit will affect the livelihood of people across the state and not in a good way. It will cause more hard than good. I have no expectations of people to know what is going on. If it is against the people the state and feds tend to try to keep things pretty quiet. Little to no.media coverage, some single website with low traffic will be the only place. |
| The reason there is no official notice is that there has been no change in any of the laws. However, there are about a dozen new restrictions in the house and senate. The information is readily available and I have no sympathy whatsoever for people that ignore industry groups and publications. Either get active in the business or suffer the consequences. |
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Everyone needs to remember the 11+ magazine rule includes “Presumptive” guilt. You are guilty of breaking the law until you prove you purchased the magazines before the enactment date. I have been doing this since the 90’s. There is 0% chance I can prove the purchase date for 95% of my magazines. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: Everyone needs to remember the 11+ magazine rule includes “Presumptive” guilt. You are guilty of breaking the law until you prove you purchased the magazines before the enactment date. I have been doing this since the 90’s. There is 0% chance I can prove the purchase date for 95% of my magazines. Even if you have a purchase receipt, how can you prove it's for a particular magazine when they don't have serial numbers? A receipt could be for any magazine. |
 OREGON is ERASING the 2ND AMENDMENT!!! (w/ Kevin Starrett of OFF) |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: The state is doing guilty until proven innocent breaking the US Constitution. They want it to be your job to prove you had the mag before rather than making them work to prove you didn't. Also, came across this on another Oregon gun forum. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250409/105c9c5ec01af8f35749090a1eb291d5.jpg He's really getting down to the wire. Tomorrow is the 16th, last day to file. Seems kinda risky to wait till the last minute. So I guess we can still buy guns until we hear otherwise? |
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Originally Posted By AASG: He's really getting down to the wire. Tomorrow is the 16th, last day to file. Seems kinda risky to wait till the last minute. So I guess we can still buy guns until we hear otherwise? I contacted my favorite FFL for info on guidance from the state for FFLs. There has been none. I plan to continue as normal. |
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Originally Posted By AASG: I was looking at bi-marts web site, they are starting to list guns with 10 round mags that are normally high cap, like Glocks. I guess they are preparing for the inevitable. We now live in a "ban state". Speaking of Bi-Mart, they are hosting an event at ARPC in August. Here's the link to the Saddle Butte Rendezvous. August 2nd and 3rd. 4 Spirits Foundation veterans charity pistol match is next Saturday the 21st. Quarterly Range Day is the 28th. It's a handgun and MSR match that's a ton of fun and good shooting drills. Link here. |
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: Speaking of Bi-Mart, they are hosting an event at ARPC in August. Here's the link to the Saddle Butte Rendezvous. August 2nd and 3rd. 4 Spirits Foundation veterans charity pistol match is next Saturday the 21st. Quarterly Range Day is the 28th. It's a handgun and MSR match that's a ton of fun and good shooting drills. Link here. I like to give bi-mart as much business as I can. They're a good company. |
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This guy has some info.  MEASURE 114 UPDATE 6/12/25: The latest! |
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Originally Posted By COLTGOLDCUP: This guy has some info.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYe2G6nOD4Thanks for posting this. So it sounds like the appeal is going to be heard, and it's on hold until a decision is made |
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I've posted links several times but yes, if you want actual status, the lawyers facebook page is the best place for unfiltered information. NW Firearms has several discussions including SB243 and HB3075. If there are no changes, then people will use the threads as a chat room. |