Posted: 6/4/2026 8:31:46 AM EDT
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While posting a question regarding my SA Garrison, someone suggested I replace the OEM Ti firing pin with a steel firing pin. They didn’t state why, but I think I know the answer but would like others more knowledgeable than myself to explain the reason(s). Thanks |
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When i first got my Springfield Operator 4.25" 9mm it had some first strike failures to fire. It also had some smeared primers, where on firing, the primer would flow back into the firing pin hole in the breach and get smeared off then the slide unlocked. This would happen with factory ammo and some of my handloads. I replaced the firing pin with an appropriate size Ed Brown steel firing pin along with a new firing pin spring. No further issues. |
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Ti firing pin is to make the gun more drop safe. Less mass means less momentum. Because of this, heavier mainsprings are used to make sure the FP carries enough momentum to reliably set off primers. Lots of people put the standard steel FP back in and then are also able to reduce the mainspring (which can help the trigger pull). |
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Originally Posted By Ohio_Man: Ti firing pin is to make the gun more drop safe. Less mass means less momentum. Because of this, heavier mainsprings are used to make sure the FP Carrie’s enough momentum to reliably set off primers. Lots of people put the standard steel FP back in and then are also able to reduce the mainspring (which can help the trigger pull). I've never had an issue with the trigger pull in guns with a Ti FP. I feel like it would be a downgrade to trade a Ti FP for steel one, but that's me. |
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Originally Posted By cb4017: When i first got my Springfield Operator 4.25" 9mm it had some first strike failures to fire. It also had some smeared primers, where on firing, the primer would flow back into the firing pin hole in the breach and get smeared off then the slide unlocked. This would happen with factory ammo and some of my handloads. I replaced the firing pin with an appropriate size Ed Brown steel firing pin along with a new firing pin spring. No further issues. I had a titanium firing pin in my .38 Super, it worked fine. Placed it in the slide of my 9x23mm Winchester and it pierced primers, even rifle primers. I only fired 2 shots before I switched back. |
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My factory Ti firing pin in K6s broke. Replaced with a hardened steel one. IDK if it was a manufacturing defect or bad engineering. Ti is generally not as hard as steel, not sure which alloy specifically they used and whether there is an alloy that would make it a good idea. I could imagine a bimetal pin making sense with a hardened steel tip. I think I read somewhere that Ti pin being lighter it reduces the time from the trigger press to ignition (lockup time?) which helps practical accuracy. |
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: ![]() Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: I've never had an issue with the trigger pull in guns with a Ti FP. I feel like it would be a downgrade to trade a Ti FP for steel one, but that's me. ![]() So, believing that it is a downgrade for an end user to reverse a design change to the original 70 series that the manufacturer made explicitly to make it more drop safe, is somehow a controversial opinion? ![]() I like my 1911 trigger pull to be around 4.5-5.5 lbs. I can shoot them really well with a duty weight trigger. I have not had an issue with ignition in any of the 1911's I've shot and I've actually carried my 1911 quite a bit (probably about 25% of time). |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: So, believing that it is a downgrade for an end user to reverse a design change to the original 70 series that the manufacturer made explicitly to make it more drop safe, is somehow a controversial opinion? ![]() I like my 1911 trigger pull to be around 4.5-5.5 lbs. I can shoot them really well with a duty weight trigger. I have not had an issue with ignition in any of the 1911's I've shot and I've actually carried my 1911 quite a bit (probably about 25% of time). |
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Just because you've rationalized it doesn't make steel a downgrade. Do you like series 80 guns? Originally Posted By Bradd_D: Originally Posted By NN300BLK: So, believing that it is a downgrade for an end user to reverse a design change to the original 70 series that the manufacturer made explicitly to make it more drop safe, is somehow a controversial opinion? ![]() I like my 1911 trigger pull to be around 4.5-5.5 lbs. I can shoot them really well with a duty weight trigger. I have not had an issue with ignition in any of the 1911's I've shot and I've actually carried my 1911 quite a bit (probably about 25% of time). If I don't personally see the benefit in terms of performance by changing the FP from Ti to steel while recognizing that there may be potential downsides, wouldn't that be the definition of being a downgrade to me? I have no problems with 80s series guns. I even appreciate the FP block. But I'm also not really picky when it comes to trigger pulls. I'm as happy with a Hellcat/Glock trigger as a 1911 trigger in practice. My groups are a bit bigger, but I'm just as happy with the 12lb pull on my SP101. I respect the fact that it also depends on purpose. I appreciate that a Browning Buckmark has a great trigger and I'm more accurate with one than any other handgun, but it's also a target pistol in my thinking. I don't treat a 1911 as a target only pistol, even though I can see myself removing it from my carry rotation altogether in the future. |
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Originally Posted By NN300BLK: If I don't personally see the benefit in terms of performance by changing the FP from Ti to steel while recognizing that there may be potential downsides, wouldn't that be the definition of being a downgrade to me? |
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Originally Posted By rebel_rifle: While posting a question regarding my SA Garrison, someone suggested I replace the OEM Ti firing pin with a steel firing pin. They didn’t state why, but I think I know the answer but would like others more knowledgeable than myself to explain the reason(s). Thanks Would you please share the potential reason? |
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Originally Posted By KK66: Would you please share the potential reason? Originally Posted By KK66: Originally Posted By rebel_rifle: While posting a question regarding my SA Garrison, someone suggested I replace the OEM Ti firing pin with a steel firing pin. They didn’t state why, but I think I know the answer but would like others more knowledgeable than myself to explain the reason(s). Thanks Would you please share the potential reason? Sure. First off, my experience with Ti firing pins comes from my former days of shooting highpower. And yes, it’s with rifles and not pistols, whether that matters or not, I don’t know. When the AR became the prevalent platform in service rifle competition, Ti firing pins were used and advocated by some. The prevailing thought was due to the firing pins were used being free floating, the Ti fp was a safety enhancement. A standard steel firing pins were used was probably around $3-$5 as I recall, but the Ti pins were more like $20-$25. However, if you had a Ti fp and pierced a primer the tip would be trashed. Until you replaced it you would continue to pierce primers and you were left losing $25 and possibly having to pull out of a match. The key to using a steel firing pin was making sure your ammo/reloads did not have high primers and not using overly sensitive primers. Again, just my experience. For AR’s, at least, it was a solution in search of a problem. In all my years of shooting highpower I never experienced or observed a slam fire due to a steel firing pin. |
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Originally Posted By rebel_rifle: Sure. First off, my experience with Ti firing pins comes from my former days of shooting highpower. And yes, it’s with rifles and not pistols, whether that matters or not, I don’t know. When the AR became the prevalent platform in service rifle competition, Ti firing pins were used and advocated by some. The prevailing thought was due to the firing pins were used being free floating, the Ti fp was a safety enhancement. A standard steel firing pins were used was probably around $3-$5 as I recall, but the Ti pins were more like $20-$25. However, if you had a Ti fp and pierced a primer the tip would be trashed. Until you replaced it you would continue to pierce primers and you were left losing $25 and possibly having to pull out of a match. The key to using a steel firing pin was making sure your ammo/reloads did not have high primers and not using overly sensitive primers. Again, just my experience. For AR’s, at least, it was a solution in search of a problem. In all my years of shooting highpower I never experienced or observed a slam fire due to a steel firing pin. AR-15s use a floating FP whereas 1911s do not and the concern with the 1911 is primarily drop safety. Rifle primers are typically harder than pistol primers, no? So, wouldn't it be possible for a Ti FP to be too soft and deform for one application and not commonly do so in another? Aren't CCI relatively hard primers for pistol ammunition? Has anyone had consistent issues with these primers? |
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In my experience, the ti pins are more suitable in 45s than in 9mms. There’s more spring energy to work with. In 9mm, you’re more likely to have light strikes and primer shear. I had a 9mm Springfield get locked up with primer shavings when one got between the ejector and slide. My Prodigy would fail to light about 20% of the ammo I tried to put through it, and there’s only so heavy you can make a mainspring in 9mm. I usually replace pins with steel in 9mm. And the mainspring, recoil spring, and FP spring in Springfield 9mms. I don’t see issues with CCI primers in pistol ammo. Wolf primers are about the hardest I know, and I’ll test a finicky gun with those. The Servicio Aventuras primers are also hard. |
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Originally Posted By rebel_rifle: When the AR became the prevalent platform in service rifle competition, Ti firing pins were used and advocated by some. The prevailing thought was due to the firing pins were used being free floating, the Ti fp was a safety enhancement. That is a crazy mentality, but about what I'd expect from the safety Sallies. "The gun in use by civilians, military, and law enforcement by the literal millions isn't safe enough to carry from my car to the line!" ![]() RE pistols that require it, to me these guns that require a lighter firing pin and stronger spring just to be -on the edge of- drop safe are a huge step backward. You're making the gun less reliable and degrading the trigger, which is the whole point of shooting one of these pistols in 2026 in the first place. |

