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1/5/2026 7:25:50 PM EDT
I’m looking to purchase my first red dot for my S&W M&P 2.0 subcompact (4” barrel). I’d love a holosun EPS but it’s outside my budget…

On the front page I saw the Vortex Venom enclosed red dot and it runs for about $180 right now on Amazon which seems like a great price from a solid brand.

Then I came across one made by Vector which is $130 (scrd 68). Saw some reviews on youtube and it seems legit but I’m curious to see what ya’ll think about it?

For reference:
https://vector2007.com/products/frenzy-s-1x17x20-red-dot-sight-aspheric-lens

Thank you all in advance
1/5/2026 7:31:06 PM EDT
[#1]
You can get by with a cheap red dot on a 22LR rifle or pistol,.....but think about the hard life an optic has SLAMMING back and forth every time you pull the trigger.

work some overtime, and get something good,   or stick with irons.

a cheap red dot on a pistol slide will quickly fail.

1/5/2026 7:57:42 PM EDT
[#2]
I have about a dozen Vector red dots and they are solid, but I don't have experience with that particular model.  You can occasionally find the Osight SE for under $150 if you check gun.deals regularly.
1/5/2026 8:27:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Also, if you do end up getting a Holosun EPS check out midwest optics.
If you email him which one you're interested in he'll ask if you want a coupon code for it.
https://midwestoptics.net/product/holosun-eps-2-moa-red/
1/5/2026 8:39:48 PM EDT
[#4]

Olight se k $129 on Amazon.


1/5/2026 9:27:46 PM EDT
[#5]
I decided a long time ago to get good, quality stuff. Not the most expensive, but definitely not the cheapest. I’d rather spend more now than buy cheap, have it break and wind up spending more anyway. I’d consider the Holosun EPS a mid range optic in terms of price, but the quality is definitely above the price point. Their CS is awesome as well in my experience. Save a little money and get the EPS. It’s only around $100 or so more than what you’re looking to spend. You won’t regret it.
1/5/2026 10:42:06 PM EDT
[#6]
I don’t have a vortex venom but have heard good things. My buddy has one and he shoots a lot and no issues. Have also seen several positive reviews
1/5/2026 10:47:57 PM EDT
[#7]
I think I would want to hear from someone who used that other brands warranty service.

Everyone knows Vortex will take care of you if you get a bad optic.
1/5/2026 11:26:09 PM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:


Olight se k $129 on Amazon.


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The K is not an SE and as such is not enclosed.
1/5/2026 11:54:45 PM EDT
[#9]
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This one is great for an astigmatism.  The Cyelee Wolf-2 G. It works with my astigmatism but it's not a prismatic sight.
And is on Amazon for less than $130.
1/6/2026 12:54:38 AM EDT
[#10]
Thanks everyone yalls feedback gives me lot to think about. This is such a nice and supportive forum. God bless everyone here
1/6/2026 9:35:17 AM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By chevrofreak:

The K is not an SE and as such is not enclosed.
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Originally Posted By chevrofreak:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:


Olight se k $129 on Amazon.



The K is not an SE and as such is not enclosed.



Didn't know that part.

I have the se and the se green dot.

Keep seeing the k ads, just assumed it was enclosed.


1/6/2026 9:54:35 AM EDT
[#12]
I bought a Vortex Venom and have it on a RXM.  A few hundred rounds including an IDPA match so far, no complaints.
1/6/2026 12:08:31 PM EDT
[#13]
I have the Vortex Venom enclosed and have 800 rounds through it. The only negative are adjustment is mushy at certain spots. Once you get it zero you wouldn't have to deal with it again. I like having the buttons on top.  I can look down and turn up/down the brightness.  Other than the mushy adjustment it been a good optic.
1/6/2026 12:46:51 PM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:



Didn't know that part.

I have the se and the se green dot.

Keep seeing the k ads, just assumed it was enclosed.


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Easy mistake to make, since the housing looks so similar.
1/6/2026 12:48:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Only one I’d trust is the Vortex Venom if moving up to the Vortex Enclosed ST is too expensive.
1/13/2026 10:58:27 AM EDT
[#16]
My Olight SE has been flawless now for over 1000 rounds on 2 different pistols.
Highly recommend.
1/13/2026 12:10:05 PM EDT
[#17]
Been using the Frenzy on my Prodigy for a few hundred rounds. No issues yet. Attached File
1/15/2026 12:35:16 AM EDT
[#18]
Optics planet currently has that Vortex Venom for $150 with free shipping.
1/26/2026 11:06:42 PM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By Colt653:

You can get by with a cheap red dot on a 22LR rifle or pistol,.....but think about the hard life an optic has SLAMMING back and forth every time you pull the trigger.

work some overtime, and get something good,   or stick with irons.

a cheap red dot on a pistol slide will quickly fail.

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THIS HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. I ONCE PUT A CHEAP AMAZON RED DOT ON A TAURUS TX22. IT LASTED ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE IT FAILED

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