Posted: 8/16/2025 10:15:59 PM EDT
|
I say target loosely. 6 inch target at 50 yards, decent enough grouping at 25. The TX 22 seems to be all the rage in terms of 22 pistols right now, and it's the cheapest, but how happy am I going to be at those ranges? This isn't going to be for anything serious, but if I can't keep them in 6 inches at 50 I'd be a bit disappointed. Obviously the other 3 mainstream models (Mk 4, Victory, Buck Mark) are going to be better platforms at 50 yards. Offering options for red dots that don't move with the slide while firing, much more options in terms of tinkering to increase accuracy. But as a play gun is the decent uptick in price worth it over the Taurus? |
|
I don’t think any of those .22s like the G44, P322, TX22, MP22, etc will ever come close to the results you are looking for when compared to the Mk 4, Victory, Buck Mark. They are more geared towards plinking like 7-20 yrds and to look and mimic their 9mm counterpart. They are not target guns. Don’t expect them to have groupings like a Mk 4, Victory, Buck Mark either, much less at 25 yrds. I would say 50 yrds is asking a lot from them. I have the MK4 and a Sig P322. No way I can get the tight groups with my P322 like I can with my MK4. They are both fun, but in different ways. MK4 is built like a tank while the P322 is a plasticky toy. I use to have a Walther P22 and that thing sucked. |
|
Here is another thing to consider. .22s like the G44, P322, TX22, MP22, etc seems to be hit or miss when it come to ownership feed back. Some will say theirs work while others report reliability issues. Case in point, my P22 had issues while others didn’t. My Sig P322 works though Ive only had it for short period of time, but tons of people have issues with it. On the flip side, the Mk 4, Victory, Buck Mark, you don’t hear much issues with them. The feedback/reviews seems consistent. They all seem to be reliable and accurate across the spectrum. |
Joined:
Dec 2022
Posts:
1366
EE: 100% (42)
TX, USA
|
Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Save your money for a Volquartsen. My Black Mamba is ridiculously accurate well beyond 25 yards. They would do it. A Ruger could with some mods. I don't know about the current crop of model 41 Smiths, but older 41s and High Standards still make a showing at the National Matches. |
|
Are you up to the task? Do you shoot at 50 yards a lot with a handgun? The few times I have the shit ammo made it tough. That's a huge problem with 22 ammo inconsistency. I'd think that most modern guns with good ammo they liked could probably do it. 6" is the width of the A zone on a USPSA target. I really want to try a TX22. I don't have any first hand experience with them I have a bunch of MKII and III 22/45's. The TX22 Competition with the fixed mount seems perfect to me. |
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles.
People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird.
|
You guys know people shoot bullseye with all sorts of .22s, and Buckmarks, for example, don't have a great reputation? Half the battle is the ammo you are going to feed it. I wouldn't expect a TX22 to have any problem with 6" at 50. Most of the pistols you mention won't. Top of the pile for .22 accuracy is a Nelson Customs 1911 conversion. So if you have a 1911, that and $600 will get you a pistol that will shoot 2" at 50 with the right ammo, maybe better. Get over to the Bullseye forums and ask your question. You're just going to get a bunch of bad advice here. |
|
Hammerli Xesse. From a solid rest at 50 yards I routinely get 5 shot sub inch groups with match ammo.Attached File |
I am not smart enough to know the answer. I am smart enough to know the question.
| I use the Ruger MkIV Hunter 6-7/8 with Volquartsen mods and it’s a tack driver. Another target pistol I use is a Smith 41 Performace center and it’s seemingly more accurate than the Ruger at shorter range so assume it will shine more at distance. |
|
The TX22 is not the most accurate gun but boy is it fun If it did not have a FRT and a chassis Im not sure I would care for it over my MK4 But with those two things its a whole lot of fun I get about 3-4" at 25 yards with my TX22 benching it on a bag and in that chassis single shot |
Battle Of West Appalachia Survivor
|
Originally Posted By Dissident: How are the recent S&W 41 offerings? I can't speak to recent quality but I think they've priced themselves out of the market unless you find a deal on a decent used one. I have one and they are nice but not worth what they are going for new these days IMO |
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
|
Originally Posted By airgunner: I can't speak to recent quality but I think they've priced themselves out of the market unless you find a deal on a decent used one. I have one and they are nice but not worth what they are going for new these days IMO Originally Posted By airgunner: Originally Posted By Dissident: How are the recent S&W 41 offerings? I can't speak to recent quality but I think they've priced themselves out of the market unless you find a deal on a decent used one. I have one and they are nice but not worth what they are going for new these days IMO Still in stock at the distributors but think Smith has discontinued em. |
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
|
Originally Posted By backbencher: Still in stock at the distributors but think Smith has discontinued em. I hadn't heard that so I googled it..  I guess if you want a new one, now might be the time to get one but at anywhere near the current MSRP, I'd pass. Cool gun but nowhere near that cool. I would not pay over $1k for one unless it came with multiple barrels and or mags, etc. I guess I can hang on to mine for a few more years then selling it as a collectors item! lol |
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
Joined:
Jan 2023
Posts:
118
EE: 0% (0)
IN, USA
|
I have several and enjoy shooting them all, but a couple stand out from the rest. Ruger MKIV 22/45 w/ Vortex red dot and Tandemkross trigger and other mods. Shoots into >1" at 15 yards from a rest w/ CCI Mini-Mag solids. Ruger MKIII Hunter w/ old Tasco red dot. Stock other than that. Shoots into >1" at 15 yards from a rest w/ CCI Mini-Mag solids. I want to add a Volquartsen Accurizing kit to it to see what it can do. These 2 are the ones I would consider target worthy. My others are: Taurus TX-22 w/ red dot and Tandemkross trigger. S&W MP-22C with a set of William's fiber optic sights. Glock 44 with a set of Ameriglo fiber optic sights. Walther WMP-SD with a red dot. Hi-Standard Dura-Matic M-101, bone stock. JC Higgins Model 88 revolver, bone stock. All are very reliable with CCI Mini Mags and probably shoot more accurately than my feeble skills can make them shoot. I had a Ruger MKIV Hunter and Ruger Super Single Six Hunter and both were very accurate. |
|
I believe American-made precision bullseye .22 pistolas are going away because it is a difficult discipline. Young Americans generally don't want to train or do difficult things. Gone away: Colt Woodsman and High Standard Supermatics. Going next, Smith and Wesson Model 41s. Still hanging: Rugers and custom .22 1911s (like Marvel and a few others). Euro guns still in production (Hammerli 208s). 
|
Joined:
Oct 2022
Posts:
114
EE: 0% (0)
IL, USA
|
Originally Posted By Sinister: I believe American-made precision bullseye .22 pistolas are going away because it is a difficult discipline. Young Americans generally don't want to train or do difficult things. Gone away: Colt Woodsman and High Standard Supermatics. Going next, Smith and Wesson Model 41s. Still hanging: Rugers and custom .22 1911s (like Marvel and a few others). Euro guns still in production (Hammerli 208s). ] I hate this, but I think you are on to something. The Olympic shooting sports come to mind. They are not using American ammo. Not many target shooting type 22's, a metric crap ton of quick easy to produce munute of car hood accurate pistols to use as " trainers". |
|
Originally Posted By Sinister: I believe American-made precision bullseye .22 pistolas are going away because it is a difficult discipline. Young Americans generally don't want to train or do difficult things. Bullseyes competitions (and hence the guns made specifically for that purpose) are going away but not because it's difficult. There is no such thing as an easy shooting sport (not if you want to be a top competitor). Bulleye competitions are going away for primarily 2 reasons IMO... 1. Harder or not, most people find it boring. The average shooter these days find that trying to neutralize multiple separate (often reactionary) targets while on the move and the clock a lot more fun than standing still and slowly shooting 10 rounds into a single paper target. 2. It has no real world or practical application. Who and/or why would anybody shoot like that outside of competition? All of the most popular shooting sports these days have a level of real world application to them be it for either combat, self defense or hunting. |
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
|
Originally Posted By Thomasc1169: I have several and enjoy shooting them all, but a couple stand out from the rest. Ruger MKIV 22/45 w/ Vortex red dot and Tandemkross trigger and other mods. Shoots into >1" at 15 yards from a rest w/ CCI Mini-Mag solids. Ruger MKIII Hunter w/ old Tasco red dot. Stock other than that. Shoots into >1" at 15 yards from a rest w/ CCI Mini-Mag solids. I want to add a Volquartsen Accurizing kit to it to see what it can do. These 2 are the ones I would consider target worthy. My others are: Taurus TX-22 w/ red dot and Tandemkross trigger. S&W MP-22C with a set of William's fiber optic sights. Glock 44 with a set of Ameriglo fiber optic sights. Walther WMP-SD with a red dot. Hi-Standard Dura-Matic M-101, bone stock. JC Higgins Model 88 revolver, bone stock. All are very reliable with CCI Mini Mags and probably shoot more accurately than my feeble skills can make them shoot. I had a Ruger MKIV Hunter and Ruger Super Single Six Hunter and both were very accurate.  You run CCI MiniMags through a Hi-Standard?
|
I sell firearms produced by the finest child labor in the world, be it Filipino, Muslim, Mormon, Arizonan, or Texan.
|
2. It has no real world or practical application. Who and/or why would anybody shoot like that outside of competition? All of the most popular shooting sports these days have a level of real world application to them be it for either combat, self defense or hunting. It is much like the Indianapolis 500. Driving a roofless car in circles is not the least bit "practical". Driving the the mini van to the mall is practical. |
|
Originally Posted By GFrancisco: It is much like the Indianapolis 500. Driving a roofless car in circles is not the least bit "practical". Driving the the mini van to the mall is practical. The difference being, driving a roofless car at 200mph is exhilarating and something most red blooded males would love to do. I don't think you can say the same thing about bullseye shooting. 
|
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
|
Bullseye might be "boring", yet no one has ever shot a perfect 2700-270x score. I can stand around all day at an IPSC match to shoot 30-60 rounds, or shoot 270 rounds in a Bullseye match. The gun games have no real application in the world of personal combat, aka gun fights. I've survived my share of them. Fundamentals still matter, and the best in any shooting sport are still master class shooters in the fundamentals, be it NRA Bullseye Pistol, PPC, NRA Hi-power, or NRA Smallbore. |
Dave Funk
Past President and now a Board of Directors member Iowa Firearms Coalition.
Past President and now a Board of Directors member Iowa Firearms Coalition.
|
Shoot whatever you enjoy shooting. I'm just saying people haven't moved away from bullseye competitions just because its "too hard". |
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
|
Originally Posted By airgunner: Shoot whatever you enjoy shooting. I'm just saying people haven't moved away from bullseye competitions just because its "too hard". There's also something to be said for the barrier to entry getting higher and higher. Most people, especially young ones, can see the amount of $$$ gear required to be successful in a particular game and decide if its worth it or not. Bullseye has a reputation for needing $$$ pistols, weird glasses, etc. Olympic three position is very similar. USPSA has it, too, but at least you have divisions like production that make the barrier lower. I think PRS had the same flameout. Really cool idea and fun game, but you had to be personally wealthy or sponsored to participate in the arms race. |
|
Bullseye is a older persons sport but I don't think it is boring or expensive compared to other shooting sports. It is aging out around here but indoor precision pistol league is still pretty popular. To me boring is spending 12 hrs at a Uspsa match getting sun burned to shoot very little round count and have to listen to dudes in bowling shirts and Plumb Smugglers compare gear like women . 
|
|
Originally Posted By tangeant: To me boring is spending 12 hrs at a Uspsa match getting sun burned to shoot very little round count and have to listen to dudes in bowling shirts and Plumb Smugglers compare gear like women .  I use to shoot some Steel Challenge and IDPA matches but stopped because they would eat up 4-5 hours of a day to shoot maybe ~100rds. Most of the time you're just standing around sweating (and these were just local matches, I image State and National matches are even worse?) and yeah, some of the shit you'd hear and people you end up talking to were  I remember one old guy at a match shooting a Glock that would consistently jam after no more then a few rounds. Somebody else was looking at it and asked the guy when was the last time he cleaned it to which the old guy responded... "its a Glock, you don't have to clean Glocks!" lol ETA - I did see one of the funniest interactions there once. Steel challange match and the shooter couldn't hit shit. 2-3 shots per plate. At the end of the stage, the guy running the stage asked the shooter if he was a cop? The guy replied "yeah, how do you know?" and the other guy replied "because you shoot like one"!!! I don't think I ever laughed so hard  |
On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend." - Richard Jeni
|
Originally Posted By airgunner: The difference being, driving a roofless car at 200mph is exhilarating and something most red blooded males would love to do. I don't think you can say the same thing about bullseye shooting. Exhilarating is subjective and irrelevant. The word in question was practical. To some watching cars drive in circles is boring. Is golf exhilarating? Is Archery? |
|
Originally Posted By airgunner: I hadn't heard that so I googled it.. https://i.imgur.com/Bg828Is.jpg I guess if you want a new one, now might be the time to get one but at anywhere near the current MSRP, I'd pass. Cool gun but nowhere near that cool. I would not pay over $1k for one unless it came with multiple barrels and or mags, etc. I guess I can hang on to mine for a few more years then selling it as a collectors item! lol Originally Posted By airgunner: Originally Posted By backbencher: Still in stock at the distributors but think Smith has discontinued em. I hadn't heard that so I googled it.. https://i.imgur.com/Bg828Is.jpg I guess if you want a new one, now might be the time to get one but at anywhere near the current MSRP, I'd pass. Cool gun but nowhere near that cool. I would not pay over $1k for one unless it came with multiple barrels and or mags, etc. I guess I can hang on to mine for a few more years then selling it as a collectors item! lol I've found the SW22 Victory to be very accurate. Definitely up there with Ruger MK series as opposed to the throwaway 22A S&W put out for a few years. Its remarkable that it has the accuracy it does with the bent steel receiver but its very robust with nice machining and lots of aftermarket support. Attached File |
Crap Magnet Extraordinaire
|
Originally Posted By Dissident: How are the recent S&W 41 offerings? I have had four of them and never had any issues. Mine were all the 5.5” in both the Performance Center and standard models. I run a PC 41 with a Holosun 507 Comp and love it. Not as ergonomic as the Ruger or Volquartsen but accurate and a great trigger. |