Posted: 3/11/2025 8:12:42 PM EDT
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https://thefederalist.com/2025/03/11/study-concealed-carriers-do-a-better-job-of-stopping-active-shooters-than-police/ You’d never know it from watching television, but civilians stop more active shooters than police and do so with fewer mistakes, according to new research from the Crime Prevention Research Center, where I serve as president. In non-gun-free zones, where civilians are legally able to carry guns, concealed carry permit holders stopped 51.5 percent of active shootings, compared to 44.6 percent stopped by police, CPRC found in a deep dive into active shooter scenarios between 2014 and 2023. Not only do permit holders succeed in stopping active shooters at a higher rate, but law enforcement officers face significantly greater risks when intervening. Our research found police were nearly six times more likely to be killed and 17 percent more likely to be wounded than armed civilians. Those numbers paint a fuller picture than the FBI’s crime statistics, which fail to include many of the defensive gun uses my organization has cataloged. But the problem with the FBI’s crime statistics isn’t just the errors in their reported data — they also fail to address useful questions, like how concealed handgun permit holders compare to law enforcement. Kash Patel and Dan Bongino face a major challenge in reforming how the data is collected and reported at the FBI. What we found: From 2014 to 2023, CPRC researchers found that armed civilians stopped 180 of 515 active shooting cases. Of the attacks in places where people were allowed to carry, we found that permit holders stopped 158 of the 307 instances. The FBI defines an “active shooting” as an event where an individual actively attempts to kill people in a public place — excluding shootings tied to robberies or gang violence. An “active shooting” could be as simple as a single shot fired at a lone human target, even if the shooter misses, to a mass shooting. The Crime Prevention Research Center’s findings tell a very different story than the narrative you’ll see on television. Of the 180 total instances where an armed civilian stopped an active shooting, did permit holders end up accidentally shooting bystanders? In just one case (0.56 percent). Did they interfere with police? In zero cases (0.0 percent). Did they lose their lives in the confrontation? In two cases (1.1 percent). Were they injured while saving lives? In 44 cases (24.4 percent). Was the shooting they prevented likely to be a mass public shooting? In 58 cases (32 percent). Did they have their gun taken away? In one case (0.56 percent). Civilians don’t succeed in stopping every active shooter situation, but the alternative isn’t perfection. Police officers are often at a disadvantage because their uniforms make them obvious targets, while civilians can stop an attacker before being noticed. Compare the numbers from active shootings stopped by police versus those stopped by armed civilians, and permit holders stack up pretty well. In the 156 cases stopped by law enforcement, we found police accidentally shot the wrong person in four cases, killing fellow officers twice and civilians twice. That’s more than double the rate of civilians accidentally shooting a bystander (1.14 percent compared to 0.56 percent). According to our research, 27 police were shot and killed while trying to stop an active shooter, a 7.7 percent rate, which is nearly six times higher than the rate for permit holders. One hundred police were wounded, a 28.6 percent rate, compared to 24.4 percent for permit holders. Police never had their guns taken away from them. These findings highlight a reality that is often ignored: responsible gun owners save lives. Concealed handgun permit holders aren’t reckless vigilantes, but they are law-abiding citizens who step up in moments of crisis when seconds matter and police are minutes away. TV Isn’t Reality Even though law-abiding citizens who carry concealed firearms stop active shootings with few mistakes — in some cases with fewer mistakes than police — TV police dramas portray armed civilians as causing more harm than good in self-defense situations. These shows repeatedly push the idea that civilians shouldn’t play the hero and should instead leave everything to the police. Concealed handgun permit holders are portrayed as reckless vigilantes who leave a disaster behind them: accidentally shooting bystanders, interfering with law enforcement, failing to protect themselves, or even having their guns stolen and misused in crimes or accidental shootings. Gun control organizations openly brag about working with producers, directors, and writers to push their gun control narrative. And many in Hollywood proudly admit their efforts to use television and movies to change the culture. Heroic citizens stopping bad guys would be just as interesting to watch as police stopping crimes, but permit holders are rarely portrayed that way on television. This reluctance to show normal good guys with guns endangers public safety by fostering a false perception that armed civilians are more of a threat than a solution. If we truly care about public safety, we should acknowledge the proven role that responsible gun owners play in stopping violent attacks — rather than avoiding the truth for the sake of an anti-gun agenda. |
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We found that concealed carry permit holders stopped 51.5 percent of active shootings, compared to 44.6 percent stopped by police. Not only do permit holders succeed in stopping active shooters at a higher rate, but law enforcement officers face significantly greater risks when intervening. Our research found police were nearly six times more likely to be killed and 17 percent more likely to be wounded than armed civilians. ... From 2014 to 2023, CPRC researchers found that armed civilians stopped 180 of 515 active shooting cases. Of the attacks in places where people were allowed to carry, we found that permit holders stopped 158 of the 307 instances. The FBI defines an “active shooting” as an event where an individual actively attempts to kill people in a public place — excluding shootings tied to robberies or gang violence. An “active shooting” could be as simple as a single shot fired at a lone human target, even if the shooter misses, to a mass shooting. ... Of the 180 total instances where an armed civilian stopped an active shooting, did permit holders end up accidentally shooting bystanders? In just one case (0.56 percent). Did they interfere with police? In zero cases (0.0 percent). Did they lose their lives in the confrontation? In two cases (1.1 percent). Were they injured while saving lives? In 44 cases (24.4 percent). Was the shooting they prevented likely to be a mass public shooting? In 58 cases (32 percent). Did they have their gun taken away? In one case (0.56 percent). Good find. Thanks OP. |
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| I think this really needs a breakdown of which departments invest resources in good combat firearms and tactics training. I was with our big metro PD for over 10 years starting in the early 90's and they'd let you shoot all the damn time and offered some really good combat pistol and SG courses, two gun, low light, etc. with no restrictions on how often you could take them. We had good patrol tactics and warrant execution schools and our dept was known for officers rushing into schools without hesitation during active shooters going well before Columbine. We had nationally known firearms trainers that were active officers on the firearms/academy training staff. Full time, multi-squad SWAT team with a great dedicated training facility. SWAT initially was doing all the carbine training for patrolmen when AR's were authorized again in the early 2000's. Lumping a dept like this in with "guns are icky" departments like NYPD (and incompetent ones like Uvalde) is a little disingenuous. |
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Originally Posted By Czechers: I think this really needs a breakdown of which departments invest resources in good combat firearms and tactics training. I was with our big metro PD for over 10 years starting in the early 90's and they'd let you shoot all the damn time and offered some really good combat pistol and SG courses, two gun, low light, etc. with no restrictions on how often you could take them. We had good patrol tactics and warrant execution schools and our dept was known for officers rushing into schools without hesitation during active shooters going well before Columbine. We had nationally known firearms trainers that were active officers on the firearms/academy training staff. Full time, multi-squad SWAT team with a great dedicated training facility. SWAT initially was doing all the carbine training for patrolmen when AR's were authorized again in the early 2000's. Lumping a dept like this in with "guns are icky" departments like NYPD (and incompetent ones like Uvalde) is a little disingenuous. I read it yesterday and didn’t pick up that the stats suggest that the police are not competent, willing, or not sufficiently equipped to deal with active shooters. My take was that when armed public were present, they surpassed LEO marginally because they had the opportunity to stop the killing first. |
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Originally Posted By TAG_Match: I read it yesterday and didn’t pick up that the stats suggest that the police are not competent, willing, or not sufficiently equipped to deal with active shooters. My take was that when armed public were present, they surpassed LEO marginally because they had the opportunity to stop the killing first. I wouldn't disagree with that. Curious how that varies from states that support CCH/2A carry vs. unfriendly states. This could be useful in court cases fighting carry restrictions. |
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Originally Posted By hodgescl: Also who is on scene first, with first hand knowledge of the incident from the beginning vs who shows up halfway through with third hand info that may or may not still be accurate or relevant time wise. I am still surprised when I see people talking about this topic who don't recognize exactly this. |
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Originally Posted By Czechers: I think this really needs a breakdown of which departments invest resources in good combat firearms and tactics training. I was with our big metro PD for over 10 years starting in the early 90's and they'd let you shoot all the damn time and offered some really good combat pistol and SG courses, two gun, low light, etc. with no restrictions on how often you could take them. We had good patrol tactics and warrant execution schools and our dept was known for officers rushing into schools without hesitation during active shooters going well before Columbine. We had nationally known firearms trainers that were active officers on the firearms/academy training staff. Full time, multi-squad SWAT team with a great dedicated training facility. SWAT initially was doing all the carbine training for patrolmen when AR's were authorized again in the early 2000's. Lumping a dept like this in with "guns are icky" departments like NYPD (and incompetent ones like Uvalde) is a little disingenuous. Originally Posted By Czechers: I think this really needs a breakdown of which departments invest resources in good combat firearms and tactics training. I was with our big metro PD for over 10 years starting in the early 90's and they'd let you shoot all the damn time and offered some really good combat pistol and SG courses, two gun, low light, etc. with no restrictions on how often you could take them. We had good patrol tactics and warrant execution schools and our dept was known for officers rushing into schools without hesitation during active shooters going well before Columbine. We had nationally known firearms trainers that were active officers on the firearms/academy training staff. Full time, multi-squad SWAT team with a great dedicated training facility. SWAT initially was doing all the carbine training for patrolmen when AR's were authorized again in the early 2000's. Lumping a dept like this in with "guns are icky" departments like NYPD (and incompetent ones like Uvalde) is a little disingenuous. But you kind of have to lump in the crappy departments with the good ones. Because as a whole active shooters are just as likely to occur in these areas. And it very well may happen in an area like Uvalde where absolutely everyone is unwilling and unable to proceed forward. Not all men are willing and able regardless of back-ground. Training makes a BIG difference but even well trained guys never develop the mindset/willingness to engage. I've even seen some guys that are absolute phenoms on the shooting range who can't tolerate the idea of facing gun fire. I've assisted with lots of simunitions training scenarios. You can throw a patrol officer, swat officer or even veterans/ former military guys into a situation. Give him just a mask. No gloves and wearing a t-shirt and have him run the scenario where he knows WORSE case scenario he gets a small bruise/maybe a small cut if he gets hit from a sims round up close and they break mentally when under fire.... from non-lethal SIMs rounds. Like 9/10 of people will show up in 90-100 degree weather trying to wear a hoodie/jacket, stuffing towels down their pants for groin protection. Wearing gloves to protect their fingers. Etc. I get it. Pain sucks. Getting a small bruise sucks. Getting your skin split and maybe a small scar sucks. But dudes are unable to proceed forward and engage in non-lethal situations if there is the possibility of pain. Uvalde was a sad situation. Absolutely pathetic. But its the reality of the world. Another big issue with Uvalde is nobody was an actual leader. All it takes is one guy with a 'Fuck it I'm going' mentality and at least someone will follow him. Originally Posted By TAG_Match: I read it yesterday and didn’t pick up that the stats suggest that the police are not competent, willing, or not sufficiently equipped to deal with active shooters. My take was that when armed public were present, they surpassed LEO marginally because they had the opportunity to stop the killing first. I know quite a few officers that have responded to/stopped active shooters. The cold hard truth is competency and willing is only a small portion of the equation. Luck is the biggest portion. You get a 911 call about it. That 911 dispatcher talks to a person for however long and gets the info then dispatches an officer. Even if immediately available in the area. It still takes time to drive to the location. Exit vehicle and enter structure. And locate and engage the shooter. Even if that officer happened to be sitting in the parking lot of say a Walmart. An active shooter can easily kill 15-20 people before the officer has the opportunity to enter the building, locate and engage. The luck of the draw comes into play for civilian CCW holders because they are there when it starts and they see/find the shooter almost immediately and are able to engage. Statistically speaking most active shooters fold under pressure. They go down almost immediately and/or retreat and kill themselves, or abandon plan and try to escape. All it really takes is 1 guy willing to confront and engage them with a gun. |
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Originally Posted By ICEAGE: Uvalde was a sad situation. Absolutely pathetic. But its the reality of the world. Another big issue with Uvalde is nobody was an actual leader. All it takes is one guy with a 'Fuck it I'm going' mentality and at least someone will follow him.... Statistically speaking most active shooters fold under pressure. They go down almost immediately and/or retreat and kill themselves, or abandon plan and try to escape. All it really takes is 1 guy willing to confront and engage them with a gun..... Yep. If active shooters were looking for a firefight, they would attack places where they would get one instead of buildings full of unarmed people. I would hope that none of the officers who stood by at Uvalde and did nothing are still working in law enforcement after finding out they couldn't cut the mustard when it counted. But, I'm sure most of them are, and are now trying even harder to avoid ever getting in a situation where they need to go after an armed criminal. The worst shot in the department going through that door would have been better than Wild Bill Hickok just standing outside the door twiddling his thumbs and doing nothing. |