Posted: 1/9/2016 1:52:49 PM EDT
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Range Report: Speer 147 Grain Gold Dot G2  I chronographed the Speer 147 grain Gold Dot G2 ammunition from a Gen 2 Glock 19 (with a factory original barrel) over an Oehler 35-P chronograph. The load had a muzzle velocity of 960 FPS with a standard deviation of 8 FPS. I evaluated the accuracy of the 147 grain G2 load from a distance of 25 yards. A 10-shot group fired from my Noveske barreled Colt 6450 had an extreme spread of 0.82”.   A 10-shot group fired off the bench from my Heckler & Koch VP9 hand an extreme spread of 2.48”.  .... |
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Hi Molon,
Thanks as always for your excellent reviews! Would you happen to know if the Speer G2 currently available from LE distributors is different than the G2 that they sold 12 months ago? I read something somewhere about the bullet having been modified to allow better expansion. It seems like I have seen the old stuff, presumably manufactured one year ago, being sold retail in bags of 1,000 rounds for practice/training purposes. Thanks again, John |
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Originally Posted By ar15lizard:
Hi Molon, Thanks as always for your excellent reviews! Would you happen to know if the Speer G2 currently available from LE distributors is different than the G2 that they sold 12 months ago? I read something somewhere about the bullet having been modified to allow better expansion. It seems like I have seen the old stuff, presumably manufactured one year ago, being sold retail in bags of 1,000 rounds for practice/training purposes. Thanks again, John Speer recalled all the G2 rounds the FBI bought due to a manufacturing glitch which caused significant negative change in the terminal ballistics. As far as I know the new G2 round is not yet available to the public. The only way to really tell is the new G2 round come in a plain white box. |
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Originally Posted By ColtM4:
The only way to really tell is the new G2 round come in a plain white box. False. Look at the pictures I posted right above your post. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
False. Look at the pictures I posted right above your post. ... Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By ColtM4:
The only way to really tell is the new G2 round come in a plain white box. False. Look at the pictures I posted right above your post. ... That's IF you have an original version to compare it with. If you're in a store or show you may not have that comparison available. |
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Originally Posted By ColtM4:
That's IF you have an original version to compare it with. If you're in a store or show you may not have that comparison available. Originally Posted By ColtM4:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By ColtM4:
The only way to really tell is the new G2 round come in a plain white box. False. Look at the pictures I posted right above your post. ... That's IF you have an original version to compare it with. If you're in a store or show you may not have that comparison available. Here's the box that the new-production bullet pictured above came out of . . . 
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| I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... |
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? |
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Clear Ballistics gel is not the scientific standard for terminal ballistic testing and any results obtained using it are invalid. ... |
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Why would you test a round's performance with anything other than proper gel? |
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Originally Posted By GTRider245:
Why would you test a round's performance with anything other than proper gel? Originally Posted By GTRider245:
Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Why would you test a round's performance with anything other than proper gel? Ooohh my bad I didn't realize I was doing this for professional reasons... And not just for my self, Thanks for a schooling in the use of proper ballistic gel and proper ballistic gel usage... If my input don't help or hinders you, feel free to send me the proper materials I'll gladly take it..    
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Originally Posted By Molon: Clear Ballistics gel is not the scientific standard for terminal ballistic testing and any results obtained using it are invalid. ... Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By lyodbraun: Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By lyodbraun: I just tested some of the new stuff mine has head stamp with 15, they passed right thru my 18 inch gel block, only found one that I dug the polymer out of the tip,that expanded.... Don't think the others expanded the track in gel was straight and tiny no real looks of expansion... Did you use properly prepared and validated 10% ordnance gelatin? ... Nope don't use that any longer to expensive ... I use the clear ballistics gel, it's not the best but it works... Next time Itest the G2 I'll take two blocks,,so I can catch and recover the rounds... Which I think I'll be going out this Wenseday if weather is good ? Clear Ballistics gel is not the scientific standard for terminal ballistic testing and any results obtained using it are invalid. ... Any theories as to how it would make such a big difference? |
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Originally Posted By GSL:
So how can I tell from my 50 round boxes if what I have is crap or new and not possibly crap? Compare the ogives of what you have, to the pic I posted. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Compare the ogives of what you have, to the pic I posted. ... Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By GSL:
So how can I tell from my 50 round boxes if what I have is crap or new and not possibly crap? Compare the ogives of what you have, to the pic I posted. ... 
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Originally Posted By GSL:
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Originally Posted By GSL:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By GSL:
So how can I tell from my 50 round boxes if what I have is crap or new and not possibly crap? Compare the ogives of what you have, to the pic I posted. ... Oh good lord, I am not that young
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It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . .
9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr 
Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... That dime cannot possibly be to scale. |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... Where is he posting these days? |
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Originally Posted By Swstock:
Where is he posting these days? Originally Posted By Swstock:
Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... Where is he posting these days? Sadly, not here. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... Any idea what pistol or barrel length was used on this test? |
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Originally Posted By theblackcat:
Any idea what pistol or barrel length was used on this test? Originally Posted By theblackcat:
Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... Any idea what pistol or barrel length was used on this test? Glock 19 with OEM barrel. |
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Originally Posted By LV1976:
Glock 19 with OEM barrel. Originally Posted By LV1976:
Originally Posted By theblackcat:
Originally Posted By Molon:
It looks like Speer is getting the bugs worked-out of the 147 grain G2 Gold Dot. From Dr. G.K. Roberts . . . 9 mm Fed 147 gr HST 4LD: Pen = 15.5”, RD = 0.52”, RL = 0.53”, RW = 148.5 gr 9 mm Speer 147 gr G2 4LD: Pen = 17.4”, RD = 0.49”, RL = 0.45”, RW = 145.6 gr 9 mm Win 147 gr RA9B 4LD: Pen = 19.4”, RD = 0.46”, RL = 0.49”, RW = 146.6 gr https://app.box.com/shared/static/twsy1qvtelrn4w178bq6y88d2nfxv9od.jpg Recovered from 4LD--Top row is Speer 147 gr G2 PT, Far right is Fed 147 gr HST control round, Bottom row is Winchester 147 gr RA9B JHP ... Any idea what pistol or barrel length was used on this test? Glock 19 with OEM barrel. Thank you. |