

Posted: 3/30/2008 2:59:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: SGB]
This thread is for those of you who've undertaken the endeavor of building your own 1911. Please feel free to post pictures of your 1911 builds along with a description of your build experiance/ tools & referances used/ parts used & costs.
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"The 1911 was the design given by God to us through John M. Browning that represents the epitome of what a killing tool needs to be. It was true in 1911 and is true now."—Colonel Robert J. Coates, USMC
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Well, here she is. This is a DoubleStar frame with a "1911.45, Slide, Current Mfg." from Sarco. I've been working on it on and off for about a year (trying to save for a wedding.) So far I've got about $450 in it and I can see it going well into $800+. Started with a parts kit from Sarco, just to have cheap parts that I can ruin without worrying about it. I've slowly replaced a great deal of them with Wilson Combat parts, as I can afford them. Right now it's sporting a Wilson beavertail, MSH, ext. safety, sear spring, sear, disconnector, and mag. catch. All that really needs to be done before I can test fire is to fit a barrel, but I plan on doing every mod possible to this thing in order to gain the experience. I really want to bobtail it, but can't bring myself to buy the jig...may have to make it. Everything that I've worked on so far has been cold blued to protect it. When I'm nearing completion, I'm going to sand blast (frame and slide are park'ed) and do a home park job.
Without further ado...(as a side note, these pictures show the pistol in a barely assembled state...there are no internals installed) (the little basket to the left has all the small parts in it.) ![]() ![]() Thanks to the fact that I have access to some pretty serious machine tools, here's some tools I've made in the past year. Today I'm going to attempt to turn a regular mill file into a 25lpi checkering file. ![]() (Brown style beavertail jig, barrel holder, barrel alignment gage, and a hood length gage.) ![]() Lessons learned: It's not easy to make it perfect, but it isn't impossible either. I haven't fitted the barrel, but I think that it can be done by a non-gunsmith. That being said, I am a machinist. You will not, I repeat, will not save any money doing this (at least not the first time.) I'm in it for the experience only. However, now that I have a C&R license, parts are a lot cheaper from Brownells and MidwayUSA, so I highly suggest that you get one. It'll pay for itself the first time you make an order. Good luck and thanks for looking. -Jbot BTW, thanks for the arena, SGB. ![]() |
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Very nice guns.
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Saving my spot. I just ordered the parts. A big thanks to those of you who talked about becoming a "member" @ Brownell's. After the SHOT Show discount, I saved a substantial amount of money.
Frame & Slide Caspian carbon government 45ACP slide hand fit to carbon government model reciever w/ integral plunger tube. Caspian is cutting the beavertail and installing the ejector & grip screw bushings for me. -Ball radius cut. -Novak Lo-Mount Rear, Novak Front. -Extra Serrations. -Bevel Package. -Serrated round top. Guts -Kart N/R NM Barrel fitted to a Kart NM Bushing -Brown Extended tactical mag catch -Brown auto grip screws -Brown hardcore firing pin & FP stop -Brown hardcore extractor -Brown rebuild kit (pins, springs & small parts) -Brown memory groove grip safety -Brown recoil spring guide & plug -EGW ignition parts (hammer, sear, disco, sear spring) -STI extended thumb safety -Wilson Combat BP Slide stop -Wilson Combat match trigger (3 hole) -Wilson Combat hammer strut -Wilson Combat flat/20LPI checkered MSH -Wolff Recoil Spring; 16.5# -Novak Lo mount tritium sights green/green Completion The plan is for the gun to go off to Miller Custom once im done hacking. Heres the work that is planned: -Hard Chrome Finish -Fitted Davidson horned lizard grips -20-30 LPI front strap checkering -Undercut trigger guard -Ejection port lowered/flared -Heinie magwell installed |
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They look sweeeet! are you using a ramped barrel on the 9? |
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No, it is a regular Colt barrel and slide. They were one of those lucky E-Bay purchases I used to make from time to time.
With Winchester brass, a ramped barrel is not necessary. With the Starline, I haven't pushed it quite as hot, but it will still do pretty good. Factory Silvertips will do a little bit better than 1500 FPS. One of my favorite handloads will push the Hornady 147 XTP over 1300 FPS. Some have got it to 1400, but I am a little bit on the conservative side. If John M. Browning had it to do all over again, this is the 9mm the entire world would be carrying. Mauser came close, as did the 9mm Largo and Steyr. I really do hate that semi-rim on the .38 Super. ![]() |
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Nice.... who did the front strap and mainspring housing treatment? |
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I did them myself. Played around with some round stock and tried a few different patterns to see what I liked. I found that the S&A mainspring housing/magwell guides were sold smooth so that is what prompted me to five it a try over checkering, which I do very badly ![]() |
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I like it a lot. Definitely provides a lot of grip. The .22 came out even more aggressive and would probably be painful on a harder recoiling pistol. |
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Those look great!
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HELLO. sorry to ask a stupid question, im new in this site and first timer in guns. But what is that part called attached in front of the barrel??
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Barrel Bushing...
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Holy huge slide batman!!! ![]() They always cost more then planned but it's a great feeling being able to do the job yourself. |
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I started with an Essex Select receiver w/ rail, stainless Essex slide and a Sarco parts kit.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1776/whiteoutfj7.jpg http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9646/l493ac9a374482dee973dcdvl8.jpg The only thing out of the Sarco kit still on the gun is the barrel and bushing. There wasn't necessarily anything wrong with the Sarco stuff, I just went crazy ordering parts. http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7425/img7289cl8.jpg Ended up duracoating it in Matte Black... very happy with the results. http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6676/l5eccbad5f10eaf2e050833zc8.jpg http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9715/l42f1c45ca1e417fd97ef9dcl8.jpg I've only put about 500 rounds through it and I initially had some feed issues, but that turned out to be one of my mags. Been flawless since then. I have enough parts left over that I can pick up a cheap frame and slide and put another one together. That will probably happen this winter. |
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I have been thinking of doing this for a while now and the kits you chose seem to fit more or less what I had in mind (I considered caspian but for a 1st build it might be too pricey.) How much did it cost you to build and did you have to buy any tools? |
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Not a complete build, but certainly a "home" project so I want to post it up here.
Never let someone tell you "can't be done". ![]() www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=64807 |
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Originally Posted By SGB:
This thread is for those of you who've undertaken the endeavor of building your own 1911. Please feel free to post pictures of your 1911 builds along with a description of your build experiance/ tools & referances used/ parts used & costs. SGB I want to ask you a tech question. On the mainspring housing, I know some are flat some arched, is this just a preference or is there a tech reason for it? I read an older post where someone stated that for a period Kimber used a plastic housing & the guy said & I agree they sucked. I would guess they quit such a cheap, tacky pratice? I'm glad they quit before I purchased one Cause I dam sure don't want a plastic pistol unless it's one of my Glocks. |
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Preference. Some people find that they shoot better or are more comfortable with one or the other.
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Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.
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I like that big slide... maybe one day i'll give it a try... are the 5" ones hard to come by? I've seen them talked about but don't really see that many
Originally Posted By chuck1:
Originally Posted By Viper1357:
I've always had a fascination with building a 1911, but more specifically a longslide 1911. I knew about the AMT Hardballer, but just didn't trust the lower frame assembly, so I luckily found (searched GB for almost a year) a like new condition AMT longslide 1911 stainless slide and barrel assembly and set out to mate it to a SA 1911 GI stainless lower. There was a fair amount of fitting involved, and I replaced the SA internals with upgraded parts including an adjustable target trigger, speed hammer, sear and disconnector. Had to blend the back of the slide and frame as they did not match, (see below pics) but it turned out nice in the end. Also had some custom grips made, a custom made mid-length solid guide rod, and a fitted bbl bushing. It cost a bit more than I planned, but is a very reliable and accurate informal target shooter that gets it's share of looks at the range. I think it turned out nice for my first build. img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/1amt_sa_ls140.jpg img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/2_saamt_wrkarea149.jpg The slow blending of the back frame and slide (below) was the biggest challenge, but it turned out pretty nice. img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/3_saamt_1frmsld142.jpg img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/4_saamt_2frmsld146.jpg img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/7b_saamt_cmplt164.jpg img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/7c_saamt_cmplt168.jpg img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/viper1357/Guns%20stuff/SA%20AMT%20LS%20Project/7e_saamt_cmplt173.jpg Holy huge slide batman!!! ![]() They always cost more then planned but it's a great feeling being able to do the job yourself. |
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Originally Posted By angelbeast6:
Originally Posted By MisterFubar:
I started with an Essex Select receiver w/ rail, stainless Essex slide and a Sarco parts kit. img148.imageshack.us/img148/1776/whiteoutfj7.jpg img502.imageshack.us/img502/9646/l493ac9a374482dee973dcdvl8.jpg The only thing out of the Sarco kit still on the gun is the barrel and bushing. There wasn't necessarily anything wrong with the Sarco stuff, I just went crazy ordering parts. img167.imageshack.us/img167/7425/img7289cl8.jpg Ended up duracoating it in Matte Black... very happy with the results. img221.imageshack.us/img221/6676/l5eccbad5f10eaf2e050833zc8.jpg img87.imageshack.us/img87/9715/l42f1c45ca1e417fd97ef9dcl8.jpg I've only put about 500 rounds through it and I initially had some feed issues, but that turned out to be one of my mags. Been flawless since then. I have enough parts left over that I can pick up a cheap frame and slide and put another one together. That will probably happen this winter. I have been thinking of doing this for a while now and the kits you chose seem to fit more or less what I had in mind (I considered caspian but for a 1st build it might be too pricey.) How much did it cost you to build and did you have to buy any tools? Altogether I spent about 800, but that includes almost enough parts to build another one, and more than a few extras of a few parts when I was trying to decide what I liked. If I count just what is on the gun I ended up with I'd put the cost at about 500. I didn't buy any special tools for the project. A good set of jewelers files, a bench block, and a good assortment of sand paper was about all I needed. Don't let me discourage you from buying any of the special tools though, I'm sure I could have saved a lot of time had I bought some. |
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Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By MisterFubar:
Very nice. What kind of light is that?I started with an Essex Select receiver w/ rail, stainless Essex slide and a Sarco parts kit. Some cheap Insight M3 knockoff I got on ebay. I actually like it more than the real M3 I have. ![]() |
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ARe they in .45?
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Originally Posted By STEEL1212:
ARe they in .45? yes they are. |
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*placeholder til I host the pic*
This one I built for my wife so she'd leave mine alone. 1943 Remington Rand slide with old King's #102 hardball sights Caspian Classic frame, United States Property marking in WWI location at my order Storm Lake drop-in barrel and bushing set USGI trigger, hammer, slide stop, thumb safety, grip safety, and mainspring housing Pachmayr wraparound grips for a MEU-SOCish look Wolff 16 pound recoil spring, USGI spring guide with Wilson Shok-Buff Most pins, springs, and small parts either Wilson or Nighthawk from Brownells on my C&R. Fitting was very easy and a lot of dumb luck involved. The slide went onto the frame with just a few strokes of 600-grit. Barrel and bushing went right into the slide, then I went ahead and installed the recoil spring assembly so I went ahead and then just cycled the slide about 500 times while watching TV. I'd asked Caspian to do the ejector and plunger tube at the factory, but it didn't happen. Allen's Gun Shop over here on the west edge of Clarksville handled it for me. Chief Allen did both for twenty bucks since I had the parts. Well worth it for the extra classes on fitting and assembly I picked up in there. Internals went together with one issue. I was using a Wilson safety as a placeholder, and the gun refused to go together or function with it. The WWII safety arrived from a friend, and it went together and cycled flawlessly. The WWII parts recognized the interloper. Anyone who says sixty year old forged steel doesn't have little demons living in it doesn't work on on enough old guns. The test fire had multiple failures to feed. The feed ramp needed going over with 600-grit and an old wooden dowel from my buddy's dad's Camp Perry toolbox. The good news was it was insanely accurate when it actually worked. Whatever old shooter had filed that King's front sight was dead on for GI-spec ball at 25 yards. Nothing but 10's and X's. 200 rounds later, it still stovepipes ten percent of the time. I know I'm going to have to lower the ejection point just a tiny bit. It beats up the brass, too. I just don't want it to become a super-high round count pistol because I know the stainless steel barrel's locking lugs will eventually chew up the slide lugs. |
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Originally Posted By WiseguyThreeOne:
*placeholder til I host the pic* This one I built for my wife so she'd leave mine alone. 1943 Remington Rand slide with old King's #102 hardball sights Caspian Classic frame, United States Property marking in WWI location at my order Storm Lake drop-in barrel and bushing set USGI trigger, hammer, slide stop, thumb safety, grip safety, and mainspring housing Pachmayr wraparound grips for a MEU-SOCish look Wolff 16 pound recoil spring, USGI spring guide with Wilson Shok-Buff Most pins, springs, and small parts either Wilson or Nighthawk from Brownells on my C&R. Fitting was very easy and a lot of dumb luck involved. The slide went onto the frame with just a few strokes of 600-grit. Barrel and bushing went right into the slide, then I went ahead and installed the recoil spring assembly so I went ahead and then just cycled the slide about 500 times while watching TV. I'd asked Caspian to do the ejector and plunger tube at the factory, but it didn't happen. Allen's Gun Shop over here on the west edge of Clarksville handled it for me. Chief Allen did both for twenty bucks since I had the parts. Well worth it for the extra classes on fitting and assembly I picked up in there. Internals went together with one issue. I was using a Wilson safety as a placeholder, and the gun refused to go together or function with it. The WWII safety arrived from a friend, and it went together and cycled flawlessly. The WWII parts recognized the interloper. Anyone who says sixty year old forged steel doesn't have little demons living in it doesn't work on on enough old guns. The test fire had multiple failures to feed. The feed ramp needed going over with 600-grit and an old wooden dowel from my buddy's dad's Camp Perry toolbox. The good news was it was insanely accurate when it actually worked. Whatever old shooter had filed that King's front sight was dead on for GI-spec ball at 25 yards. Nothing but 10's and X's. 200 rounds later, it still stovepipes ten percent of the time. I know I'm going to have to lower the ejection point just a tiny bit. It beats up the brass, too. I just don't want it to become a super-high round count pistol because I know the stainless steel barrel's locking lugs will eventually chew up the slide lugs. *waits for pic* ![]() ![]() |
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