Pistols with RMR / mini red dots are awesome. The future is now (Page 33 of 74)
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Probably a 'tarded question, but I'm looking at putting my first red dot on a pistol (G19X) and was wondering if getting it milled for the modularity of the MOS system (with FCD plates) would be better as optics change, or if I should just get it milled for a RMR? Additionally, other than the problems inherent to TFO sights, is there anything I need to look at when deciding between a dual illuminated rmr or a type 2? I'm largely leaning toward the dual illuminated simply because winter weather here will make cold soaked battery powered optics inoperable in a hurry. Would have to store in the truck while I'm working, etc. Not purchasing or milling anytime soon, but wanting to start getting ducks in a row for it. Interesting question about the cold. I would think a 2032 coin cell - which is lithium - would hold up ok. However, the cold you experience in Ak is a legitimate issue. Perhaps some of our other Red dot brethren who live in frigid climate can weigh in. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Unless you want to go with the Agency AOS cut, I would get it direct milled for an RMR. Interesting question about the cold. I would think a 2032 coin cell - which is lithium - would hold up ok. However, the cold you experience in Ak is a legitimate issue. Perhaps some of our other Red dot brethren who live in frigid climate can weigh in. Originally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Probably a 'tarded question, but I'm looking at putting my first red dot on a pistol (G19X) and was wondering if getting it milled for the modularity of the MOS system (with FCD plates) would be better as optics change, or if I should just get it milled for a RMR? Additionally, other than the problems inherent to TFO sights, is there anything I need to look at when deciding between a dual illuminated rmr or a type 2? I'm largely leaning toward the dual illuminated simply because winter weather here will make cold soaked battery powered optics inoperable in a hurry. Would have to store in the truck while I'm working, etc. Not purchasing or milling anytime soon, but wanting to start getting ducks in a row for it. Interesting question about the cold. I would think a 2032 coin cell - which is lithium - would hold up ok. However, the cold you experience in Ak is a legitimate issue. Perhaps some of our other Red dot brethren who live in frigid climate can weigh in. If it's aiwb I bet it's pretty close to body temp |
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Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Do NOT go with the dual illum version unless you are in a place that has ample illumination 24/7 Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Probably a 'tarded question, but I'm looking at putting my first red dot on a pistol (G19X) and was wondering if getting it milled for the modularity of the MOS system (with FCD plates) would be better as optics change, or if I should just get it milled for a RMR? Additionally, other than the problems inherent to TFO sights, is there anything I need to look at when deciding between a dual illuminated rmr or a type 2? I'm largely leaning toward the dual illuminated simply because winter weather here will make cold soaked battery powered optics inoperable in a hurry. Would have to store in the truck while I'm working, etc. Not purchasing or milling anytime soon, but wanting to start getting ducks in a row for it. Do NOT go with the dual illum version unless you are in a place that has ample illumination 24/7 Correction: Do NOT go with the Dual illuminated version... PERIOD. In anything other then (and possibly including) bright sunlight, the reticle will be dim, washed out, and all but unusable. And I'd look into the Agency Arms AOS system if there is a significant chance you'll pick an optic other then a RMR, now... or in the near future. It gives you more options. |
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Correction: Do NOT go with the Dual illuminated version... PERIOD. In anything other then (and possibly including) bright sunlight, the reticle will be dim, washed out, and all but unusable. And I'd look into the Agency Arms AOS system if there is a significant chance you'll pick an optic other then a RMR, now... or in the near future. It gives you more options. Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Probably a 'tarded question, but I'm looking at putting my first red dot on a pistol (G19X) and was wondering if getting it milled for the modularity of the MOS system (with FCD plates) would be better as optics change, or if I should just get it milled for a RMR? Additionally, other than the problems inherent to TFO sights, is there anything I need to look at when deciding between a dual illuminated rmr or a type 2? I'm largely leaning toward the dual illuminated simply because winter weather here will make cold soaked battery powered optics inoperable in a hurry. Would have to store in the truck while I'm working, etc. Not purchasing or milling anytime soon, but wanting to start getting ducks in a row for it. Do NOT go with the dual illum version unless you are in a place that has ample illumination 24/7 Correction: Do NOT go with the Dual illuminated version... PERIOD. In anything other then (and possibly including) bright sunlight, the reticle will be dim, washed out, and all but unusable. And I'd look into the Agency Arms AOS system if there is a significant chance you'll pick an optic other then a RMR, now... or in the near future. It gives you more options. Meh, mines pretty good in all light you don't need a wml. It's on my wife's g19 so it's really just a range gun. Would make a good hunting optic too. |
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Correction: Do NOT go with the Dual illuminated version... PERIOD. In anything other then (and possibly including) bright sunlight, the reticle will be dim, washed out, and all but unusable. And I'd look into the Agency Arms AOS system if there is a significant chance you'll pick an optic other then a RMR, now... or in the near future. It gives you more options. My personal RMR is an RM06, but I didn't ever have any problems with illumintation on the dual illuminated RMR atop the SDO on the M27 I was issued. YMMV I suppose. |
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Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Do NOT go with the dual illum version unless you are in a place that has ample illumination 24/7 Crap. I was hoping it was similar to the Meprolight M21 that it would be dim but usable. Still beats nonfunctional after all. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Unless you want to go with the Agency AOS cut, I would get it direct milled for an RMR. Interesting question about the cold. I would think a 2032 coin cell - which is lithium - would hold up ok. However, the cold you experience in Ak is a legitimate issue. Perhaps some of our other Red dot brethren who live in frigid climate can weigh in. The AOS looks like a pretty awesome setup. I'll put some thought into it. I'm not planning on swapping optics, but new and better stuff does come out so future proofing is the thought. As for batteries, cold soaking they'd be pretty much dead after an hour or two, let alone a full day at work. Not sure what repeated heat/cold cycles would do to a battery though, but probably nothing good. Worst case, I'll just figure out a way to store it at work. Carrying on the clock is 100% out of the question unfortunately. |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Probably a 'tarded question, but I'm looking at putting my first red dot on a pistol (G19X) and was wondering if getting it milled for the modularity of the MOS system (with FCD plates) would be better as optics change, or if I should just get it milled for a RMR? Additionally, other than the problems inherent to TFO sights, is there anything I need to look at when deciding between a dual illuminated rmr or a type 2? I'm largely leaning toward the dual illuminated simply because winter weather here will make cold soaked battery powered optics inoperable in a hurry. Would have to store in the truck while I'm working, etc. Not purchasing or milling anytime soon, but wanting to start getting ducks in a row for it. might want to look into the Holosun 507c. I have mine on a 17 that lives, um, not in a holster. I took it to the range last week after living out there for a year. Saw the reticle no problem. Wanted to make it just a touch brighter and it wouldn't go. because the battery was 100% dead. I couldn't make it brighter but the solar was enough to work in the medium light of an indoor range. Nice knowing it will still work if I ignore it for more than a year at full brightness and work when needed. I changed the battery 
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I just picked up a 509T to put on my G34.4 but now I need a way to mount it. I've thought about getting it cut, but I really kinda want to keep the slide and swap over the internals. Since it should come with an RMR adapter plate What RMR slides are compatible with that plate? I'm not a huge fan of limiting myself to a single mounting setup and it seems a lot of RMR slides are cut for the zev mount. My other RDS guns are Glocks with ATOM mounts and an M17. |
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So far, I’ve been very impressed with this Burris FastFire 3. I picked it up for my MkII build at Academy for $180. It’s not built for hardcore use but it’s very clear, the dot is bright and the auto adjust feature works very well. It’s also got a transferable lifetime warranty. I think from now on, anything that doesn’t need an RMR is getting one of these. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By triburst1: So far, I've been very impressed with this Burris FastFire 3. I picked it up for my MkII build at Academy for $180. It's not built for hardcore use but it's very clear, the dot is bright and the auto adjust feature works very well. It's also got a transferable lifetime warranty. I think from now on, anything that doesn't need an RMR is getting one of these. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/34777/492687D2-BA53-4FB0-A82A-9AD2EBF43C4C_jpe-2000294.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/34777/CEE625A7-3F53-48BA-930E-C36B30AFC6E9_jpe-2000295.JPG It shattered when he knocked the slide off a table when cleaning the gun. Burris replaced it when when he told them it was his fault. clear window, housing disappears, auto adjust works really well, holds zero. just got to remember to turn it off, keep an extra battery in your bag, and don't drop it! |
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I got the gun and I've got the sight. Gonna order the slide cut on sale this weekend and send it to jagerwerks for an RMR cut. What sights should I order from them? Im going with the RMR cut and the OEM 509T plate as I own a couple RMRs and don't want to marry myself to the one optic choice. 
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It took a bit for me to fully switch to the dot but I’ve been carrying one for work exclusively for almost a year 30 years of shooting, competition, training schools and weekly practice had my iron sight skills pretty sharp 3-4 years back I got a G34 cut for a RMR type 1 at Jagerwerks It really is cheating Just set up this G34.5 MOS with 509T on a CHPWS plate This is the end of a couple dozen Defoor hat quals. Attached File |
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Added a new one to my collection, was happy to find the 365x ready for optic, I didn’t know they made that combo from the factory and was expecting to have to mix it up on my own Attached File |
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Originally Posted By wickedbeernut: I believe the point being made is there's zero gain if you change the battery on a regular basis. The Holosun yields 50,000 hours (almost six years) of battery life without shake-awake (granted, YMMV depending on your setting). That's plenty of battery life for me. I don't need the shake-awake (or the solar panels). The Holosun is a nice, high-value MRDS. Just offer one model without the gimmicks. Call it the SOCOM model or something. How about the 6 MOA model 407? |
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Another benefit to the dot... I have recently been shooting my previous carry gun for the first time in a few months. It's a Glock 19.3 with TruGlo Tritium Pro sights. Not only is my presentation better and I'm picking up the front sight quicker than ever, I can actually use the front sight more like a dot than ever before. Even before switching to a dot for carry, I haven't used a hard front sight focus in many years. However, after several thousand rounds of live fire and countless dry fires with the dot, I can even more effectively keep a target focus with the irons. I was able to quickly get A zone hits, target focused at 7, 10 and 15 yards using the bright front sight of the TruGlos the same way I use the dot. It's not as precise as the dot, but it works very well for me. Hopefully soon, I'll be able to try it out at 25 yards as well. Attached File |
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A question of etiquette... As i pass ..Do I give you the ass or the crotch..??
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Well I converted @PhilDNice to using red dots and he beat me in the June pistol match (but not by much!) Don't get comfortable, Phil. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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My first rmr, got it used. How do I tell if it's gen 1 or 2? Also i need to order new screws anyway, should i get a sealing plate at the same time? Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: My first rmr, got it used. How do I tell if it's gen 1 or 2? Also i need to order new screws anyway, should i get a sealing plate at the same time? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/408270/20210721_204716_jpg-2023614.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/408270/20210721_204724_jpg-2023617.JPG Sealing plate needed in most circumstances. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: My first rmr, got it used. How do I tell if it's gen 1 or 2? Also i need to order new screws anyway, should i get a sealing plate at the same time? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/408270/20210721_204716_jpg-2023614.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/408270/20210721_204724_jpg-2023617.JPG If using on MOS get the Forward Controls OPF-G and you wont need a sealing plate. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: That is a type 2. Sealing plate needed in most circumstances. Originally Posted By gotuonpaper: If using on MOS get the Forward Controls OPF-G and you wont need a sealing plate. I'm using a Faxon M&P Patriot slide. Is this sealing plate I want? |
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Originally Posted By TribunusSanGeorgii: I'm using a Faxon M&P Patriot slide. Is this sealing plate I want? |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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When I realized last night I had the wrong screws for the RMR I completely forgot I had a holosun laying around waiting for me to finish my P80. So the M&P will still get the Trijicon, but this will tide me over till the sealing plate and screws get here. And I can start some dry fire  Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Brawnydog: Broke down and put a 407k on my 365xl. https://i.ibb.co/1LVyvWm/PXL-20210524-215102847.jpg Which holster is that? I can’t find it on the Tulster website. |
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Originally Posted By PineappleDevil: Again, situation dependent and there infinite possibilities. Originally Posted By PineappleDevil: Originally Posted By Bradd_D: I'm genuinely curious about people's rationales for what they think and do. If the person was perceived to be a threat, why not shoot? If you draw, but don't shoot, what do you plan to do with the "bad guy" if he doesn't attack or leave? Again, situation dependent and there infinite possibilities. Find a local indoor range with a MILO simulator and book a few hours with an instructor. It's worth it. |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe: I don't care what kind of castle law you're hiding behind, you plug an old dude with dementia or a teenager without a gun and you're fucked. Give yourself every opportunity to not have to take a life unless it's necessary. Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Originally Posted By pokey074: Sound of breaking glass and a stranger in my home? Shoot them until I'm convinced they're no longer a threat, then call 911, tell them I've shot an intruder and I need an ambulance. I don't care what kind of castle law you're hiding behind, you plug an old dude with dementia or a teenager without a gun and you're fucked. Give yourself every opportunity to not have to take a life unless it's necessary. Your second sentence is absolutely correct. In MO, someone in your house in the middle of the night is going to meet Jesus and your biggest concern is going to be the mess. |
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Originally Posted By check-raiser: Thinking about the shield plus performance center 4". Anybody here have experience about red dot options or opinion of stock red dot? No red dot advice, but I have one of the 4” PC shields in 45 ACP. Awesome gun, it’s hard to believe how soft shooting it is for a small 45. |
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Originally Posted By Warhawk: No red dot advice, but I have one of the 4” PC shields in 45 ACP. Awesome gun, it’s hard to believe how soft shooting it is for a small 45. Thanks for the reply. The 45 model is enticing too. I'm looking at the newest 9mm M&P Shield Plus model with 4" barrel & optic cut performance center package. I hate to be limited in choices here, and there's a ported version and non port, and it's difficult choosing either. |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe: Should be the 407C, 507C, 508T. And the 509T comes with an RMR adapter plate as well. So the 507k is NOT an RMR pattern? |
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Originally Posted By Brawnydog: This is it brother, in coyote tan. The claw thing is called a sidekick. https://tulster.com/sig-sauer-p365xl-iwb-aiwb-kydex-holster-profile-holster-right-hand/ That one says across the bottom in red letters … NOT OPTIC COMPATIBLE. I’ll find something that’ll work. |
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Originally Posted By Warhawk: That one says across the bottom in red letters … NOT OPTIC COMPATIBLE. I’ll find something that’ll work. I wouldn't put much stock in their description. I bought the holster as is, and when I got my red dot I just cut out a place for it. Works perfectly as you can see. |
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There’s no doubt I’m a red dot guy. I’ve been shooting them on handguns since 2013….been in this thread since 2019. I certainly see the benefit of red dots. I’ve always been an RMR with either a milled slide, or the FCD plate, when they came out, type guy. I’m posting this here, because maybe someone in here has had the same problem. A few months ago I got a G48, with the thought of maybe it replacing my tried and true G19. I picked up a Holosun for it. My first and only Holosun. For the life of me I can’t get it to remain secure to the mount! Initially I used a CHWPS plate and mounted it. I found after getting a few rounds down range the sight would slightly move counterclockwise. I said screw it, and direct mounted it to the slide after removing the rear studs and lowering the front studs. To top it off the M4x0.7 screws started getting boogered up. So I went on a pretty unsuccessful search for the the proper screws ( McMaster Carr, Fastenal, etc….no luck) I settled on some Phillips head screws of the proper pitch….it looks like ass…. Same problem after direct mounting. The sight would rotate slightly counterclockwise. Yes, I used either blue Loctite or Vibratite every time. It seems the sight would begin to rotate counterclockwise after a hundred rounds or so. I have misses on a 15 yard half IPSC. Completely unsatisfactory. ( Earlier in this thread I posted a video of consistent sub 3 second hits in a 90 yard IPSC. ) I’m about ready to put the cover plate back on G48MOS and have my regular G48’s slide milled. Has anyone else had this problem? The offender in question: Attached File |
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