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4/10/2020 1:29:49 PM EDT
[#1]
I've hiked mountains in my rainbow assault mandals.
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/11/2020 11:06:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Ok, well I'm admittedly too lazy to read through 12 pages of this thread.

Who is the go to for an rmr cut for a Smith m&p 1.0?

It's a vtac model.

TIA.
"If you want to pray, pray before the fight, or pray after the fight. But when you are in the fight, you fight."
MSgt. Paul Howe (ret.)
4/11/2020 11:28:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Ok, well I'm admittedly too lazy to read through 12 pages of this thread.

Who is the go to for an rmr cut for a Smith m&p 1.0?

It's a vtac model.

TIA.
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4/11/2020 4:17:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
Haven't shot in a few weeks. Not the fastest guy but I'm consistent.  Distance is 17 Y.

Piece of cake with RMR. We threw some
movement in later on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVQSBKrzA4s
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Makes me rethink fucking with guys in sandals...Good shooting!
4/11/2020 6:42:19 PM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Ok, well I'm admittedly too lazy to read through 12 pages of this thread.

Who is the go to for an rmr cut for a Smith m&p 1.0?

It's a vtac model.

TIA.
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I'd go ATEI for mp
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/11/2020 9:21:14 PM EDT
[#6]
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


Shooting with an optic == better shooter?

Interesting.

I never knew that equipment gave you skill. I always assumed it was the other way around.
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It absolutely improves your shooting. Why do you think competition guys, cool guys, and even cops are switching over? Because it makes them slower/worse?  

And we won’t even get into low light or other non perfect conditions. Way better shooting results with an optic. It’s not even an argument.

4/11/2020 11:00:16 PM EDT
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Just got this today. Hate bragging about a China optic but honestly the features blow away the RMR. Warranty does, too. Looking forward to getting it zeroed

Cut from Black Phoenix Customs. They had a cut and nitride finish Sale in March for like $80. Ridiculous. Added the tall sights and was at like $135 shipped. Hope can you say no to that
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Gun control is like trying to eliminate drunk driving by making it illegal for sober people to own cars
4/11/2020 11:33:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
Just got this today. Hate bragging about a China optic but honestly the features blow away the RMR. Warranty does, too. Looking forward to getting it zeroed

Cut from Black Phoenix Customs. They had a cut and nitride finish Sale in March for like $80. Ridiculous. Added the tall sights and was at like $135 shipped. Hope can you say no to that
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Nice. Holosun makes good shit. Thinking about putting their new 507k on my 43x.
I like my Glocks like I like my women; 19, hard bodied, and in my pants. - NY_Shooter

NorCal Callsign: Hooligan
4/12/2020 10:02:19 AM EDT
[#9]
The Holosun is a great optic but that warranty statement is 100% false. They are nowhere near Trijicon in the warranty department.


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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
Just got this today. Hate bragging about a China optic but honestly the features blow away the RMR. Warranty does, too. Looking forward to getting it zeroed

Cut from Black Phoenix Customs. They had a cut and nitride finish Sale in March for like $80. Ridiculous. Added the tall sights and was at like $135 shipped. Hope can you say no to that
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/263586/20200411_215553_jpg-1363312.JPG


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4/12/2020 12:45:00 PM EDT
[#10]
Man I'm ready to take the micro red dot plunge.

The only problem is there are no good options.

The holosun looks decent but I made a vow to avoid Chinese products whenever possible because fuck China.

That leaves the Trijicon but I can't stand the blue tint. I really want a trijicon with clearer glass. I guess I'll keep waiting...
4/12/2020 12:56:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Man I'm ready to take the micro red dot plunge.

The only problem is there are no good options.

The holosun looks decent but I made a vow to avoid Chinese products whenever possible because fuck China.

That leaves the Trijicon but I can't stand the blue tint. I really want a trijicon with clearer glass. I guess I'll keep waiting...
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I finally decided to get an RMR after the Type 2 came out.   I think the blue tint is considerably less than something like the dual-illuminated older RMRs.

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4/12/2020 1:04:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Man I'm ready to take the micro red dot plunge.

The only problem is there are no good options.

The holosun looks decent but I made a vow to avoid Chinese products whenever possible because fuck China.

That leaves the Trijicon but I can't stand the blue tint. I really want a trijicon with clearer glass. I guess I'll keep waiting...
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When you start shooting on a timer it all gets tuned out.

RMR type 2
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/12/2020 1:21:52 PM EDT
[#13]
Ok I have to admit I don't think I've ever looked through the type 2. I will check it out.
4/12/2020 2:52:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuryakyn:
The Holosun is a great optic but that warranty statement is 100% false. They are nowhere near Trijicon in the warranty department.



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10 years on the electronics for Holosun. I think the Trijicon is 3? Maybe I'm wrong but I swear that's what I found when looking a few months ago.  Trijicon may take care of you beyond that but side by side on paper I think Holosun wins
Gun control is like trying to eliminate drunk driving by making it illegal for sober people to own cars
4/12/2020 2:58:46 PM EDT
[#15]
The RMR type 2 and Holosun 400/500 series are duty grade per Sage Dynamics testing. They both use the same footprint as well.

I prefer the RMR but been very impressed handling my friends holosuns.
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/12/2020 3:01:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Ok I have to admit I don't think I've ever looked through the type 2. I will check it out.
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The Type 2 has tint as well but when you're actually shooting on a timer - you don't notice it.
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/12/2020 3:10:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Does anyone have any ideas for an low optic set up and holster for a ruger mark ii 6 7/8" .
4/12/2020 3:14:08 PM EDT
[#18]
What's everyone using for holsters? Prefer Safariland with level 1 thumb retention. Currently using the 7378 but that won't work anymore
Gun control is like trying to eliminate drunk driving by making it illegal for sober people to own cars
4/12/2020 3:45:46 PM EDT
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@joemal

Tenicor
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/12/2020 4:17:43 PM EDT
[#20]
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
What's everyone using for holsters? Prefer Safariland with level 1 thumb retention. Currently using the 7378 but that won't work anymore
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For glocks? Are you looking for a Safariland ALS retention system?

6390RDS. There's also 7TS version of it called the 7390RDS.
Please, call me Joe

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4/12/2020 6:08:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

For glocks? Are you looking for a Safariland ALS retention system?

6390RDS. There's also 7TS version of it called the 7390RDS.
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Perfect thank you. Yes Glock 45. I like the ALS

ETA good Lord why are RDS holsters so much more expensive? My current safariland was like $30
Gun control is like trying to eliminate drunk driving by making it illegal for sober people to own cars
4/12/2020 7:38:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
The Type 2 has tint as well but when you're actually shooting on a timer - you don't notice it.
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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Ok I have to admit I don't think I've ever looked through the type 2. I will check it out.
The Type 2 has tint as well but when you're actually shooting on a timer - you don't notice it.

+1

The tint isn’t really a factor when shooting, because your focus is more on the target.
4/12/2020 8:23:50 PM EDT
[#23]
And for anyone that hates the tint, it's there for a reason. That tint helps you see the dot and prolong battery life. The Trijicon MRO also has the same tint.
4/12/2020 8:27:28 PM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By JoeMal:
Perfect thank you. Yes Glock 45. I like the ALS

ETA good Lord why are RDS holsters so much more expensive? My current safariland was like $30
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They're in line with the duty /military series holsters price wise.

They're also in major demand with massive back orders.
Please, call me Joe

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4/13/2020 10:57:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AIWB:


Way better shooting results with an optic.
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Words mean things.

Shooter is not the same as shooting.
"People don't think Cola Warrior be like it is but it do..." - George Washington
4/13/2020 11:56:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:


Words mean things.

Shooter is not the same as shooting.
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@bcauz3y

It made me a better shooter.

However - It didn't give me skill, it forced me to be better (notably in presentation and trigger control).

When I pick up an irons gun now, I'm significantly better than I used to be.  This is common among red dot converts.
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/14/2020 6:57:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SBR300BLK][Edited] [#27]
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
Man I'm ready to take the micro red dot plunge.

The only problem is there are no good options.

The holosun looks decent but I made a vow to avoid Chinese products whenever possible because fuck China.

That leaves the Trijicon but I can't stand the blue tint. I really want a trijicon with clearer glass. I guess I'll keep waiting...
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There's a brand that makes pistol red dots in England of all places, they look pretty nice but can't recall the name. With you on avoiding chinesium on duty weapons if possible.

ETA: Shield Sights.  Expensive but look nice, oem for some trijicon models apparently.
https://www.shieldpsd.com/
All red dots made in Great Britain per their website Q and A.

Anyone have experience with this brand?
4/14/2020 7:48:00 AM EDT
[#28]
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Originally Posted By SBR300BLK:

There's a brand that makes pistol red dots in England of all places, they look pretty nice but can't recall the name. With you on avoiding chinesium on duty weapons if possible.

ETA: Shield Sights.  Expensive but look nice, oem for some trijicon models apparently.
https://www.shieldpsd.com/
All red dots made in Great Britain per their website Q and A.

Anyone have experience with this brand?
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By all accounts they're pretty fragile. Aaron Cowan did some testing and they didn't fair well.
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4/14/2020 9:47:34 AM EDT
[#29]
I've got an SMSc, 1200+ rds, carried 7 days a week 10-15 hrs a day
for about 90 days so far and has held zero since day one shot weekly.
I dont expect it would hold up real well if it was bounced
across the parking lot but, I'm happy with it until something
better becomes available.
4/16/2020 5:36:14 PM EDT
[#30]
I took this out and zero'd it in today.
Really like it.

4/17/2020 5:15:45 AM EDT
[#31]
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

By all accounts they're pretty fragile. Aaron Cowan did some testing and they didn't fair well.
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By SBR300BLK:

There's a brand that makes pistol red dots in England of all places, they look pretty nice but can't recall the name. With you on avoiding chinesium on duty weapons if possible.

ETA: Shield Sights.  Expensive but look nice, oem for some trijicon models apparently.
https://www.shieldpsd.com/
All red dots made in Great Britain per their website Q and A.

Anyone have experience with this brand?

By all accounts they're pretty fragile. Aaron Cowan did some testing and they didn't fair well.



The Brits aren't known for their abilities with anything electric.


Picked up an M18 yesterday. Going to put another RMR on it via the Bobro engineering RMR plate. I am also going to delete the manual safety and install an Apex enhanced trigger kit because for some reason this M18 has the worst P320 trigger I've ever felt.

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4/17/2020 6:05:07 PM EDT
[#32]
I am a recent convert. Havent shot it yet, but too much dry fire. I apparently have a slight astigmatism, but it doesnt bother me too much, especially if I'm not looking for it. I need more RMR.

Sometimes all you need are some opposable thumbs, a set of balls and a total lack of give a fuck. - 3rdpig
4/20/2020 3:18:47 PM EDT
[#33]
https://imgur.com/gallery/g6KQCDK
First foray into the 2011 world, red dot and 1911 trigger are peak performance
4/20/2020 3:49:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hburn21:
https://imgur.com/gallery/g6KQCDK
First foray into the 2011 world, red dot and 1911 trigger are peak performance
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Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/20/2020 4:27:10 PM EDT
[#35]
Appreciate ot
4/20/2020 4:27:50 PM EDT
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Appreciate it bud
4/20/2020 4:56:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Pizza with red dots.  




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4/20/2020 5:29:19 PM EDT
[#38]
RMR on a gun is a game changer.
Have done two of my Glocks and the G20 is next.



"Be not ye afraid of them: remember the LORD, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses." Nehemiah 4:14
4/20/2020 5:41:13 PM EDT
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Niccceeeeeee.

I used to have an Elite II (thanks counter strike). Im imagining a dot on that bad boy
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
4/26/2020 9:01:58 PM EDT
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I should try one of these..

whats the cheapest slide for a gen 4 glock 17?
I don't really want to cut mine up until I test out the waters

figure I can get a cheap slide to accept an rmr and sell if it doesn't work out.
4/26/2020 9:36:00 PM EDT
[#41]
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Originally Posted By triple6:
I should try one of these..

whats the cheapest slide for a gen 4 glock 17?
I don't really want to cut mine up until I test out the waters

figure I can get a cheap slide to accept an rmr and sell if it doesn't work out.
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just get a dovetail mount if you want to kick the tires
4/27/2020 12:26:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Thanks
Looks like I could try the dovetail mounts  for around $100 or so
4/27/2020 2:29:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By triple6:
Thanks
Looks like I could try the dovetail mounts  for around $100 or so
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You can get a cut for that or a small amount more. Just go for it
Gun control is like trying to eliminate drunk driving by making it illegal for sober people to own cars
4/27/2020 8:06:06 PM EDT
[#44]
haha
I only am going to dip one toe into the water first
so dovetail or I'll build up a cheap slide and then sell off if I like it
4/27/2020 8:26:11 PM EDT
[#45]
It's always interesting to see the resistance to red dots on pistols. Were people like this with rifles?
4/27/2020 9:25:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Can't remember if I posted these.

Duty gun, gen4 Glock 31.


new off duty gun, Glock 45
4/28/2020 8:20:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Keep in mind that you'll be learning a new skill without the aid of co-witness sights.  I found that with a quick presentation, the gun was pointed exactly where it needed to be, but my head was in the wrong position.  I heard one instructor say that it's not necessarily better or worse, just different, and you need to train with it.  It's taken awhile, but I'm finally getting it down. I used the Outerimpact mount for my M&P pro.  Nice thing about that one is that it accepts multiple sight footptints.
4/30/2020 11:47:37 PM EDT
[#48]
I am in still the testing phase, I have a DDP on a Sig M17. Right now, I am still too slow on the first target, but am getting faster on follow up shots. I'm torn on what I think right now.  I do love a red dot on my shoulder fired weapons, so there is that.
5/1/2020 5:46:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By harpua:
I am in still the testing phase, I have a DDP on a Sig M17. Right now, I am still too slow on the first target, but am getting faster on follow up shots. I'm torn on what I think right now.  I do love a red dot on my shoulder fired weapons, so there is that.
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One thing that helped me, was as soon as the gun clears the holster, drop your elbow bringing the pistol horizontal. While extending the pistol out and focusing on your target, you will see the front sight in your peripheral vision. As you’re extending your arm(s) the dot will come into your vision.

One thing a red dot sight did, was really clean up my draw.
5/1/2020 3:43:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By joglee:
It's always interesting to see the resistance to red dots on pistols. Were people like this with rifles?
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Yes. What's old is new again

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