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12/7/2024 2:45:57 AM EDT
[#1]
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Originally Posted By DOG556:
How many max rounds do you DWX owners have through your guns?

With the CZ TS2 after a few hundred rounds you will get some malfunctions because of the extremely tight tolerances.

Can the dwx go a thousand or more rounds before cleaning and still function.
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I’m pretty awful about cleaning mine, spray it down and wipe it off after a few thousand and you’ll be more than fine. It’s been a good 9k since i did a detail clean, but do generally spray some g96 through the ejection port and wipe the outside off with a rag on occasion when I start noticing my hands getting covered in carbon from handling it.

When the chips are down the buffalo's empty
12/7/2024 7:43:28 AM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By BisonWorld:


I’m pretty awful about cleaning mine, spray it down and wipe it off after a few thousand and you’ll be more than fine. It’s been a good 9k since i did a detail clean, but do generally spray some g96 through the ejection port and wipe the outside off with a rag on occasion when I start noticing my hands getting covered in carbon from handling it.

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So you don’t take the slide off and do a quick cleaning? You just spray it down and wipe?
12/7/2024 11:21:07 AM EDT
[#3]
The trigger pull on my gun is 4.5 lbs out of the box.  I ordered EGW ignition kit :)  lets the shenanigans begin....  SRO cut is next.  This gun is going to become a $3k build very soon :)
IDF, A.A. 215, "Scorpion" Company. 1993-1996
12/10/2024 10:26:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Anyone able to get their trigger down to a 2lb break?
12/25/2024 2:40:47 AM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By DOG556:
How many max rounds do you DWX owners have through your guns?

With the CZ TS2 after a few hundred rounds you will get some malfunctions because of the extremely tight tolerances.

Can the dwx go a thousand or more rounds before cleaning and still function.
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Never had a single malfunction after about ~1500 rounds through the ts2 I had. Out of all that I only took the slide off of it once to put a couple of dabs of grease on the frame rails so I can’t say i agree with this statement
12/25/2024 11:10:40 AM EDT
[#6]
I agree, the CZ platform can have some reset issues with too dirty or the trigger adjustment screw self adjusts.  Otherwise runs like a fine watch...


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12/30/2024 11:36:22 PM EDT
[#7]
For those with DWX's and 2011's, can you talk about how they compare?

Also, with the DWX being all metal, do you feel the shock impulse / vibration of firing through the dustcover and grip? This was an issue with my old CZ75, felt harsher then a Glock despite the increased weight, due to the vibration of the shock impulse traveling through the metal frame (like hitting a baseball funny with an aluminum bat)
12/30/2024 11:42:12 PM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By dogtired:
I agree, the CZ platform can have some reset issues with too dirty or the trigger adjustment screw self adjusts.  Otherwise runs like a fine watch...
https://i.postimg.cc/jdLP0Z0J/IMG-9018.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RhP2cNGQ/IMG_1749.jpg
(proof of life)
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What grips are those?
1/1/2025 9:00:44 AM EDT
[#9]
LOK on both.
1/1/2025 1:19:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Am I understanding correctly, that to install a magwell, you need new grips And extended base plates for all your mags? Geez
1/1/2025 3:25:46 PM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
Am I understanding correctly, that to install a magwell, you need new grips And extended base plates for all your mags? Geez
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All the magwells I'm aware of need some of the grip surface to attach. The stock grip panels don't allow this.

I have LOK grips and a LOK magwell. The factory metal base plates don't work with it. I was able to fit CZ P10f plastic base plates after some dremel work for a cheaper solution. Those will eventually get replaced with extended base plates.

If you're building this out for USPSA limited or limited optics you'll want extended base plates anyway, and a magwell doesn't hurt either.
1/1/2025 3:45:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj:

All the magwells I'm aware of need some of the grip surface to attach. The stock grip panels don't allow this.

I have LOK grips and a LOK magwell. The factory metal base plates don't work with it. I was able to fit CZ P10f plastic base plates after some dremel work for a cheaper solution. Those will eventually get replaced with extended base plates.

If you're building this out for USPSA limited or limited optics you'll want extended base plates anyway, and a magwell doesn't hurt either.
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Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj:
Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
Am I understanding correctly, that to install a magwell, you need new grips And extended base plates for all your mags? Geez

All the magwells I'm aware of need some of the grip surface to attach. The stock grip panels don't allow this.

I have LOK grips and a LOK magwell. The factory metal base plates don't work with it. I was able to fit CZ P10f plastic base plates after some dremel work for a cheaper solution. Those will eventually get replaced with extended base plates.

If you're building this out for USPSA limited or limited optics you'll want extended base plates anyway, and a magwell doesn't hurt either.


Yeah exactly. I'm thinking of limited optics. I don't wanna hijack the thread, but maybe this will be helpful to others as well.

Anyone who has the advice and cheat code for the gear setup for this, it would be much appreciated. Especially what legal mag extensions to get with a magwell. It seems the stock mags with factory baseplate are close to 5.5" already.

I've been shooting my carry guns with my actual CCW gear in CO division previously, so I pretty much need everything except the pistol to get set up. Belt, holster, mag holders If anyone feels inclined to share what's worked for them here, or via PM, that would be appreciated. Otherwise I'll just do the research and look it up.

@45-Seventy is a DWX and USPSA ninja who may have some helpful input here.
1/1/2025 3:51:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dogtired][Edited] [#13]
The CZ large frame magwells fit and you can trim a stock grip panel to fit easily if you want to do it on the cheap.  I have some CZ 75 rubber ones I can offer you.

If you have the P10 mags with the plastic extension, you just need to sand the top edge of the plastic too make enough bevel for them to work.  The Henning P10 mag extensions work great and with a new spring and follower you can get 24 in the mag.

Really for USPSA LO you will only need to change mags once, so a magwell is optional... (but it is nice)
1/1/2025 6:03:45 PM EDT
[#14]
1/1/2025 6:59:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Missilegeek][Edited] [#15]
Weird dupe.
1/25/2025 1:44:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sigifrith][Edited] [#16]
I woke up this morning never thinking I'd buy a DWX.  While looking thru my normal morning websites I found one that has been worked on.
Called and it was still available.  Optics ready!  Reasonable price. Bought it on the spot.  Tomorrow is my birthday, so looking forward to having this in hand next week.
It will slot into place with my Dan Wesson revolvers.

lilMAC25 I love the wood on your gun.  Went to the site and found something that will match up with my Revolvers, so very excited about this!
Just checked, and I'm a 3 1/2 drive from LS Grips!!  That means Buc-ee's coming and going.

Out to my shop tomorrow to hunt for CZ mags that may still be around from my flirtation with the P-10F.
I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
1/25/2025 3:17:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Looked all over for the old mags, but no luck.
Ordered 2 and the 24 round bits.  
Now to start studying what’s new in the Optics world.  I know a giant TV screen is
What I’ll need.  Any opinions welcomed.
I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
1/25/2025 6:38:31 PM EDT
[#18]
Still in the experimental stage, but I put the guts from a Sig XMacro mag into my DWXc mag and was able to fit 17rds.  The Sig follower doesn't work and the CZ follower doesn't fit the Sig springs.  But that's a small obstacle. I should have working 17rd DWXc mags shortly, I'll document the process and post it when I do.
1/25/2025 8:22:54 PM EDT
[#19]
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Originally Posted By November5:
Still in the experimental stage, but I put the guts from a Sig XMacro mag into my DWXc mag and was able to fit 17rds.  The Sig follower doesn't work and the CZ follower doesn't fit the Sig springs.  But that's a small obstacle. I should have working 17rd DWXc mags shortly, I'll document the process and post it when I do.
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Yeah, the mec-gar follower and spring geometry is pretty conservative on the 75 mags. If you swap to a grams spring and follower you can occasionally get 18 (non-reloadable) in the 15 round bodies (though you also need to get creative with the baseplate lock) 17 will work with the standard lock.
When the chips are down the buffalo's empty
1/26/2025 2:18:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samal][Edited] [#20]
everything is ready, except the optics cut!

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1/26/2025 4:41:39 PM EDT
[#21]


The C&H plate design and screws are definitely superior to some of the other options.

Only thing left to do is try to lighten up the trigger a bit.
1/27/2025 1:56:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sigifrith][Edited] [#22]
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Grips ordered. I chose much darker than I originally intended.

https://i.imgur.com/dBmSeaj.jpeg

I asked for the DWX logo to be laser engraved (and color filled black if possible) in the same area and roughly the same size as the OEM grips, except I want one logo on each side. I’m planning on finding some fancy but subtle screws to jazz it up even more. Any brand suggestions?

I like the Altamont Nova engraved screws the best out of what I’ve found so far.
https://i.imgur.com/RQgtZvy.jpeg

This may be out, as I took my CZ screw from an SP01T out and tried them in the DWX and they worked fine. When I put the DWX screws in the CZ they also worked fine. I’ll need to get some 1911 grip screws to confirm but it seems that my DWX uses CZ screws despite being a relatively early S/N.

Also, I should receive my holster this Tuesday!
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I like these Nova screws too and have been overthinking it.  Remembered I have several 1911's, so they are bound to fit something.  
Ordered them and hope the DWX and all the extras arrive this week.
I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
1/27/2025 9:34:40 PM EDT
[#23]
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Originally Posted By Canman2004:
Anyone able to get their trigger down to a 2lb break?
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I have mine a 2 lb 3 oz.  I don't want to go any lighter.
1/29/2025 12:35:47 AM EDT
[#24]
Got an email that my slide is ready and shipped back - ETA day after tomorrow.  The sent a teaser picture

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2/1/2025 8:03:04 PM EDT
[#25]
and, assembled, zeroed in, all the gear present... let's run and gun!Attached File



IDF, A.A. 215, "Scorpion" Company. 1993-1996
2/4/2025 12:39:41 AM EDT
[#26]
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Originally Posted By Samal:
and, assembled, zeroed in, all the gear present... let's run and gun!https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277406/20250201_180000_jpg-3451488.JPG


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Looks good.  Have you shot it yet?  Any issues with brass hitting the SRO?
Range Panda makes a sunshade for the SRO.  I have one on order.  It may help with early morning/late evening issues when facing into the sun.
Sun shade
I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
2/4/2025 1:24:18 AM EDT
[#27]
I shot 300 rounds so far with the SRO - no signs of any hits on the optic and no malfunctions of any kind
IDF, A.A. 215, "Scorpion" Company. 1993-1996
2/4/2025 6:04:56 PM EDT
[#28]
I'd hoped my DWX would be here today.  Bad news, they couldn't find the iron sight plate so ordered a new one for me.
We had a nice chat and I'm getting a free black trigger too.
My Black line Spalted Maple grips should be here tomorrow.  They are from the same maker as lilMAC25's.
Just need my gun and a sunny day.
I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
2/6/2025 8:51:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Grips are in the house!  I should have my DWX by the end of next week.
Tom Petty was right, Waiting is the hardest part.

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I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
3/3/2025 6:14:10 PM EDT
[#30]
It's here!!  15 - 30 MPH winds today on the hill, so only 25 rounds downrange.  Looks like Friday will be the first warm day to shoot.
I'll try to mount the SRO over the weekend.  Black line Spalted Maple grips from lsgrips.

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I've often said that Democrats are the only reason to vote for republicans.
Thomas Sowell
3/4/2025 11:08:52 PM EDT
[#31]
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Originally Posted By Sigifrith:
It's here!!  15 - 30 MPH winds today on the hill, so only 25 rounds downrange.  Looks like Friday will be the first warm day to shoot.
I'll try to mount the SRO over the weekend.  Black line Spalted Maple grips from lsgrips.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2115/IMG_6284_jpeg-3480341.JPG
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Beautiful and unique setup.
5/3/2025 9:23:19 AM EDT
[#32]
Thinking about picking up a DXW.  This is some info I have gathered:

DWX full size - CZ P10F 19 rnd mags

Grip Screws - Full Size
-Prior to serial number X2302050 = 1911-threaded screws
-After X2302050 = CZ-threaded screws

*Some frames shortly before or after X2302050 may still use 1911-threads. It is best to identify your OEM screws prior to ordering

Grip Options
Lok, Cool Hand, VZ, Hennings


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Do have a couple questions -

Grips - have read both CZ75 and Shadow 2 grips work, and have read only Shadow 2 grips work.  Which is correct?

Is there a left / single side / non ambi safety available?  Have seen some indicate there is, but no source or part number.
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5/3/2025 12:19:51 PM EDT
[#33]
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Originally Posted By 0100010:
Thinking about picking up a DXW.  This is some info I have gathered:

DWX full size - CZ P10F 19 rnd mags

Grip Screws - Full Size
-Prior to serial number X2302050 = 1911-threaded screws
-After X2302050 = CZ-threaded screws

*Some frames shortly before or after X2302050 may still use 1911-threads. It is best to identify your OEM screws prior to ordering

Grip Options
Lok, Cool Hand, VZ, Hennings


//

Do have a couple questions -

Grips - have read both CZ75 and Shadow 2 grips work, and have read only Shadow 2 grips work.  Which is correct?

Is there a left / single side / non ambi safety available?  Have seen some indicate there is, but no source or part number.
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So grips- the rear grip blend line at the 18 degree parallel section is identical to the standard 75 position (the shadow 2 drives this section out further) the top of the grip slot transition is left un-notched like a shadow 2 however and the slope transitioning from backstrap/parallel section to the beaver tail undercut is more like the shadow 2 style (a straight line angle with small radius transition) rather than the 75 which transitions into the undercut through a large gradual radius and very short straight line angle right before the undercut.

That’s a whole lot to say, generally the radius transition at the perpendicular cross section of the mainspring housing will appear smoother with a better blend if using standard 75 series grips. However because the top of the grip slot is unnotched, some older grip designs for the 75 series that used the notch to wrap around the transition of frame to grip may look a little off at the top.  We worked directly with Henning for the dwx grips to combine the feature sets for the production grips so they are a little different than his older shadow 2 grips.

The factory CZ shadow 2 thin aluminum grips are a bit long however in my opinion and the transition to the mainspring housing/back strap is a bit abrupt. Couldn’t say how well other manufacturer shadow 2 grips blend at the rear. But the side profile of the LOK’s I’ve seen look good.

Notch on 75 frames mentioned:
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Example of an older 75 series grip that uses the notch to wrap around/cover the transition to the frame:
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Shadow 2 without notch for comparison:
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Ultimately either style will fit, it’s mostly personal preference.

The CZ parts store stocks a single sided version of the standard safety. https://shop.cz-usa.com/dwx0037.html

Unsure if there are other aftermarket options.
When the chips are down the buffalo's empty
5/3/2025 5:52:54 PM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By BisonWorld:


So grips- the rear grip blend line at the 18 degree parallel section is identical to the standard 75 position (the shadow 2 drives this section out further) the top of the grip slot transition is left un-notched like a shadow 2 however and the slope transitioning from backstrap/parallel section to the beaver tail undercut is more like the shadow 2 style (a straight line angle with small radius transition) rather than the 75 which transitions into the undercut through a large gradual radius and very short straight line angle right before the undercut.

That’s a whole lot to say, generally the radius transition at the perpendicular cross section of the mainspring housing will appear smoother with a better blend if using standard 75 series grips. However because the top of the grip slot is unnotched, some older grip designs for the 75 series that used the notch to wrap around the transition of frame to grip may look a little off at the top.  We worked directly with Henning for the dwx grips to combine the feature sets for the production grips so they are a little different than his older shadow 2 grips.

The factory CZ shadow 2 thin aluminum grips are a bit long however in my opinion and the transition to the mainspring housing/back strap is a bit abrupt. Couldn’t say how well other manufacturer shadow 2 grips blend at the rear. But the side profile of the LOK’s I’ve seen look good.

Notch on 75 frames mentioned:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/299270/IMG_7725_Copy_jpeg-3532078.JPG

Example of an older 75 series grip that uses the notch to wrap around/cover the transition to the frame:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/299270/IMG_7724_Copy_jpeg-3532084.JPG

Shadow 2 without notch for comparison:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/299270/IMG_7727_Copy_jpeg-3532080.JPG


Ultimately either style will fit, it’s mostly personal preference.

The CZ parts store stocks a single sided version of the standard safety. https://shop.cz-usa.com/dwx0037.html

Unsure if there are other aftermarket options.
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Thank you!
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5/31/2025 4:50:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Decided that I like the factory grips better than the Lok. Still need a magwell for USPSA, so it's angle grinder or nothing.



Anyone else having their optic come loose every 1,000 rounds or so? Not the greatest optic mounting system for me, so far.
6/8/2025 9:38:56 PM EDT
[#36]
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
Decided that I like the factory grips better than the Lok. Still need a magwell for USPSA, so it's angle grinder or nothing.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576591/IMG_7283-3553197.jpg

Anyone else having their optic come loose every 1,000 rounds or so? Not the greatest optic mounting system for me, so far.
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What are you using on the screws?  I've had great luck with Vibra-tite VC3.  Can't think of any optics coming loose since I started using it, ~5 years ago.
6/8/2025 9:56:28 PM EDT
[#37]
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Originally Posted By superdrag67:


What are you using on the screws?  I've had great luck with Vibra-tite VC3.  Can't think of any optics coming loose since I started using it, ~5 years ago.
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
Decided that I like the factory grips better than the Lok. Still need a magwell for USPSA, so it's angle grinder or nothing.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/576591/IMG_7283-3553197.jpg

Anyone else having their optic come loose every 1,000 rounds or so? Not the greatest optic mounting system for me, so far.


What are you using on the screws?  I've had great luck with Vibra-tite VC3.  Can't think of any optics coming loose since I started using it, ~5 years ago.


You are using the red 'non removable' stuff? Yeah I imagine that works. LOL

I've just been using regular blue loctite as per all the instructions. No issues with other pistols. Some for several thousand rounds. I might have to give that Vibra tight 121 a try on the DWX, the next time those wimpy little screws back out. Plenty of the reviews on the vibra say they've had better luck than with loc tite brand. If that doesn't work, I may just say screw it and put some of the heavier duty red stuff.
6/9/2025 10:49:32 AM EDT
[#38]
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6/16/2025 11:27:01 PM EDT
[#39]
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:


You are using the red 'non removable' stuff? Yeah I imagine that works. LOL

I've just been using regular blue loctite as per all the instructions. No issues with other pistols. Some for several thousand rounds. I might have to give that Vibra tight 121 a try on the DWX, the next time those wimpy little screws back out. Plenty of the reviews on the vibra say they've had better luck than with loc tite brand. If that doesn't work, I may just say screw it and put some of the heavier duty red stuff.
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@Missilegeek

I'm not sure which type that is.  I've only used the VC-3, which is red but it doesn't harden.  It always stays kinda gummy(ish) so it's super easy to remove at any time.  If you buy some, make sure you store it either double ziplock bagged or in some type of airtight container so it doesn't dry up and become useless after using it one or two times.  (i've always bought the little tubes and the caps don't seem to seal that well)

https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/plastic-compatible/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/
6/27/2025 2:50:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Final form - for now. Full size DWX, cut by Primary Machine for a Holosun 507 Comp. Armory Craft Magwell, Henning basepads pads and guts, Lok palm swell Bogies.


6/28/2025 6:05:48 PM EDT
[#41]
One more question.

The stock DWX ambi safety, the right side paddle has a keyway / notch to interface with the hammer pin, which has a groove on the end of it for such.

Is there a hammer pin that is shorter, does not have that groove on the end?

Or, just pickup a extra hammer pin to grind down?
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6/28/2025 6:10:25 PM EDT
[#42]
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Originally Posted By 0100010:
One more question.

The stock DWX ambi safety, the right side paddle has a keyway / notch to interface with the hammer pin, which has a groove on the end of it for such.

Is there a hammer pin that is shorter, does not have that groove on the end?

Or, just pickup an extra hammer pin to grind down?
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Standard 1911 hammer pin
6/28/2025 10:11:07 PM EDT
[#43]
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Originally Posted By November5:
Standard 1911 hammer pin
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Awesome.  Does Henning make the stock grips?
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6/28/2025 10:25:19 PM EDT
[#44]
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Awesome.  Does Henning make the stock grips?
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Originally Posted By November5:
Standard 1911 hammer pin


Awesome.  Does Henning make the stock grips?
They do, as well as the baseplates.  The safeties are EGW, but they aren't quite standard 1911.  You can fit a 1911 safety to the DWX, but you'll have to remove a ton of material from the pad.
6/28/2025 10:45:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Got my DWX last month, just got it back today from having the thumb rest and a spacer installed. I like it a lot, wish the thumb safeties were wider/longer like on my other gamer guns.

Vortex Defender XL, TS Magwell, LOK grips (reused the DWX grip screws), W74 tungsten guide rod with OEM spring, 8 mags with Henning extensions, MBX springs and followers.

I've only got a couple hundred rounds through it so far.

6/30/2025 9:25:45 PM EDT
[#46]
For a RMR optics plate, does Cajun Gun Works version have the most rearward positioning?
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7/5/2025 1:15:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Different grips, black trigger which took quite a bit of fitting.  Do have the single sided safety in hand, but will tackle fitting that later.

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7/13/2025 12:13:45 PM EDT
[#48]
Replacement EGW 1911 hammer pin and EGW made for DWX single sided safety fitted.

Can see the finish wear from the stock ambi right side lever, from only a couple hundred rounds.



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7/13/2025 9:46:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Missilegeek][Edited] [#49]
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Originally Posted By 0100010:
Replacement EGW 1911 hammer pin and EGW made for DWX single sided safety fitted.

Can see the finish wear from the stock ambi right side lever, from only a couple hundred rounds.

https://i.postimg.cc/2yw21jwD/20250713-111010.jpg

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I'm with you on getting rid of the ambi safety. For me, it's easy to bump the safety with a high grip, especially on the trigger side of the gun. Caused a few malfunctions and bungled a stage badly doing this today.

I just ordered the non amby safety. How much trouble was it to get that to fit?
7/13/2025 9:56:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Joedirt199][Edited] [#50]
What's with the $500 jump these things have taken? Was seeing them in the $1500 range not that long ago and now close to and over $2k.

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