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12/15/2019 5:37:07 PM EDT


Test Gun: Sig P229, Kahr Mk9.
Barrel length: 3.9, 3 inches.
Ammunition: Liberty’s 9mm +P 50gr Civil Defense
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph G2.
Five shot velocity average: 2026fps Sig
Gel Temperature 70 degrees.

Following on the heels of the .357 Civil Defense, I tried the 9mm version of it. This bullet appears to be the same as the .357 loading but in this case with a little more velocity. More then likely the velocity difference is to do to the barrel length difference.

From the Sig P229, I got an average 5 shot velocity of 2026fps with a high of 2041 and a low of 2008fps. The point of aim point of impact was much better than with the .357.



The first round out of the Sig P229 had a velocity of 2052fps. Fragments were recovered from the 3.5 to 5.5-inch range. The bullet core penetrated to 10.25 inches and had a recovered weight of 27 grains. The weight of the recovered fragments was 17.9 grains. The second round’s velocity was 2040fps and the bullet fragmented at 3.5 to 4.5 inches. The bullets core was recovered at 11.75 inches and weighed 29 grains. The recovered fragment’s weight was 22 grains.



When shooting through heavy clothing the first round hit the block at 2043fps. The bullet’s fragmentation started at 2.5 inches and continued to the 4-inch mark. The bullet core penetrated to 11.75 inches and had a recovered weight of 29.3 grains. The recovered fragment’s weight was 16.6 grains. The second round had a velocity of 2058fps and the core penetrated to 10.25 inches. Fragmentation was 3.5 to 4.5 inches. The total weight of the fragments was 17.9 grains and the core was 27 grains.



When fired through the Kahr MK9 the first round had a velocity of 1890fps and began fragmenting at 3.25 inches and continued to 4.5 inches. The core penetrated to 10.5 inches and had a recovered weight of 29.5 grains. The second round’s velocity was 1870fps and its fragmentation was 3.5 to 4 inches. The total weight of the fragments was 22.2 grains. The core penetrated to 11.25 inches and its weight was 27.3 grains.





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12/15/2019 6:05:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Wow.
12/15/2019 6:31:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M16A4][Edited] [#2]
I'd be curious what the velocity would be out of an 8" AR9 barrel or something similar.....also I wonder if it would defeat soft armor.
12/15/2019 6:34:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Yes, WOW. I bet that stuff can really make melons explode!

I'm not sure if that is good performance for an SD load. I'd like closer to 15" pen.
12/15/2019 6:37:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Looks like most of the super light, fast pistol loadings. Nasty looking, very shallow wound that doesn't really do much from a terminal performance standpoint.
12/15/2019 6:40:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Gimmick
12/15/2019 6:54:32 PM EDT
[#6]
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Originally Posted By Stiles1410:
Gimmick
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Unless it defeats 3a I agree. Anyone got some rated kevlar panels and clay to toss to OP for testing?
12/15/2019 7:05:34 PM EDT
[#7]
I'd call that round the "Widow Maker"
12/15/2019 7:12:54 PM EDT
[#8]
Yes this round is able defeat soft armor plenty of those videos on the YouTube...
12/15/2019 7:15:24 PM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Yes this round is able defeat soft armor plenty of those videos on the YouTube...
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Sweet, off to find some of said videos.
12/15/2019 7:16:21 PM EDT
[#10]
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Originally Posted By lyodbraun:
Yes this round is able defeat soft armor plenty of those videos on the YouTube...
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Yep, seen a couple of them, it will defeat 3a but I don't think it had a strike/trauma plate in it.
I do not have a license to kill, but I do have a learner's permit.
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
12/15/2019 7:49:00 PM EDT
[#11]
I have some IIIA and will give it a try. I know the .40 won't do it so I didn't give this stuff a try.
12/15/2019 10:48:08 PM EDT
[#12]
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Originally Posted By tktm2001:
I'd call that round the "Widow Maker"
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I'd call it gimmicky crap, but that's me.
If you're good at something, never do it for free.
12/15/2019 11:41:22 PM EDT
[#13]
Good review.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton
12/16/2019 1:57:13 AM EDT
[#14]
CD in 9mm will hit 2500 fps from a 16" barrel. As far as armor goes, introduce any type of UHMWPE material, and the speed won't help:

Stopping Ultra Fast 9mm Rounds? Veteran's MFG Ultralight IIIA+

AR500 Armor IIIA Hybrid will stop it from a pistol barrel, but couldn't from a EVO 3:

@ArmoredRepublic2 Level IIIA Hybrid Armor. Advanced Threat Protection
12/16/2019 11:10:39 AM EDT
[#15]
Id actually like to try that on varmints
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
12/16/2019 12:46:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy:

I'd call it gimmicky crap, but that's me.
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Its for the same reason people used to call .38's "Widow Maker's", because the guys that use this ammo will end up leaving their wives as widows.
12/16/2019 6:29:42 PM EDT
[#17]
I shot the last two rounds in a level IIIA vest and nither one passed. Both were stopped in the third layer.





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