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Originally Posted By backbencher: That's a Lipsey's exclusive. Hoping to order one Sunday. I know you will enjoy this pistol. (Of course, I will). They're light, hold 10+1, and are supremely accurate. (It is, after all, a .32). Good luck, and God's blessings, my good man. |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: I know you will enjoy this pistol. (Of course, I will). They're light, hold 10+1, and are supremely accurate. (It is, after all, a .32). Good luck, and God's blessings, my good man. Originally Posted By CaptainO: Originally Posted By backbencher: That's a Lipsey's exclusive. Hoping to order one Sunday. I know you will enjoy this pistol. (Of course, I will). They're light, hold 10+1, and are supremely accurate. (It is, after all, a .32). Good luck, and God's blessings, my good man. If I get one, there's only 7 left. But I won't enjoy it at all, it's for my customers. I already have a Kel-Tec .32. My interest is according to YouTube, they run the same magazines as the .380s, which I already stock for the Rock Island clone. So I could have 3 pistols by two different manufacturers in two different calibers on the same table, and only have to stock one MecGar magazine. |
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Not sure of the model # but I have for years owned the beretta tilt barrel in 22short. The caliber puts it at the very bottom of the self defense pile but it is nicely made gun and a whole lot of fun at the range . The tilt barrel is a great feature . I own the little Ruger , a colt mustang and a star all in 380 . About once a year the plate shoot guys at my club run a "mouse gun" plate match and it has been great fun |
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Well, my Bersa Thunder .32 has arrived at the "fun store". (Shades of James Bond). The light, alloy-frame, .32 ACP is calling for me to have my martini shaken... not stirred. That's a JOKE, people! (I don't drink alcohol). I'm looking forward to taking this out for its first run. 10 rounds in the magazine... no waiting. |
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The Thunder 32: Bersa’s Best Kept Secret By Travis Pike • April 15, 2026 • 4 Comments • 6 minutes of reading • Gun Review, Handguns I don’t keep it a secret that I adore the .32 ACP round. I’m part of a cult called the One True Caliber, and that caliber is .32. I’m such a fan that it makes me largely dislike .380 or at least the guns manufacturers insist on shoving .380 ACP into. Finding still-in-production .32 ACP pistols is tough, so Bersa’s on again, off again Thunder 32 is one of the more attractive options. Let’s run down the current modern .32 market. We have the KelTec P32, which is an affordable pocket pistol that’s surprisingly nice. We have the Seecamp, which is a little pricier, but still mostly fantastic. The .32 ACP offers some advantages over the .380 ACP (Travis Pike For SNW) Beretta has the 30X, which is fun, but too big for pocket carry and still offers only pocket-pistol performance. The 80X in .32 ACP from LTT is brilliant, but pricey. Walther gave us a few PP and PPKs in .32 ACP, but again…pricey. The Bersa Thunder 32 Then we have the Bersa Thunder 32. It’s a Walther clone, more or less. It’s not a direct, one-for-one copy of any particular Walther. It’s a hair bigger than the PPK, but shorter than the PP. It tends to be wider than both, mainly because the grips are a bit wider. It doesn’t take down the same way. Instead of pulling the trigger guard, there’s a take-down lever. It’s Walther-like, but different. (Travis Pike For SNW) The Thunder series has long been .380 ACP guns, but they’ve made some .32 ACP variants in the past and Bersa has brought the Thunder 32 back (and no, it isn’t on their web site). Whether it’s one of those guns they do in limited runs or one where they’ll keep it in standard production is yet to be seen. However, Bersa was happy to send me one to test and review. Direct Blowback and Recoil Much like the Walther series, these are straight blowback-operated guns with a fixed barrel that doubles as a recoil spring guide rod. This setup keeps things trim and slim, making them easy and comfortable to carry. The problem with straight blowback, however, is the increased recoil you get over something like a Browning short recoil operation. Slide-mounted safeties are never my favorites. (Travis Pike For SNW) Shoving a round like .380 ACP into a lightweight, compact, blowback-operated firearm means you get a fairly harsh recoil impulse. It’s why I generally hate shooting Walthers chambered in .380. Bersa has long used wider grips to help better dissipate some of that felt recoil, and while that works, a much better idea is using the .32 ACP cartridge. The smaller round generates about 50% less felt recoil than the .380 ACP cartridge. It’s not as big, but with the right projectile selection, it can penetrate beyond the 12-inch standard through ballistic gel. I think most pocket pistols and blowback .380s would be much better guns if chambered in .32 ACP. The Bersa Thunder 32: A Little Less Than Standard The Bersa Thunder 32 doesn’t stray from the .380 design in terms of size and weight. They’re basically identical guns with different barrels and, I assume, a lighter recoil spring. I say that because the Thunder 32 is super easy to rack. Easier than my Thunder 380. Oddly enough, the gun comes with an extended ten-round magazine. That makes the grip a fair bit longer. This is an odd choice I can’t quite explain. Yes, ten rounds are better than eight, but this gun is built for concealed carry, so you would think size would be a priority. Luckily, the .380 mags work and are easy to find. (Travis Pike For SNW) Finding dedicated Thunder 32 magazines that are smaller seems to be a tough proposition, so I figured I’d grab my .380 ACP magazine and see if it works. Guess what? It did. You can fit nine .32 ACPs in the eight-round .380 ACP magazines, but with nine rounds loaded, it won’t load with the slide closed. Load eight rounds of .32 ACP in the eight-round .380 magazine and it runs without a problem. I put nearly 200 rounds through the eight-round magazine without a problem. Bersa Ergonomics The Thunder 32 has the same wide plastic grips that feel quite comfortable in the hand. The grips are nice and simple with a bit of texturing, but not a lot. There’s a fairly long beavertail that makes it easy to grip the gun nice and high. The slide-mounted safety doubles as a de-cocker. I’m not a fan of any slide-mounted safety/de-cocker combo. On a DA/SA pistol, it feels like overkill, so when I carry this gun, it will be hammer down, safety off. I appreciate the take-down lever of the Bersa designs. (Travis Pike For SNW) The magazine release is positioned a bit high, right underneath the slide release. It’s a bit awkward, but with practice, I got decently fast with magazine changes. The ten-round mags falls out freely, but the 8-rounder needed some encouragement at times. My pinky tended to pin it in the gun, meaning I had to adopt a “tea drinking” grip to get it to drop free. The slide lock delivers a nice ledge that makes it easy to hit, however I rarely had to use it. Oftentimes, forcefully throwing the magazine would drop the slide and load a round. Ringing Steel Shooting a gun this big that’s chambered in .32 ACP is downright charming. It’s very pleasant to shoot and shoots fast. It’s not quite rimfire soft, but it’s dang close. It is soft enough to make shooting all ten rounds possible in less than three seconds, putting every one of them into an IPSC-sized A-zone at seven yards from the low ready. It’s just charming to shoot. (Travis Pike For SNW) It’s easy to blast through the entire magazine without the gun straying off target…much easier to shoot with a single hand as well. Overall, I think .32 ACP is a much better option for a direct blowback-operated gun than .380 ACP. The sights are the small, three-dot style. They’re fixed, simple, and effective. The POI/POA is a hair off. My groups, when benched, are hitting just ever so slightly to the right. Not enough to matter, and when the gun isn’t benched, I don’t shoot well enough to notice. Reloading is a little awkward at first. (Travis Pike For SNW) The gun shoots decent-sized groups. Offhand, at 15 yards, I could keep my shots inside a 3×5 card. It’s so pleasant to shoot that you will not find yourself dreading the next shot after a long day at the range. Yes, I’d carry this thing. (Travis Pike For SNW) I used Aguila and PMC .32 ACP ammo, both of which were 71-grain loads. I shot nine boxes without a malfunction and would have no problem recommending the Thunder 32 for concealed carry and would recommend it before the Thunder 380 at this point. Pretty Pretty Please I really hope this gun succeeds, that it sells well, and that Bersa continues to develop their .32 ACP lineup. They don’t seem to be shy about making plenty of Thunder 380s in various configurations. Personally, I want to see the Thunder 32 Combat Plus with a double-stack magazine. This gun is a blast to shoot. (Travis Pike For SNW) For now, I’m quite happy to get a .32 ACP compact firearm at a reasonable price. It’s the only .32 ACP in this size range that won’t cost you nearly a grand. It’s a rock-solid little gun, and now I find myself on the hunt for a holster so I can pack this thing day-in and day-out. |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: The Thunder 32: Bersa’s Best Kept Secret By Travis Pike • April 15, 2026 • 4 Comments • 6 minutes of reading • Gun Review, Handguns I don’t keep it a secret that I adore the .32 ACP round. I’m part of a cult called the One True Caliber, and that caliber is .32. I’m such a fan that it makes me largely dislike .380 or at least the guns manufacturers insist on shoving .380 ACP into. Finding still-in-production .32 ACP pistols is tough, so Bersa’s on again, off again Thunder 32 is one of the more attractive options. Let’s run down the current modern .32 market. We have the KelTec P32, which is an affordable pocket pistol that’s surprisingly nice. We have the Seecamp, which is a little pricier, but still mostly fantastic. The .32 ACP offers some advantages over the .380 ACP (Travis Pike For SNW) Beretta has the 30X, which is fun, but too big for pocket carry and still offers only pocket-pistol performance. The 80X in .32 ACP from LTT is brilliant, but pricey. Walther gave us a few PP and PPKs in .32 ACP, but again…pricey. The Bersa Thunder 32 Then we have the Bersa Thunder 32. It’s a Walther clone, more or less. It’s not a direct, one-for-one copy of any particular Walther. It’s a hair bigger than the PPK, but shorter than the PP. It tends to be wider than both, mainly because the grips are a bit wider. It doesn’t take down the same way. Instead of pulling the trigger guard, there’s a take-down lever. It’s Walther-like, but different. (Travis Pike For SNW) The Thunder series has long been .380 ACP guns, but they’ve made some .32 ACP variants in the past and Bersa has brought the Thunder 32 back (and no, it isn’t on their web site). Whether it’s one of those guns they do in limited runs or one where they’ll keep it in standard production is yet to be seen. However, Bersa was happy to send me one to test and review. Direct Blowback and Recoil Much like the Walther series, these are straight blowback-operated guns with a fixed barrel that doubles as a recoil spring guide rod. This setup keeps things trim and slim, making them easy and comfortable to carry. The problem with straight blowback, however, is the increased recoil you get over something like a Browning short recoil operation. Slide-mounted safeties are never my favorites. (Travis Pike For SNW) Shoving a round like .380 ACP into a lightweight, compact, blowback-operated firearm means you get a fairly harsh recoil impulse. It’s why I generally hate shooting Walthers chambered in .380. Bersa has long used wider grips to help better dissipate some of that felt recoil, and while that works, a much better idea is using the .32 ACP cartridge. The smaller round generates about 50% less felt recoil than the .380 ACP cartridge. It’s not as big, but with the right projectile selection, it can penetrate beyond the 12-inch standard through ballistic gel. I think most pocket pistols and blowback .380s would be much better guns if chambered in .32 ACP. The Bersa Thunder 32: A Little Less Than Standard The Bersa Thunder 32 doesn’t stray from the .380 design in terms of size and weight. They’re basically identical guns with different barrels and, I assume, a lighter recoil spring. I say that because the Thunder 32 is super easy to rack. Easier than my Thunder 380. Oddly enough, the gun comes with an extended ten-round magazine. That makes the grip a fair bit longer. This is an odd choice I can’t quite explain. Yes, ten rounds are better than eight, but this gun is built for concealed carry, so you would think size would be a priority. Luckily, the .380 mags work and are easy to find. (Travis Pike For SNW) Finding dedicated Thunder 32 magazines that are smaller seems to be a tough proposition, so I figured I’d grab my .380 ACP magazine and see if it works. Guess what? It did. You can fit nine .32 ACPs in the eight-round .380 ACP magazines, but with nine rounds loaded, it won’t load with the slide closed. Load eight rounds of .32 ACP in the eight-round .380 magazine and it runs without a problem. I put nearly 200 rounds through the eight-round magazine without a problem. Bersa Ergonomics The Thunder 32 has the same wide plastic grips that feel quite comfortable in the hand. The grips are nice and simple with a bit of texturing, but not a lot. There’s a fairly long beavertail that makes it easy to grip the gun nice and high. The slide-mounted safety doubles as a de-cocker. I’m not a fan of any slide-mounted safety/de-cocker combo. On a DA/SA pistol, it feels like overkill, so when I carry this gun, it will be hammer down, safety off. I appreciate the take-down lever of the Bersa designs. (Travis Pike For SNW) The magazine release is positioned a bit high, right underneath the slide release. It’s a bit awkward, but with practice, I got decently fast with magazine changes. The ten-round mags falls out freely, but the 8-rounder needed some encouragement at times. My pinky tended to pin it in the gun, meaning I had to adopt a “tea drinking” grip to get it to drop free. The slide lock delivers a nice ledge that makes it easy to hit, however I rarely had to use it. Oftentimes, forcefully throwing the magazine would drop the slide and load a round. Ringing Steel Shooting a gun this big that’s chambered in .32 ACP is downright charming. It’s very pleasant to shoot and shoots fast. It’s not quite rimfire soft, but it’s dang close. It is soft enough to make shooting all ten rounds possible in less than three seconds, putting every one of them into an IPSC-sized A-zone at seven yards from the low ready. It’s just charming to shoot. (Travis Pike For SNW) It’s easy to blast through the entire magazine without the gun straying off target…much easier to shoot with a single hand as well. Overall, I think .32 ACP is a much better option for a direct blowback-operated gun than .380 ACP. The sights are the small, three-dot style. They’re fixed, simple, and effective. The POI/POA is a hair off. My groups, when benched, are hitting just ever so slightly to the right. Not enough to matter, and when the gun isn’t benched, I don’t shoot well enough to notice. Reloading is a little awkward at first. (Travis Pike For SNW) The gun shoots decent-sized groups. Offhand, at 15 yards, I could keep my shots inside a 3×5 card. It’s so pleasant to shoot that you will not find yourself dreading the next shot after a long day at the range. Yes, I’d carry this thing. (Travis Pike For SNW) I used Aguila and PMC .32 ACP ammo, both of which were 71-grain loads. I shot nine boxes without a malfunction and would have no problem recommending the Thunder 32 for concealed carry and would recommend it before the Thunder 380 at this point. Pretty Pretty Please I really hope this gun succeeds, that it sells well, and that Bersa continues to develop their .32 ACP lineup. They don’t seem to be shy about making plenty of Thunder 380s in various configurations. Personally, I want to see the Thunder 32 Combat Plus with a double-stack magazine. This gun is a blast to shoot. (Travis Pike For SNW) For now, I’m quite happy to get a .32 ACP compact firearm at a reasonable price. It’s the only .32 ACP in this size range that won’t cost you nearly a grand. It’s a rock-solid little gun, and now I find myself on the hunt for a holster so I can pack this thing day-in and day-out. Yes, I was disappointed that Lipsey's sold out before I could order one. Hopefully they'll get some more in. |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: Do you want to own this, or order one for a client? I am a .32 shooter. Are you? Originally Posted By CaptainO: Originally Posted By backbencher: Yes, I was disappointed that Lipsey's sold out before I could order one. Hopefully they'll get some more in. Do you want to own this, or order one for a client? I am a .32 shooter. Are you? My pajama gun is a P32. I'm an FFL, I'm wanting to stock the new Bersa. |
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Looking a t Luckygunner's results, IDK if 32 S&WL or even 32 H&R mag really beats a 32ACP out of a 2" barrel. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/ I may be misguided by emotion over a 32 mag LCR |
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Originally Posted By MRW: Looking a t Luckygunner's results, IDK if 32 S&WL or even 32 H&R mag really beats a 32ACP out of a 2" barrel. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/ I may be misguided by emotion over a 32 mag LCR As long as you're not trying to get expansion, any of the 3 w/ FMJ/LRN will penetrate deeply enough even out of short barrels. .380 ACP, short barrel .32 H&R & .38 Special & below you have a portable spear that is going to poke a pencil sized hole through a miscreant. The Lucky Gunner tests are a guide, but remember they're all in clear gel & the 12" FBI standard is in calibrated organic ballistics gel. I think we have viable non-expanding ammo in everything from .22 LR w/ Federal Punch up through .380 ACP w/ FMJ, then when we step up to 4" barrels in .32 H&R & .38 Special, or in short barrels in .30 Super Carry, 9x19mm, .327 & .357 Magnums we now have expanding ammo that will penetrate deeply. |
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| I can carry 10+1 in my Bersa Thunder .32 in a shoulder holster and 6+1 in my Kel-Tec P32. I'd be willing to gamble that most miscreants (not under the influence of mind-altering substances) would continue a determined charge into a hail of 73-grain FMJ bullets. |
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but then that won't be a mousegun due to size |
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Originally Posted By MRW: My loaded P32 weighs 10 oz, is smaller than a deck of cards, carries 7+1 rounds, and offers and immediate reload option. Fiocchi 73 gr FMJ, which is what I carry, gives me good penetration at 839 fps. My Charter in 32 Long is 18 oz, has a much fatter profile, only carries 6 rounds, and is difficult by comparison to reload. Magtech 98 gr JHP, which is also what's in it right now, gives me less penetration and 737 fps. Between those two, the 32 auto wins. An LCR running 32 mag still has about the same weight and profile of the Charter revolver, but might give me ammo with some expansion. I'm now skeptical if it's worth it. https://i.imgur.com/SYOaz2k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M1CwzxA.jpg I also have a P32, and Fiocchi runs beautifully. Run wadcutters, not JHP in your Charter, and then you have a much more reliable coat pocket gun than the P32. Yes, the P32 may get off more than one shot from the pocket, but you're gonna burn your hand, and if it does grab your pocket lining you're gonna have a time drawing it and clearing the jam. The Ruger in .327 puts you well into 9mm performance. .32 H&R from a short barrel isn't all that better than .32 Long. |
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The 3.5" barrel on the Bersa Thunder .32 has enough runway to get decent penetration. The 73-grain Fiocchi "blue box" seems sufficiently potent. Penetration is key for the .32 ACP to do its job. At 20.2 ounces, it is light enough for daily carry. (It may be about 22.2-23.2 ounces loaded.) "10+1 shots quick" - this is reminiscent of the old Savage advertisement of 1907. Works for me! |
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365 replacing my 442 Pro for pocket carry. 11 rds/18 oz vs 5 rds/15 oz Attached File |
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Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: Any one here have a new production Seecamp 32? Kinda want a super small auto. I pocket carry 38s,357 & 380s all the time. The Seecamp feels like a brick compared to the P-32, I have had failure to chamber, with the Seecamp, rather ammo picky. |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: Is this a mouse gun? (Hint, it is my new Bersa Thunder .32). https://governorsgunclub.com/wp-content/uploads/81008320161000fc.webp It's the cat's whiskers!
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Originally Posted By cdnstffrdva: in the right lighting I could watch a .25 acp go down range when I was younger I used to do that with 7.62 NATO Click the links ![]() Minigun at dusk ![]() Night shoot minigun |
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I took out the Bersa Thunder .32 and my Kel Tec P11. The Bersa is a natural shooter, as one shooter said, the recoil is "charming". I enjoy shooting this pistol, and I see it as easier to get on target than even a Bersa Thunder .380. It is, in my humble opinion, perfect. |
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I have an Astra 200 25 auto, a clone of Colt Browning vest pocket, its actually well made and shoots reliably. I have shot it out to 100 yds, just to see if I can hit anything and with practice you can lob in a round to hit a target at 100. It might bounce off of something you hit, but you can hit stuff with a mouse gun on occasion. They are just cute and fun. |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I have an Astra 200 25 auto, a clone of Colt Browning vest pocket, its actually well made and shoots reliably. I have shot it out to 100 yds, just to see if I can hit anything and with practice you can lob in a round to hit a target at 100. It might bounce off of something you hit, but you can hit stuff with a mouse gun on occasion. They are just cute and fun. |
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Last Friday, Nick Ecker, President of Charter Arms, wrote me in reply to the proposition of a .32 ACP revolver. He writes, Captain O, We share your enthusiasm on the .32 ACP cartridge and have one in process, please be patient and think you and others will be very pleased. Sincerely, Nick Ecker I suggested they make the revolver in the small and medium-frame(s) with cylinders that carry 6 and 7 rounds in relation to its frame size. With 2-3 and 4" barrels, he could have a winner for the "nightstand" and "purse gun" set. Another win for the .32 ACP |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: Last Friday, Nick Ecker, President of Charter Arms, wrote me in reply to the proposition of a .32 ACP revolver. He writes, Captain O, We share your enthusiasm on the .32 ACP cartridge and have one in process, please be patient and think you and others will be very pleased. Sincerely, Nick Ecker I suggested they make the revolver in the small and medium-frame(s) with cylinders that carry 6 and 7 rounds in relation to its frame size. With 2-3 and 4" barrels, he could have a winner for the "nightstand" and "purse gun" set. Another win for the .32 ACP Shoot me his email addy via IM if you will. When my .22 Mag finally comes back, I have a howler to send him. |
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Originally Posted By CaptainO: PM sent. Originally Posted By CaptainO: Originally Posted By backbencher: Shoot me his email addy via IM if you will. When my .22 Mag finally comes back, I have a howler to send him. PM sent. Thanks man. |
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| I have a Smith and Wesson 632 in .32 H&R magnum and carry either wadcutters, FMJ or HP...........I like the gun alot, and its carried in rotation with a Smith 37 and an LCP Max in .380.............seriously considering adding a Seecamp in .32 I found for a good price |
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Originally Posted By evnash: Interesting video. The 25acp is stopped by the sternum in the ballistics dummy used When I worked in law enforcement, there was a case where a guy had been killed by a .25 acp |
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Attached File I brought this home Friday. It's on a 365XL for scale. I'm annoyed that any semi-auto comes with only one magazine but I'm not mad at Seecamp given the heel release and slow removal. I still ordered two more mags though. (Plus the holster they sell on their website.) Attached File Taurus TUC. No reason. I just wanted one. Again, it came with one magazine but Taurus sells two for $40, so I got four spare mags. I'll get them to the range soon. I hope they're both reliable. |
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