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| I’m sorta interested in getting one. I think it would make a good hot weather edc (size and capacity, 21rds). I’m already in the 5.7 game, with a PS90 & RUGER 5.7 so it fits into the collection without adding a new round. I’ve never seen in person, let alone held/shot one so any real life feedback based on actual experience is welcomed. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Interested. 21 rounds has less value to me than small and tiny and light. Our Lord and Savior George Kellgren's P32? |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Interested. 21 rounds has less value to me than small and tiny and light. Yup and ya get ‘em all in the PR57. 
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. |
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: That's disappointing to hear. Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently.  Top-Loader Pistol: Junk or Genius?!?! Keltec PR57 |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: It's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. Cool! I did not know that, I thought it was just plain blowback. Ok, that explains the lube casing need. Straight wall (true straight wall) swollen by fire pressure is going to want to stick in the chamber if there is a delay. So a batch of budget cheap ammo (as noted above) not coat3d correctly is going to be a problem in a locked breach system where the pressure is gone before any movement. |
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Weight and size of a airweight jframe, but with 21rds It's so odd I might need one just on principle, but I have yet to see any in person. I don't think they are shipping yet. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? |
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Originally Posted By Cycolac: The P(S)90 barrel floats? Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling:  Should You Even Bother With the Kel-Tec PR57? No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqDs2KmAS4No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqDs2KmAS4No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback.  3D Animation: How the Very Unconventional FN P90 Submachine Gun Works  P90: FN's Bullpup PDW |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrsOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqDs2KmAS4No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrsThe recoil spring around the barrel is visible in your 1st thumbnail. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: The recoil spring around the barrel is visible in your 1st thumbnail. Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqDs2KmAS4No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrsThe recoil spring around the barrel is visible in your 1st thumbnail. That's the charging handle return spring. In the second video, Ian says it's just blowback. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: That's the charging handle return spring. In the second video, Ian says it's just blowback. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By backbencher: Hootie shot one. Jammed quite a bit on the cheap ammo. That's disappointing to hear. Eh. I had a problem w/ American Eagle too in my AR57. No indication he oiled it, this was just 30 rounds out of the box, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDLCrqvk4IIt's an odd round. Straight wall case, high pressure, blowback. Factory ammo is typically coated. This pistol is locked breech short recoil w/ a rotating barrel, IIRC. The SUB2000 is straight blowback, which is unusual for this round, most of the pistols on the market are lever delayed blowbacks. Intersting. The P90 is blowback. Blowback w/ a floating barrel that recoils w/ the bolt for a short distance, which is a mechanism Kel-Tec used for their .22 WMR PMR30 pistol. The P(S)90 barrel floats? Yes, which is why it's such a pain in the ass to make an SBR. Also has jams, even after breaking in & oiling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqDs2KmAS4No indication of what ammo he used was, in the comments someone had a better experience. Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrsThe recoil spring around the barrel is visible in your 1st thumbnail. That's the charging handle return spring. In the second video, Ian says it's just blowback. I dunno what to tell you man. I've been assured by folks here that it's a pain in the ass to chop b/c the flash hider is mounted on the barrel shroud, b/c the barrel moves back & forth to aid in extraction. |
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Stuff like that is why im waiting on buying one. See what people and companies do with it. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrs@0:21 you can see the upper parts layout for a P90 type receiver, including the barrle return spring. The barrel does not recoil far, and the barrel return spring is stiff. ETA: The barrel return spring is modeled in the 3D cutaway video. It is visible at 1:51 when it changes to the left quartering view.  Failed To Load Title |
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I liked my PR57, never had an issue with it. I had one of the first to come through my store. I keep it well lubed, but only shot about 100rds of SS195LF through it. Then dad mentioned he wanted one, without even knowing I had one, so I gave him mine. I also have an M&P57, which I thought had low recoil, until I shot the PR57. Not the MP57 has recoil, but its slide is much heavier and you can definitely feel that mass moving around vs the PR57's comparatively very light slide. The trigger in the PR57 is pre set DA, like on the Kel Tec P11 or P32; it is a long pull, and had to make the full trip to reset, but it is not heavy at all, and it is smooth. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Are you sure? I don't know a lot on the P90, but thought I had read it was just a straight blow-back. This animation doesn't show the barrel moving any when fired. Up until now, all I ever heard was that it's a blowback. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSgCTWI928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20PiFxMkrs |
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Originally Posted By Jacketch: I finally got mine out to the range. Low recoil is nice. Seems accurate. Several failures to feed out of a hundred rounds. The biggest problem was that the trigger sometimes didn't reset forward which is not an uncommon complaint with this pistol. Yesterday after I cleaned and lubed it I dry fired it a few hundred times and the trigger problem seemed to finally go away. I'll try it again this week. Any update? I finally found one at a price I was willing to pay, auction site for $330, I'll get it next week. I'll post my thoughts in a few weeks. Deer season opens Sat, so I'm not shooting it for a little while. |
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Welp, finally got out to shot a couple clips through it, 20 rounds, all 20 failed to cycle, not a great first impression. I was using American Eagle ammo, will try AAC & FN after I tear it down, clean and oil it up again and see how it operates. Hoping for the best... 
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Originally Posted By backbencher: American Eagle is the cheapest, but I had no issue feeding the 5.7 Lyndon w/ it. Yup. My PS90 doesn’t like it, but my Ruger 57 is fine with it. I’d like to use the AE in the KelTec since it’ll be just a plinker/fun gun. |
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For shits & giggles, I took the MRD (Vortex Defender CCW) off, only 3 failures in 20rds all failed to cycle with AE ammo. 15% failure rate is still unacceptable, but I think I know what I'm going to hear back from KT now. |
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I couldn't resist. Not a ton of rounds yet, maybe 20 of FN blue tip and 25 Hornady Black 40gr V-Max, but no malfunctions. It shoots high-left so it needs a dot. It's so weird I may even carry it. Holy crap does it launch brass! Attached File |
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Originally Posted By pokey074: I couldn't resist. Not a ton of rounds yet, maybe 20 of FN blue tip and 25 Hornady Black 40gr V-Max, but no malfunctions. It shoots high-left so it needs a dot. It's so weird I may even carry it. Holy crap does it launch brass! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1073/IMG_4534_jpeg-3722016.JPG Interested in hearing how yours works with a red dot. I haven’t shot mine since I took the red dot off, the failures decreased, but not to the point I’d trust my life with it. I’m with you, it’s a carry option, but not until I get past the failures, until then it’s just a range toy. |
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Interested in hearing how yours works with a red dot. I haven't shot mine since I took the red dot off, the failures decreased, but not to the point I'd trust my life with it. I'm with you, it's a carry option, but not until I get past the failures, until then it's just a range toy. Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By pokey074: I couldn't resist. Not a ton of rounds yet, maybe 20 of FN blue tip and 25 Hornady Black 40gr V-Max, but no malfunctions. It shoots high-left so it needs a dot. It's so weird I may even carry it. Holy crap does it launch brass! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1073/IMG_4534_jpeg-3722016.JPG Interested in hearing how yours works with a red dot. I haven't shot mine since I took the red dot off, the failures decreased, but not to the point I'd trust my life with it. I'm with you, it's a carry option, but not until I get past the failures, until then it's just a range toy. |
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I ran 54 rounds of Fiocchi 40 grn FMJ through the shop's 57 the other day. Once you figger out how to get the strippers all the way in there all 10 rounds shoomp right into the mag. Even loaded the 21st to see the little legs come out. No oil, out of the box, no jams, just very light recoil for 54 rounds. Did not notice the false reset when firing live ammo. |
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Originally Posted By pokey074: What dot? How much did it weigh? @pokey074 It's a Vortex Defender CCW @ 1.3oz total weight, est 1.1oz for the MRD & .2 for the base plate. |
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: @pokey074 It's a Vortex Defender CCW @ 1.3oz total weight, est 1.1oz for the MRD & .2 for the base plate. Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By pokey074: What dot? How much did it weigh? @pokey074 It's a Vortex Defender CCW @ 1.3oz total weight, est 1.1oz for the MRD & .2 for the base plate. |
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That'll do. Shot another about 90 rounds today with no malfunctions, which was kind of surprising since this was 50 rounds of American Eagle 40gr FMJ. I've not read the best about it but it worked for me. So far only about 150 rounds in but zero malfunctions. Attached File |
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| Put 60rds through mine today, 30 FN & 30 AE, only 1 issue and it was an issue with a round. I am having an issue with the loading, the first round hangs up so the slide won’t go into battery; probably a loading/user error. I did take the MRD off, I’ll put it back on and see how it works. I am liking this little pistol so hopefully I can get it working w/o issues. |
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: Put 60rds through mine today, 30 FN & 30 AE, only 1 issue and it was an issue with a round. I am having an issue with the loading, the first round hangs up so the slide won't go into battery; probably a loading/user error. I did take the MRD off, I'll put it back on and see how it works. I am liking this little pistol so hopefully I can get it working w/o issues. |