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 I was trying to decide and watched all the Youtube videos. I decided on the KImber 2k11. After getting the Kimber and shooting it, I ended up also getting the Sig P211. Spoiler alert, I am not at all impressed with the Kimber. The Kimber is handsome and the comp really does work pretty well. Trigger is about 3.5 lbs and decent. But now the negatives IMHO, the fit finish of the frame and slide is so mil spec its disgusting and sloppy. This is one of Kimber's flagship models and it is build like a cheap $600 gun, no refinements. The rear sight base came loose immediately and even Loctite did not help. I appears the treaded holes are maybe .001 off and just just don't fit the screws well. Not nearly as accurate a barrel as I had hoped, and tested with many ammo types/weights. Had a number of FTF's, but the ejection was strong and consistent, maybe a magazine issue. The grips although attractive, are as slick as greased pig at the fair. I wanted to love it, but once again IMHO Kimber is the same ole same ole. It shoots like a $800 gun. Not $2400. So I took a chance and went with my second runner up, the Sig P211. Never owned a Sig and was skeptical because of the 320 issues they have. But after shooting it, Damn!!!! Heads and tails better than the Kimber. First off its quite a bit heavier and I am sure helps with recoil mitigation. The 3D comp does a better job than the Kimber and it's a bit quieter. Its markedly more accurate and the fit/finish on the slide/frame is way better. Even being tighter spec, the slide cycles much smoother. The series 80 trigger is exactly the same as the Kimber 3.5 lbs. Grip with the checkered frame and side panels provides much more traction than the Kimber without being abrasive. Not a single issue with any ammo used, it ate everything I fed it. Just like the Kimber, it has an external extractor, and it ejects the brass strong and in a consistent pattern. It uses the Sig 320 mags and they are cheaper than the Kimber 2011 mags. Quite frankly, it is more fun to shoot and more comfortable to my medium sized hands. I wished I never bought the Kimber. It will be sitting in the safe until I can sell it. Even if I kept the Kimber I would always pick the P211 to take to the range. I know others may being trying to decide on a 2011 like I did, I hope this helps. |
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Look into getting the "METAL" bushing to replace the factory plastic one.... That's the only issue I'm aware of out there..... Fdezworks has them....$40...... https://fdezwerx.com/p211-stainless-steel-guide-rod-plug/ |
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That's surprising to hear. Sample size of one P211 and two 2K11s, I was much more pleased with the fit, finish and feel of the Kimbers over the Sig. The Kimbers seemed to have more higher end features, like the Marvel cut, though the triggers on all three felt about the same. The slide/frame fit on the Kimbers were marginally better than the Sig, though the Sig wasn't a rattletrap. |
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Originally Posted By helogene: Look into getting the "METAL" bushing to replace the factory plastic one.... That's the only issue I'm aware of out there..... Fdezworks has them....$40...... https://fdezwerx.com/p211-stainless-steel-guide-rod-plug/ Seeing that OP just purchased it, there's a chance it already has the metal recoil spring plug. If not, Sig Sauer will send them out to registered owners. People have mentioned calling customer service. |
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I have the same model, 1st Kimber. Tried all sorts of cheap 2011's but before this. My sample is good in the fit and finish department, no complaints there. Love the Tag precision optic plate and shorter trigger shoe. So far no issues with mags unlike some of my other 2011s. Running stock and Prodigy mags. Accuracy is phenominal on my sample, shot a sub 1" group at 12 yards when setting up my dot from a rest. Can't ask for much more than that. After 750 rounds I have 2 nitpicks. One, I wish the ported versions came with a heavier recoil spring. The slide on mine gets sluggish after about 100 rounds to the point where it needs a random bump to return to battery. You can clearly see the port gets gunked up pretty fast which starts affecting the cycling. Stock recoil spring is 10lb. I put a 12lb spring in at the 500 round mark which seems to have cleared up the cycling issues after 100 rounds. Last range session put us at about 700 rounds total, we experienced no cycling issues at all. 2nd nitpick - wish it had the MJD grip, that one made the design more cohesive and was a bit more grippy. The shorter trigger reach and Tag Precision Optic plate was the deciding factor for me. I plan on eventually picking up a non ported GTO, like the looks and the 320 mag usage should be a plus. The best running 2011 style pistol overall that I own is a Platypus which I believe is in part due to the Glock mags. Even the cheap $9 mags run. |
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Originally Posted By helogene: Look into getting the "METAL" bushing to replace the factory plastic one.... That's the only issue I'm aware of out there..... Fdezworks has them....$40...... https://fdezwerx.com/p211-stainless-steel-guide-rod-plug/ I was fortunate, my Sig P211 came from the factory with the new metal plug. Also the Kimber did include the Tag RMR plate. I know others have different experiences with the two, but I just was expecting more for my money with the Kimber. It seems gun manufacturers have conditioned us to believe $2500 is the new norm for these guns. Great but make it a $2500 value. Even though I am extremely happy with the P211 I still think it’s little bit overpriced too. As someone mentioned, I do prefer the P320 mags for cost and quality, it seems some 2011 mags need to be tweaked to work better, plus can be pricey. One other thing about the Kimber that turns me off is the lawyer witness hole cut in the top of the chamber. I guess a round visual verification hole. Well it funnels extra gas straight up onto the optic and by the third mag, it gets pretty tough to see through it. The P211 gets dirty, but I can get through a whole range session without having to clean before I am done. Not to completely bag on the Kimber, it does have a nice toolless Guide rod, where the Sig is a non captured version. |
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Originally Posted By DetroitSounds: Good 2011's start at Staccato. Ehh...staccato is the glock of the 2011 world. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just kind of the standard. By the reports coming out on some of the lower tier models, they have some competition. That's great, because there is absolutely zero reason a 2011 should cost more than a 1911 - magazines excepted. |
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I haven't had a chance to shoot the P211, but I have shot a Kimber Pro Royal and was really impressed with it for the price. I didn't have any issues with it and wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I were in the market for one. If I were to buy another DS1911, the Sig is closer to what I would want. It would be for USPSA limited optics so I would want aftermarket grip support to better fit it to my hands and the non-comp/site block model whenever that is released. |
| Ditto. Just ordered a P211 and am patiently waiting for it to ship. Did a fair amount of research. Probably would have bought a Bul Armory Tac Pro, but I waited too long and now they are OOS. Really looking forward to the Sig though. I own a 320, so I already have a couple of mags. Reviews seem extremely positive. I really like the looks of the Sig. And personally I do have some brand loyalty to the company - even though the 320 has admittedly been a real fiasco. My first gun was a P226, which I've now owned for 20+ years. Don't think I've ever had a misfeed. I also own a P210, which has been an absolute tack driver and one of my favorite guns to shoot. Even own a aSig 516 upper, which runs great and has been surprisingly accurate for a chrome lined piston gun. |
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Originally Posted By BigM: I was fortunate, my Sig P211 came from the factory with the new metal plug. Also the Kimber did include the Tag RMR plate. I know others have different experiences with the two, but I just was expecting more for my money with the Kimber. It seems gun manufacturers have conditioned us to believe $2500 is the new norm for these guns. Great but make it a $2500 value. Even though I am extremely happy with the P211 I still think it’s little bit overpriced too. As someone mentioned, I do prefer the P320 mags for cost and quality, it seems some 2011 mags need to be tweaked to work better, plus can be pricey. One other thing about the Kimber that turns me off is the lawyer witness hole cut in the top of the camber. I guess a round visual verification hole. Well it funnels extra gas straight up onto the optic and by the third mag, it gets pretty tough to see through it. The P211 gets dirty, but I can get through a whole range session without having to clean before I am done. Not to completely bag on the Kimber, it does have a nice toolless Guide rod, where the Sig is a non captured version. Both are practically brand new; give it time, they'll come down as the market segment tightens up. |
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My Sig arrived at my FFL yesterday. Going into town today to fill out the paperwork today and will try to do a review once I've had a chance to put some rounds through it. And for those who will never buy an Sig again - that's certainly your prerogative. It's your money and you're entitled to spend it as you see fit. Personally, I'm reluctant to "cancel" a company simply because they have done something in the past I don't agree with. If I took that approach there are an awful lot of companies I'd never do business with, including, off the top of my head, the following: Eotech - Don't like the fact that early models failed to hold zero in cold weather. Holosun - You're supporting the Chinese. Smith and Wesson - Failed to support the 2nd Amendment. Under anti-gun pressure put an internal gun lock on some of their revolvers. Sons of Liberty - The owner is alleged to have hit his mother. LaRue - Mark LaRue has been known to be a real asshole and occasionally misrepresented his products on Instagram. Dead Air - Mishandled the problems with their Sierra 5 suppressor. Sig - the P320 fiasco. And honestly, that's just off the top of my head. Given some research I'm sure I could come up with 10 more companies. And as someone who owns at least one product from each of these companies I can say that I've been happy with every purchase I've made from them and I'm glad they are out there giving those of us who are "firearms enthusiasts" more choices when we go to buy a rifle, a pistol, an optic, or a suppressor. |
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Originally Posted By Pippinone: My Sig arrived at my FFL yesterday. Going into town today to fill out the paperwork today and will try to do a review once I've had a chance to put some rounds through it. And for those who will never buy an Sig again - that's certainly your prerogative. It's your money and you're entitled to spend it as you see fit. Personally, I'm reluctant to "cancel" a company simply because they have done something in the past I don't agree with. If I took that approach there are an awful lot of companies I'd never do business with, including, off the top of my head, the following: Eotech - Don't like the fact that early models failed to hold zero in cold weather. Holosun - You're supporting the Chinese. Smith and Wesson - Failed to support the 2nd Amendment. Under anti-gun pressure put an internal gun lock on some of their revolvers. Sons of Liberty - The owner is alleged to have hit his mother. LaRue - Mark LaRue has been known to be a real asshole and occasionally misrepresented his products on Instagram. Dead Air - Mishandled the problems with their Sierra 5 suppressor. Sig - the P320 fiasco. And honestly, that's just off the top of my head. Given some research I'm sure I could come up with 10 more companies. And as someone who owns at least one product from each of these companies I can say that I've been happy with every purchase I've made from them and I'm glad they are out there giving those of us who are "firearms enthusiasts" more choices when we go to buy a rifle, a pistol, an optic, or a suppressor. the gun/community is a mental roladex on part with the worst ex. Knights strung a bunch of their customers along for 5 years doing their one part at a time build LMT had spotty QC post factory move Kimber used MIM and had spotty QC under Cohen Springfield was playing both sides of the political isle and had less than qc problems with the prodigy launch. No company is perfect, and i try to view this stuff pragmatically. In the case of sig, I think the 320 is a shit show and has been tottaly mismanaged. I do however thing the the P220/226/211 are very good and plan on picking up a 211 in the next few months. The MCX in 556/300BO seems solid, the 277 seems to be hit or miss. Hell how many of us voted for Trump to drain the swap and yet the DoJ refuses even inconvenience people in the Epstein files with an . interview. I mean, ill take the win on military leadership and end USAID. |
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As promised, I have a quick preliminary review of the Sig P211, which I picked up today and immediately took to the range. For the record, I'm not a gun-tuber, I have no affiliation with Sig (or anyone else) and paid for my pistol with my own money. Just someone who likes to shoot and who, over the years, has managed to accumulate a bunch of guns. Initial impressions - I really like the look of this gun, unlike the Kimber which I frankly think is butt ugly. But that's entirely subjective. The fit between slide and frame is very good, but not exceptional. There is a very slight amount of play, but it is slight. Cycling the gun the slide rides of the frame like butter. Extremely smooth and it requires little effort to cycle. Shooting experience - I really like the grip. It fits my hand perfectly (I have fairly large hands) and the grip texture is really good. Not too rough, but very tactile. In fairness I was shooting outside in 25 degree weather in a dry climate, so sweat really wasn't an issue. The trigger is very good, but not great. You do feel that it has a firing pin block, so the trigger does not break like a glass rod, in contrast to a couple of high end 1911's I own. Trigger pull is probably around 3-3.5 pounds. I shot the Sig back to back with my CZ TS2 and shooting slow fire there is a very noticeable difference between the two. But the TS2 has an extremely light trigger (certainly under 2 pounds). But the Sig really isn't intended to be a bullseye pistol and I was still able to put up pretty good groups at distances up to about 25 yards. However, I would say that between the trigger and the inherent mechanical accuracy of the gun I am clearly able to produce slightly better groups with my Sig P210, my SW41 and my TS2. Of course I also have more time behind each of these pistols, and the SW41 and the TS2 currently have dots on them, so it's not really an apples to apples comparison. Also, the P211 trigger is only noticeable when doing slow fire and trying for maximum precision. For anything else, I don't think the trigger will hold me back at all. I'm probably going to eventually put a dot on this gun, but for today I shot the iron sights, which were a pleasant surprise. They are very visible and easy to pick up (however, I was shooting outside in bright sunshine) and I would say some of the nicest sights I have on any of my pistols. Recoil impulse. This is where the P211 really shines. You probably need to keep in mind that this is the only comped gun I have, but this gun is extraordinarily flat shooting. I am admittedly, not the world's fastest shooter, but I was amazed at how quickly this gun comes back on target. I would say the recoil impulse is nearly non-existent with a slight muzzle rise nearly straight up (probably about 11:00). This means that even for someone like me, with relatively modest abilities, the gun is very fast back on target making double taps easy and fun. Now for the bad news. First, when I inserted a mag for the first time, which I did fairly aggressively, the slide picked up a round and went into battery. This is the only time that happened, but after that I was careful not to really slam the mag into the gun. Second, from the very first mag the gun repeatedly failed to go into battery. Thus, the slide would eject the fired round and pick up a new round, but stop about 1/4-1/2" short of fully closing. If I gave the slide a small push, it would seat the next round and the gun would fire. But this problem happened a lot. Like every 3-4 rounds. (I was shooting Winchester 115 gr. ammo). However, it is possible that this was attributable to user error. I have large hands and tend to have a very high grip on the gun. I think I may have been riding the slide with both the thumb of my firing hand and my support hand, preventing it from cycling freely. Initially, tried to be conscious of where the thumb on my firing hand was, and that seemed to help. And for the last 30 rounds or so (of the 100 rounds I fired) I was careful to make sure my left hand was not pressing against the slide. When I did this I experienced no issues. So I'm going to need at least one more range session to determine whether this issue is solely attributable to how I was gripping the gun, or if there is an issue with the gun going into battery. Also, next time I'm going to try shooting 124 gr. ammo. And the gun will have had a few more rounds to break in. So I'll just have to see what happens. Finally, I just shot the gun with the spring that was installed on the gun. I suppose I can also play with the spring weight if this continues to be a problem. So, all in all a mixed outing. If the FTF are a user issue, I have no criticisms of this gun. If there continues to be an issue after I adjust my grip and the gun is broken in, I may have to follow up with Sig. |
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Originally Posted By Pippinone: Cycling the gun the slide rides of the frame like butter. Extremely smooth and it requires little effort to cycle. So, all in all a mixed outing. If the FTF are a user issue, I have no criticisms of this gun. If there continues to be an issue after I adjust my grip and the gun is broken in, I may have to follow up with Sig. Go to the next heavier recoil spring. 2011's play the game of trying to make the recoil impulse as light as possible. This means everything has to be perfect, clean, broken in , etc. an extra 2lbd on the recoil spring will be almost unoticeable expect for the gun returning to battery. |
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Originally Posted By Switchback_Arms: My 2k11 has been perfect, I really like it. I'm not buying Sigs anytime soon. I only have around 700 rds through mine... loving this thing so far. shot it next to a stacatto P..... ill keep the kimber |
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Feel I should update my prior review - particularly since my first outing was not exactly successful. To recap - took my P211 directly from my FFL to the range and put some rounds through it. Struggled to get through a mag without at least one FTF. Gun would not go into battery. So yesterday I field stripped it, replaced the 8lb recoil spring with the included 10lb spring, cleaned and lubed the crap out of it and went back to the range this morning. I'm pleased to report that the gun ran like a champ. Shot about 100 rounds of Remington 115gr. loads. 0 issues and the gun cycled without a hiccup. My only question is why Sig put in an 8lb spring to begin with. But good to know I didn't just buy a $2400 paperweight. |
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There are some very passionate people in the 2011 community... you will have one thread where somebody gets a 2k11 pro comp and says that its a very nice pistol, then you will have another thread where someone says that Kimber has fucked them for the last time and they are never going to financially recover like the tiger king. yeah, there are threads out there with significantly more expensive 2011 having break in issues, but yet these are non existent when diagnosing their issues. I've shot both and they are good pistols, my critic of the 2k11 is their grip, its not uncomfortable, but i prefer the sig or other options. while in this case, i prefer the sig, but i would consider a 4.25 inch 2k11 pro comp. my friend has a 2k11 that ive shot a decent amount, and honestly its a very good pistol for the price point. I would buy a Kimber before a staccato. If this was my pistol, i would review some 2k11 and access if this seems to be a trend or if my isssue seems to be an outlier. I wouldn't flail my hands around like a 9 year old and blow another 2500 dollars on the same pistol from another manufacture. I would probably call the manufacture as say that something odd might be going on and ask if they could take a look at it. |
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Just a further on my initial review. I did start to get some FTF in my P211. They had initially installed their 8lbs spring and I swapped it out for the included 10lbs. It has been 100% since then. Even lower powered 115gn Blazer Brass works fantastic. Round count now is about 1500 and I could not be happier. Zero regrets with the P211. I still compare it to my other guns and with the weight, trigger and comp, I shoot this gun so much better. It truly helps me shoot more accurately and faster than I normally do. Your mileage may vary. The Kimber 2k11 comp still pisses me off. I don’t have trigger rattle as others have, I have frame/slide rattle. It is just a mass produced gun with little quality control. However I decided to work more with it. It came with a 10lbs progressive spring. I do love an external extractor and extraction/ejection is consistent and has been perfect. However I was still getting FTF’s similar to the P211. Just stopped with a round about 1/2 to 3/4 way into the chamber. I swapped out the recoil spring for a 10lbs non-progressive spring. It has been 100% since then. I swapped out my original red dot for a 507 Comp. I use the dot with 8 moa circle. Even a green dot is not perfect with my eyes, however the circles are clear as a bell for me. I re-zeroed the gun and I am actually getting better groups than I was before. As stated previously I believe the comp really does well in this gun. Even with the better red dot and grouping, I still don’t shoot this as well or as fast as the P211. Again your mileage may vary. I did just order a Bul Armory Tac Pro. I got the 4.25 model. I know 2011’s are an illness. As soon as I get this, I will get you a range report. Once I get this running, I will decide and get rid of either the Bul or Kimber and I am pretty certain the Kimber will go. I have never owned an Sig, Kimber or Bul before, so no brand loyalty. Just performance in my hand is all I care about. Don’t get me wrong I like aesthetic’s on a gun, but that will never outweigh performance for me. I think some people buy guns and have either brand loyalty, aesthetic’s love or they want to justify their expensive purchase. Those in turn influence their decisions and reviews. Not for me, just take it for a test drive and see how it does. |
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Originally Posted By BigM: Just a further on my initial review. I did start to get some FTF in my P211. They had initially installed their 8lbs spring and I swapped it out for the included 10lbs. It has been 100% since then. Even lower powered 115gn Blazer Brass works fantastic. Round count now is about 1500 and I could not be happier. Zero regrets with the P211. I still compare it to my other guns and with the weight, trigger and comp, I shoot this gun so much better. It truly helps me shoot more accurately and faster than I normally do. Your mileage may vary. The Kimber 2k11 comp still pisses me off. I don’t have trigger rattle as others have, I have frame/slide rattle. It is just a mass produced gun with little quality control. However I decided to work more with it. It came with a 10lbs progressive spring. I do love an external extractor and extraction/ejection is consistent and has been perfect. However I was still getting FTF’s similar to the P211. Just stopped with a round about 1/2 to 3/4 way into the chamber. I swapped out the recoil spring for a 10lbs non-progressive spring. It has been 100% since then. I swapped out my original red dot for a 507 Comp. I use the dot with 8 moa circle. Even a green dot is not perfect with my eyes, however the circles are clear as a bell for me. I re-zeroed the gun and I am actually getting better groups than I was before. As stated previously I believe the comp really does well in this gun. Even with the better red dot and grouping, I still don’t shoot this as well or as fast as the P211. Again your mileage may vary. I did just order a Bul Armory Tac Pro. I got the 4.25 model. I know 2011’s are an illness. As soon as I get this, I will get you a range report. Once I get this running, I will decide and get rid of either the Bul or Kimber and I am pretty certain the Kimber will go. I have never owned an Sig, Kimber or Bul before, so no brand loyalty. Just performance in my hand is all I care about. Don’t get me wrong I like aesthetic’s on a gun, but that will never outweigh performance for me. I think some people buy guns and have either brand loyalty, aesthetic’s love or they want to justify their expensive purchase. Those in turn influence their decisions and reviews. Not for me, just take it for a test drive and see how it does. I'm not trying to change your mind, and I'm not yet a 2011 snob (not implying you are), but I have a Stainless Target and a Pro Comp and do not have the issues you mentioned. My side to frame fits are tight and with no trigger rattle (2011 trigger bows can be tweaked just a bit to take up any side-to-side movement). I only have about 300 rounds out, but (coming from striker fired) I think the Kimbers are a solid value. My stainless was an early model with the longer trigger shoe and the safety that might cause a hot spot for some. Kimber took feedback and models now have a shorter trigger shoe and profiled safety. I also believe 2k11s are made start to finish by the same tech so I'm not sure if that qualifies as mass-produced. I've shot Staccatos and really didn't see or feel a difference, but YouTubers are noting the P211 is a marginally flatter shooting pistol. I don't shoot thousands and thousands of rounds so, the Kimbers work for me. 
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BigM, like you I recently fell down the 2011 rabbit hole. Reassuring to hear I'm not the only one who initially had issues with my Sig P211 not going into battery. And like you and swapped in the 10lb spring and since then have had 100 rounds with no issues. Just installed a Trijicon dot (for some reason my iron sites were consistently shooting about 3" low at 15-20 yards). Hoping the addition of a red dot does not cause cycling problems. Was originally going to buy a Bul Armory 5" Tac Pro, but I waited too long and they went OOS. Ended up ordering a Platypus and was then quoted a mid-May ship date. Impatience got the better of me, so I bought a new Sig P211 that I somehow managed to find for $2,200, including shipping and tax. Just received an email that my Platypus is shipping early and will arrive sometime next week. So I'll toss in a quick review of that as well once I've shot it. Going to be a different gun, since it's not comped and, I believe considerably lighter than the Sig. Unless I hate the Platypus will probably end up keeping both guns, but that really maxes out my gun budget for the foreseeable future. |
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I too was looking at the Platypus, but didn’t want to wait so long either. I have heard nothing but good things about Stealth Arms. I almost ordered one and may still. Looking forward to your take on it. The only thing I hear now is that people are hoping for a steel not aluminum frame. Let us know what you think. |
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So, picked up my Platypus from my local FFL on Friday. Went to the range today to put some rounds through it and brought my recently acquired Sig P211 with me as well to do a head to head comparison. I suppose to start I should briefly talk about my shooting experience, ability, etc. since I think that can sometimes be important. Basically, I'm an enthusiastic amateur. Not LEO or military, not a USPSA Grand Master, not a YouTube gun-influencer. Juts someone who's been plinking away for 25+ years. Also means no one is sponsoring me, sending me free guns or supplying me with ammo. Other than some Dillo Dust and maybe a hat I've never received anything for free from a gun company in my life. However, when you buy one or two guns a year for 25 years you end up accumulating a bunch of guns. So I've owned Sigs, HK's, CZ's, Glocks, S&W's, a couple of high end 1911's and several nice .22 pistols. Also, no real brand loyalty one way or another. I've always had good luck with Sig's, I like my LMT AR's, had good luck with my Tikka bolt action rifle, etc. but if a particular mfg. makes a shitty product I'm not afraid to say it. Having gotten that out of the way, let's talk Sig P211 vs. Stealth Arms Platypus. When I compared them side by side at home, my first thought was "I like the Sig better". I have large hands, so the grip of the Sig just felt better in my hand. I also tend to like heavy guns (I own a CZ TS2 a Shadow 2 and an SW41, none of which are light guns). So my assumption was, well I'm going to shoot the Sig better and the Platypus is going to see a lot less range time. But when I went to the range, things turned out to be a lot closer than I thought. For example, I assumed I was going to be able to shoot the Sig noticeably faster than the Platypus. After all, with the Sig being comped and heavier, surely it would be much flatter shooting and faster to get back on target. However, that really wasn't the case (at least for me). Yes the Sig is not as snappy (although neither gun is really snappy) and does shoot slightly flatter, but although the Platypus does recoil slightly more, it also seems to naturally come back back on target pretty quickly. So shooting head to head I would say that, if anything, I was able to shoot slightly faster with the Platypus - but it was very close and I suspect ultimately, the faster gun will end up being the one I have the most trigger time behind. I should add, that I am currently not exactly Speedy Gonzalez when it comes to putting rounds downrange. We're not talking about sub .10 splits here. In fact, my current goal is to really work on improving my follow up shots and transitions. Comparing the guns head to head, I still like the fatter grips of the Sig, but that's really going to be a matter of personal preference. For those with smaller hands I think the Platypus will feel better. However, when talking grip texture, the "prickle" grip of the Platypus is fantastic. Really helps to get a solid grip. And I ordered the Platypus with a "competition" trigger, which I think also helped me shoot the gun a hair quicker. So the trigger on the Platypus is better than the Sig P211, although if you're coming from a Glock (or another striker fired pistol) both triggers are going to be a huge improvement. I would also say that, to me, the safety on the Sig is slightly easier to manipulate, although neither the Sig nor the Platypus exactly have oversized safeties. With respect to the fit and finish, both are good, although I will say the slide to frame fit on my Platypus is slightly better than the Sig - i.e. the Platypus basically had zero play, while on the Sig there was very slight looseness. With respect to reliability - only have about 50 rounds of Winchester 115 gr. through the Platypus but it's been 100% flawless. The Sig had serious issues with the original 8# spring that was installed on the gun. But after I've switched to the 10# spring it's run flawlessly. Bottom line, I really like both guns. But if you are trying to choose between these two guns I would say the most noticeable differences are: 1. the grip (the Sig grip is definitely fatter and the "prickle" grip on the Platypus is really well done, 2. the weight, with the Sig being significantly heavier, 3. the trigger - the competition trigger on the Platypus is definitely a step up from the Sig, 4. comped vs. uncomped - the Sig is flatter recoiling, but for me that didn't really seem to translate to faster splits. Finally, I didn't bench either of these guns to test their accuracy, but I did shoot some 6" steel plates at 25 yards. I got a few more hits with the Sig, but I think that because it has a red dot on it, while I haven't had a chance to put a dot on the Platypus. However, I will say that even with fairly cheap Winchester ammo, both guns look to be very accurate and I was knocking down plates pretty consistently. |
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With My 2011 sickness, I just picked up a Bul Armory SAS II (Non Ported) 4.25” version. I got it from Bul Armory directly. I paid almost the same as my 2K11. The Bul Armory appears to be a partially hand fitted (Slide/frame and barrel). The quality compared to the 2k11 is light years better. Better than the P211 too. The fit and finish feels like a hand fitted gun. It’s price point feels like a $3-3.5K gun. Took it out twice, once with just the standard iron sight (Fiber optic front) and once with my 507 Comp on it. It is nothing short of spectacular. I was shooting 6”steel circles out to 25 yards and with irons even. I will say in my experience it is far more accurate than the 2K11 and P211. 100% reliable with even cheap brassed cased factory ammo. Trigger is right at 2lbs 10-12ozs. The grips although plastic are awesome fit with my hands and the traction is just about perfect. Nothing I would change. Found plenty of cheap Mec Gar mags for it, and it even came with 4 mags from the factory. In the package it comes with 3 optic mounting plates, so no extra money there. Bul Armory guns are not widely available except with a couple dealers. However I found it available directly from Bul and no issues getting it to my FFL. If I had to do it again, i would pick the Bul Armory over the Kimber and the P211 every day and twice on Sunday. Thats not to say that I don't like the P211, I do and shoot it very well. But for the same price as a 2K11 there is no comparison. Just my .02 cents. But this is one time the YouTube reviewers were correct on their reviews too. |
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Originally Posted By BigM: With My 2011 sickness, I just picked up a Bul Armory SAS II (Non Ported) 4.25” version. I got it from Bul Armory directly. I paid almost the same as my 2K11. The Bul Armory appears to be a partially hand fitted (Slide/frame and barrel). The quality compared to the 2k11 is light years better. Better than the P211 too. The fit and finish feels like a hand fitted gun. It’s price point feels like a $3-3.5K gun. Took it out twice, once with just the standard iron sight (Fiber optic front) and once with my 507 Comp on it. It is nothing short of spectacular. I was shooting 6”steel circles out to 25 yards and with irons even. I will say in my experience it is far more accurate than the 2K11 and P211. 100% reliable with even cheap brassed cased factory ammo. Trigger is right at 2lbs 10-12ozs. The grips although plastic are awesome fit with my hands and the traction is just about perfect. Nothing I would change. Found plenty of cheap Mec Gar mags for it, and it even came with 4 mags from the factory. In the package it comes with 3 optic mounting plates, so no extra money there. Bul Armory guns are not widely available except with a couple dealers. However I found it available directly from Bul and no issues getting it to my FFL. If I had to do it again, i would pick the Bul Armory over the Kimber and the P211 every day and twice on Sunday. Thats not to say that I don't like the P211, I do and shoot it very well. But for the same price as a 2K11 there is no comparison. Just my .02 cents. But this is one time the YouTube reviewers were correct on their reviews too. BUL's are hard to beat. I have had my SAS ll about 3 years. Love it. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By dogsplat: same Originally Posted By dogsplat: Originally Posted By 10mmillie: Thanks for the write up. I haven't owned a Kimber in 25 years because of my experience with them. same |
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Originally Posted By BigM: https://i.imgur.com/lNQL2oa.jpeg I was trying to decide and watched all the Youtube videos. I decided on the KImber 2k11. After getting the Kimber and shooting it, I ended up also getting the Sig P211. Spoiler alert, I am not at all impressed with the Kimber. The Kimber is handsome and the comp really does work pretty well. Trigger is about 3.5 lbs and decent. But now the negatives IMHO, the fit finish of the frame and slide is so mil spec its disgusting and sloppy. This is one of Kimber's flagship models and it is build like a cheap $600 gun, no refinements. The rear sight base came loose immediately and even Loctite did not help. I appears the treaded holes are maybe .001 off and just just don't fit the screws well. Not nearly as accurate a barrel as I had hoped, and tested with many ammo types/weights. Had a number of FTF's, but the ejection was strong and consistent, maybe a magazine issue. The grips although attractive, are as slick as greased pig at the fair. I wanted to love it, but once again IMHO Kimber is the same ole same ole. It shoots like a $800 gun. Not $2400. So I took a chance and went with my second runner up, the Sig P211. Never owned a Sig and was skeptical because of the 320 issues they have. But after shooting it, Damn!!!! Heads and tails better than the Kimber. First off its quite a bit heavier and I am sure helps with recoil mitigation. The 3D comp does a better job than the Kimber and it's a bit quieter. Its markedly more accurate and the fit/finish on the slide/frame is way better. Even being tighter spec, the slide cycles much smoother. The series 80 trigger is exactly the same as the Kimber 3.5 lbs. Grip with the checkered frame and side panels provides much more traction than the Kimber without being abrasive. Not a single issue with any ammo used, it ate everything I fed it. Just like the Kimber, it has an external extractor, and it ejects the brass strong and in a consistent pattern. It uses the Sig 320 mags and they are cheaper than the Kimber 2011 mags. Quite frankly, it is more fun to shoot and more comfortable to my medium sized hands. I wished I never bought the Kimber. It will be sitting in the safe until I can sell it. Even if I kept the Kimber I would always pick the P211 to take to the range. I know others may being trying to decide on a 2011 like I did, I hope this helps. Been looking really hard at the Kimber Pro Comp as an alternative to getting a Prodigy or MAC Comp. They look good but cant decide if its worth the gamble on a Kimber Would like to find a used one to try while saving some up front but will have to hold out a while for prices to come down by the looks of it |
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Originally Posted By Turbo30cal: So send the Kimber back to Kimber to correct it instead of complaining on a forum? I like to hear about guns/brands to avoid when they make a shit product. I'm not so rich a couple thousand dollars wouldn't make a dent. And I don't have so much time on my hands that I can piss around sending shit back that should be right from day one, especially for that kind of money. |
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I am in the process of picking up my first 2011. I think im leaning toward the 2K11 pro comp. I get that the P211 may be a good weapon but i was invested in the P320 and had to unload everything (to an informed buyer) at quite a loss. I know they are different guns but i dont respect the company and have no confidence that if something goes wrong, that they'll make it right. |
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Originally Posted By BigM: With My 2011 sickness, I just picked up a Bul Armory SAS II (Non Ported) 4.25” version. I got it from Bul Armory directly. I paid almost the same as my 2K11. The Bul Armory appears to be a partially hand fitted (Slide/frame and barrel). The quality compared to the 2k11 is light years better. Better than the P211 too. The fit and finish feels like a hand fitted gun. It’s price point feels like a $3-3.5K gun. Took it out twice, once with just the standard iron sight (Fiber optic front) and once with my 507 Comp on it. It is nothing short of spectacular. I was shooting 6”steel circles out to 25 yards and with irons even. I will say in my experience it is far more accurate than the 2K11 and P211. 100% reliable with even cheap brassed cased factory ammo. Trigger is right at 2lbs 10-12ozs. The grips although plastic are awesome fit with my hands and the traction is just about perfect. Nothing I would change. Found plenty of cheap Mec Gar mags for it, and it even came with 4 mags from the factory. In the package it comes with 3 optic mounting plates, so no extra money there. Bul Armory guns are not widely available except with a couple dealers. However I found it available directly from Bul and no issues getting it to my FFL. If I had to do it again, i would pick the Bul Armory over the Kimber and the P211 every day and twice on Sunday. Thats not to say that I don't like the P211, I do and shoot it very well. But for the same price as a 2K11 there is no comparison. Just my .02 cents. But this is one time the YouTube reviewers were correct on their reviews too. Yeah, my original plan was to get the Bul Armory as everyone seems to like it better than the Sig and the 2k11. Unfortunately, I hesitated when they were in stock, and they then went out of stock for several months. Became impatient and ended up with the Platypus and the Sig. I'm honestly happy with both, although of the two I'm liking the Platypus slightly more - primarily because I opted for the competition trigger and I just like that trigger more than the Sig's Series 80 trigger. Also, although I always thought I liked thicker grips better, the narrow grip and "pickle" texture of the Platypus just enables me to shoot a little faster with the Platypus - although I'm hardly breaking speed records with either pistol. I will say both guns have been very accurate. Like you I took the Sig P211 out to 25 yards and was hitting 6" steel plates pretty consistently with Winchester 115 gr. ammo. Honestly, I think that unless you are a bullseye shooter any of these guns will be basically as accurate as you are. |