Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
One thing to note is that the new RTF2 pistols have standard vertical serrations, as the crescent serrations have been discontinued.

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Q: Are there Issues Using Tactical Lights on Glock® Pistols?
A: Some Glock® .40 caliber pistols, models 22 and 23, exhibit feeding malfunctions, either nose down or nose up (stovepipe), when used with tactical lights. The problems tend to occur with individual guns, with some pistols becoming totally unreliable while other identical, even close in serial number sequence, guns have no problems. Most models 22 and 23 are reliable.
A sensitive gun may malfunction with any tactical light - the TLRs, the older M models, and even Glock®’s own brand. There is evidence that the problem sometimes develops with use, and may progress until the pistol is unreliable even with no light attached.
On the basis of testing by Streamlight, we believe the problem is magazine related. It appears that the rounds are unable to rise fast enough for proper cycling. We have observed proper feeding for the first few rounds, consistent failures at mid-magazine capacity, and a return to proper feeding of the last few cartridges in the magazine.
We have tried both stronger and weaker recoil springs, and compound-action recoil buffers, all without success. Sometimes new magazine springs, either new Glock® or Wolff, will cure the problem. In one case of a pistol which was totally reliable when new but progressed to malfunctioning on every magazine, even with no light installed, we found two solutions which restored reliability, but which might not be acceptable to some users. The first was using 10 round capacity Glock® magazines. The gun will not cycle reliably with 15 round mags with their steeply stacked columns but works flawlessly with 10 round mags. The second solution was a new magazine follower from Brownells®, their part number 069-000-006. When used in a 15 round magazine with a new spring, reliability was restored. However, the follower would not lock the slide open after the last round.
Ammunition is also a factor with any weapon. Some brands and weights may be totally reliable while others jam repeatedly. Make sure your gun is thoroughly tested with your duty ammo.
Brownells® is a registered trademark of Brownells®, Inc.



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Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES_45:




Gen 1 and 2 were a 2 pin Glocks and the Gen 3 was a 3 pen glock, accessory rail, and with finger groves added to grip.  Gen 2 and 3 both had a rough texture frame.

Originally Posted By jonnybravo:



all good but thought the oiling points were off..... never seen an oil point at the base of the barrel but the firing pin safety does have one. otherwise correct.

Originally Posted By ViniVidivici:
This excellent and very comprehensive.  Very good job.

Don't know what I can add at the moment, other than the fact that this should ABSOLUTELY be tacked.

I'll contribute if I can, beyond what you guys already have.

From Glocks Armorers Manual Addendum, "Firing Pin Spring...the end with
the most coils goes toward the spring cups" (this is in the parts order
form)

100,000-Round 9mm Torture Test
By Chuck Taylor
On four occasions since 1990, I've written articles about a continuing
evaluation I've been conducting to ascertain the longevity of the Glock
Model 17 9mm pistol. The first of these, appearing in the February,
1993, issue of Combat Handguns, contained my findings as to the
weapon's performance and durability after 33,000 rounds fired. At this
juncture, I stated:
"I carried it in the rain, snow, dust and mud. I carried it when the
temperatures were over 100 degrees and when they were 40 below.
"I presented the gun more than 10,000 times from it's plastic slide
holster, speed loaded it 2,000 times, performed over 5,000 tactical
loads, shot it weak-handed in excess of 2,500 times and field-stripped
it 250 times.
"From the beginning, I resolved to grind it into the dirt, abuse it like no gun I ever had."
"Why? To find out the truth about Glocks, for once and for all...
"And I succeeded in doing just that. In a 30-month period, I fired
33,000 rounds, all factory loads, of every imaginable type made–– and
it ate them all, almost without a single malfunction. I say 'almost'
because on the 32,994th round, I finally had one–– a failure to feed!
And this in spite of the fact that I cleaned the gun every 10,000
rounds whether it need it or not!
"100 rounds short of the 5,000th shot, both factory-provided magazines
ceased to hold the slide open after the last shot, although they both
continued to function normally otherwise. At round number 11,000 a
second set did the same and was replaced by another.
"By the 500th holster presentation, the left side of the front site was
so badly worn that a proper site picture was no longer possible. It was
subsequently replaced with a steel version.
"By round number 16,000, I could see steel through the finish–– but it
never did rust, although it was exposed repeatedly to rain, snow,
perspiration and even blood.
"The trigger pull, originally 5.5 pounds, got smoother and a bit
lighter, but it never did double or demonstrate a glitch of any kind.
"And after all this, it still shoots into 3 inches at 25 meters, not much different than when it was new."
Impressed, to say the least, I was still determined to see the test
though to the point where the gun failed. So, although the piece had
passed the 33,000-round mark without significant negative results or
breakage, I continued the test.
The months went by and the test continued. By the end of the summer,
1993, the gun had shot 50,000 rounds without a hitch. Among my
additional observations published in Glock Auto pistols 1995, were
these:
"And now, after 50,000 rounds, nothing has really changed. It still:
"Functions reliably. In fact, not a single additional stoppage has occurred.
"Prints inside the 9-ring of a 25-meter pistol target, exactly as it did when it was new.
"Shows no additional finish wear.
"Exhibits no bore corrosion.
"Clearly, the Glock M-17 is a heck of a pistol and, as a survival
instrument, is well worthy of our consideration. It is well-designed,
well-made and capable of surviving a wide variety of environmental
conditions. It will feed the entire spectrum of bullet shapes and
functions reliably with virtually all power levels of 9mm ammunition.
In addition, it resists corrosion magnificently and its design causes
minimal wear on working parts, giving it an unbelievable long service
life.
"Ugly? Maybe, maybe not! It depends on what's important to you––
cosmetics, or function. Regardless, it's my opinion that the Glock 17
is not only a winner, but may well be the world's best 9mm pistol.
Obviously, only time will tell, but in the meantime, I've got 25,000
more rounds of 9mm ammunition to run through it to find out."
25,000 more
And the test continued. By February, 1995, the 25,000 rounds were
expended, bringing the total to an unbelievable 75,000! Yet, the gun
was still going strong, showing no indications whatsoever of impending
failure. I replaced nothing–– no springs, firing pins, connectors or
any other parts. In fact, viewed from the broad perspective, the gun
had actually outlived it's magazines–– six two-mag sets at that point.
Truthfully, I had run out of things to do to the gun. Short of running
over it with a car or freezing it into a solid block of ice–– both
which I regarded as silly, since they fail to mirror real-world
conditions and therefore prove nothing–– I had repeatedly exposed the
gun to everything. In the July, 1995, issue of Combat Handguns and
Summer, 1995, issue of Glockster, I said:
"After more than 70,000 holster presentations, I can detect no
additional finish wear from that which appeared by 20,000
presentations.
"The bore is still without corrosion or excessive wear; the piece still
shoots inside the 9-ring of a 25-meter pistol target, using the offhand
Weaver Stance. In fact, to determine if any deterioration of intrinsic
accuracy had occurred, I fired it from 35 meters in a Ransom Rest–– the
worst groups were 2 inches!
"As an example of its practical accuracy capability, I offer the
following. With the test gun, I was able to perform the following:
1. "Reliably get center-hits on a 18 x 30-inch steel silhouette target
at 75 meters, knocking down five such silhouettes in under ten seconds.





2. "Take a whitetail deer with a single shot behind the shoulder at a laser-measured 70 meters.
3. "Successfully pass the ASAA Handgun Combat Master test with it,
presenting it from concealed carry, shooting a score of at least 383
out of a possible 400."
My other observations at that time included:
"Internal parts exhibited no real wear or deterioration.
"The polycarbonate frame, though it had at one spot worn smooth from
holster contact, appeared intact and without discernible deterioration.
"After more than 50,000 speed loads and an equal number of tactical
loads, the magazine well was scarred somewhat but still serviceable.
"While the 56,103rd round blew a primer, the gun was undamaged. The
resulting stoppage, a Type 3 (Feedway) was quickly cleared and the
weapon returned to service.
"The trigger remained at 5.1 pounds, a reduction from it's original
poundage of only 0.4 pounds. It was still smooth and had a crisp
let-off.
"It was discovered that magazine service life could be dramatically
increased by loading only 15, rather than the rated 17, rounds of
ammunition. If a 'Plus-Two' floorplate is utilized, then–– and only
then–– should a full 17 rounds be loaded. This prevents the follower
spring from being fully compressed, thus causing it to soften and
finally 'set', as the expression goes.
"The Trijicon (tritium) sights installed early in the test were still completely serviceable."
It looked like the test was over. The pistol had survived an incredible
75,000 rounds and was completely intact. I had my desired data-base––
the Glock M-17 was irrefutably a terrific pistol. In fact, I was so
impressed that I concluded my article in Combat Handguns with this
statement:
"Pretty, it ain't, especially after all it's been through. On the other
hand, beauty is said to be in the eye of the beholder, and to me, the
Glock is a tool, not an objet d'art. This being the case, we must view
it differently–– function, not aesthetics, is the prime criteria.
Viewed from this perspective, there can be no doubt that the Glock M-17
looks mighty good indeed."
Well, I just couldn't leave it alone. My curiosity about just how long
the gun could survive continued to be intense. So, from my stores, I
broke out an additional 25,000 rounds of assorted 9mm ammo and
continued the test.
And now, the fall of 1995, after having fired a total of 100,000 rounds of virtually all kinds of ammunition...
Nothing has changed! The gun looks the same, feels the same, functions
the same as it did before. I've done everything within reason to this
gun. I've carried it all over the world, quite literally in every
environmental condition known to man–– the steaming jungles of Latin
America, the windblown deserts of the southwestern U.S., the 40-below
zero tundra of Alaska in the winter.
And it worked–– every time. In fact, since I discovered that loading
15, rather than the rated 17, rounds into the magazine prevented the
follower spring from softening, I haven't had a single malfunction.
Both magazines used in this last 25,000 portion of my test remain
strong and completely serviceable. And, by way of confirmation, I
replaced the old springs in the magazines that failed during the test
with new ones from Glock, and they, too, function perfectly.
I am especially impressed by the lack of apparent finish wear, even
after over 100,000 holster presentations. The gun looks exactly as it
did at 20,000! I've actually worn out several holsters, finally
selecting the M-D Labs "Thunderbolt" (which I co designed with M-D
honcho Kevin McClung) and matching mag carrier as the best. It's
super-fast, yet secure and highly concealable, and being made of Kydex,
it's by far the toughest rig now in existence.
The magazine well, although slightly scarred from in excess of 100,000
insertions, also remains entirely functional and looks much like it did
in the early stages of the test.
Internal parts, too, look the same. I just can't find any discernible
signs of deterioration. The piece shoots just as accurately as it did
before and functions flawlessly.
So, in conclusion, the Model 17 9mm continues to defy wear, tear,
corrosion and...well, me! I've thrown the whole book of tricks at this
gun and yet, as this is written, it continues in service. Obviously,
the Model 17 is a terrific handgun–– so terrific that I'd quite
willingly bet my life on this one, even after all it's been through.
What better recommendation can I give, eh?

Originally Posted By Sig_Fan:
Maybe a dumb idea, but could a blurb about converting Glocks to different calibers be listed? i.e., Lone wolf kits, AA conversions, etc.
I see a lot of redundant posts about converting say a G23 to shoot 9mm and whether the extractor should be replaced with the 9mm one etc.

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:


To just fire 9mm in your 23 all you need is an aftermarket conversion barrel and a Glock 19 magazine. If you want a full 9mm conversionyou also need a 9mm extractor/spring loaded bearing/triggermechanism housing/firing pin. To shoot .357SIG all you need is a factory model 32barrel/magazine follower (Stock .40 mags work fine however.) and you have a 100% factory model 32 with 23 markings. Reverse this if you're starting with a 32.
         

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:


To just fire 9mm in your 23 all you need is an aftermarket conversion barrel and a Glock 19 magazine. If you want a full 9mm conversionyou also need a 9mm extractor/spring loaded bearing/triggermechanism housing/firing pin. To shoot .357SIG all you need is a factory model 32barrel/magazine follower (Stock .40 mags work fine however.) and you have a 100% factory model 32 with 23 markings. Reverse this if you're starting with a 32.
         

Originally Posted By MattNificent:
your extractor pics are the same...

Originally Posted By KavonTN:
Possibly something about the difference between a two pin and three pin frame?

Originally Posted By k12lts:
Great reference thread.

Another vote to get it tacked.

Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES_45:

Tried messaging the MOD for the Glock forum no reply.

Originally Posted By Maynard:
I've contacted Staff about this thread and I'm seeing what I can do to get it tacked.

Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES_45:


Much appreciated maybe they need to add an MOD to our thread we should nominate someone.

If the thread gets tacked I will continue to add info.

Originally Posted By Unicorn:
Only a couple minor things to add for those that might be new to Glocks.

Glock stopped calling their "-" connector 3.5 pounds and started calling it 4.5 pounds as it actually is.  If you ever did the math to convert their numbers from metric it always came out to about 4.5lbs!
They also are harder to come by.  Glock's policy is to only sell them directly to law enforcement agencies that sign a liability waiver, and to those who need replacements for the ones in their competition guns like the 17L/24/34/35 and they want the old, damaged one back first.  You can't even order it using the order sheet you get when you attend an armorer's course.

The "C" on some models stands for compensated.  I've met people that didn't know what the C meant.

The Glock branded and labled night sights are warrenteed for 15 years and have the same Tennifer finish as the gun.  The Trijicons are only warrenteed for 10 years.

Originally Posted By Mountainmalitia:



Ok this is probably alot simpler than it seems but this section on trigger work is confusing.  What parts would i have to replace in order to get this 3.5# pull (Are these glock parts???) also what about travel reduction?

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:







All you need is a 3.5lb. connector for a lighter trigger pull (about 4.5lb.) For a true 3.5lb. pull you would need to install a lighter competition firing pin spring (not recommended for serious use.) To reduce over travel you can install a connector like the Ghost rocket that has a built in over travel stop.